My Somali female friend's 23&me results

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

They are from barawa, I don't think they know they night have hindi origins. Most barawanis claim they are originally arab Yemeni especially Reer Hatimi they claim they're hadramout in Yemen. When they go there though they are called Yaa Soomal and are not accepted

Well.... something isn't adding up. How does a group have noticeable Hindi DNA on average but they claim they don't know about it. I don't think they're telling the full story.
By the way, Hindis have a dhaqan where they deny their roots, they do it everywhere. They like to claim and assimilate into the country they live in.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Some Arabs are mixed with various groups of people though, especially the coastal Yemenis. It's not unusual for them to be mixed with Hindi, African and Indonesian due to trade but that doesn't make them any less Arab. Many or most of the Barawe clans trace their lineage back to Yemen.

My point is, if you know you are mixed with Arab, how come you don't know you are mixed with Hindi, especially when the DNA results show that your Hindi DNA is more than your Arab DNA. I don't believe these people, nope.

 

[CulturedKay]

Well.... something isn't adding up. How does a group have noticeable Hindi DNA on average but they claim they don't know about it. I don't think they're telling the full story.
By the way, Hindis have a dhaqan where they deny their roots, they do it everywhere. They like to claim and assimilate into the country they live in.

Tbh, barawanis have have been there for 100s of years. They've inter-mixed so much the only identity the know of is 'I am barawani'.

I've never heard any of them claim hindi, unless they had a recent mix like Grandma or great grandma etc.

It could be that they just don't know

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Tbh, barawanis have have been there for 100s of years. They've inter-mixed so much the only identity the know of is 'I am barawani'.

I've never heard any of them claim hindi, unless they had a recent mix like Grandma or great grandma etc.

It could be that they just don't know

I don't know sis, isn't 20% something like an a grandparent or something. Something in the water isn't clean, but whatever, their life.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

No. So Baraawa was originally a Tunni clan city. These clans amongst them arrived on boat. It would be disingenuous to say Tunnis aren't the original people of the land. But I assume you mean the 'non tunni' barawanis are different from Tunni - Yes.

Her mother is Full tunni Paternally, however her mother is from the other cad cad barawanis. Her mum looks very south east Asian, shes not light skin shes more maariin.

Before taking the results I told her I GUARANTEE you'll have more south east Asian in you than arab - as their fellow barawanis claim Yemeni, I knew they weren't going to get a high amount of arab. They just look more asian tbh.

I'm aware that baraawe was originally inhabited by the tunni but it's just that i've always made distinction between them as tunnis are ethnically somali. All the tunni that i've met weren't different than the regular somali laakin the non tunni barawani ones didn't look somali, you could tell they were mixed.

Barawaani is nothing but a confederation of many clans and Tunni is one of them

i always thought of them as 2 groups ruunti even hadeer can't see them as a confederation. It's like reer xamar forming a confederation with clans like gaaljecel etc

 

[CulturedKay]

I'm aware that baraawe was originally inhabited by the tunni but it's just that i've always made distinction between them as tunnis are ethnically somali. All the tunni that i've met weren't different than the regular somali laakin the non tunni barawani ones didn't look somali, you could tell they were mixed.


i always thought of them as 2 groups ruunti even hadeer can't see them as a confederation. It's like reer xamar forming a confederation with clans like gaaljecel etc

Ahh okay I get you. Some tunnis do look somali caadi, but her maternal Grandad is full tunni and he has barawani features.. I heard that Tunnis in the inner city barawa look barawani/cad cad but the ones in the outskirts look more Somali

 

[killerxsmoke]

Wait tunni and barwani arent the same people?

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

Wait tunni and barwani arent the same people?

The barwani are cad cad like the reer xamar but they are assosciated with the tunni clan.

 

[CulturedKay]

Tunnis are from amongst the various clans that make up Barawa. They have so many clans there.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

Ahh okay I get you. Some tunnis do look somali caadi, but her maternal Grandad is full tunni and he has barawani features.. I heard that Tunnis in the inner city barawa look barawani/cad cad but the ones in the outskirts look more Somali

The urban tunni look more cad cad because of intermariiage with the bravanese, but tunni in general who live in lower shabelle and middle juba look like other somali.

 

[Ragaasi]

Good eye @Sophisticate MaashaAllaah

@killerxsmoke ..

Her Mother: Barawani (Specifically Tunni clan)
Maternal Grandma: Barawani (Reer Biida)

Her father: Barawani (Reer mashaanga)
Paternal Grandma: Majeerteen.

Her paternal Grandad is also Half Shiikhaal, which makes her dad only 1/4 barawani tbh. He is more Majeerteen than he is Barawani but obviously everyone takes their father's lineage or qabiil.

He looks FULL somali and very dark skin. Her and her siblings look very somali with typical somali features except their nose is very straight pointy with a bone like Arabs/asians.

I think Barawani's have almost fully integrated into Somali DNA to the point where its safe to call them one icl.

One of my friends is also Barawani with a reer Mahad Majeerteen lol

 

[CulturedKay]

Her maternal haplogroup is L4A2... I haven't come across a somali with that yet.

 

[CulturedKay]

I think Barawani's have almost fully integrated into Somali DNA to the point where its safe to call them one icl.

One of my friends is also Barawani with a reer Mahad Majeerteen lol

Not all you'll be surprised, I can say though majority of them have tunni in them but not much. Some only marry their first cousins over and over again for generations.

 

[Prince of HS]

Baraawi cadcads have much more Hindu/south Asian DNA than Banadiri cadcads. That’s because baraawis are descendants of traders who settled in barawa coast

 

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

Yes I'm Karanle, I'm waiting for my results

I'm a female so I won't be able to see my Dad's haplogroup though

I'll @ you when I receive them inshallah x

Do karanle still speak af maxaa tiri in Babile or have you been fully assimilated?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Ahh okay I get you. Some tunnis do look somali caadi, but her maternal Grandad is full tunni and he has barawani features.. I heard that Tunnis in the inner city barawa look barawani/cad cad but the ones in the outskirts look more Somali

i think that explains it, in baraawe is it af tunni or swahili the main language spoken there ?

 

[Prince of HS]

i think that explains it, in baraawe is it af tunni or swahili the main language spoken there ?

Today tunni by far outnumber bravanese and are the majority in Barawe so id say Af tunni

 

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

Yes I'm Karanle, I'm waiting for my results

I'm a female so I won't be able to see my Dad's haplogroup though

I'll @ you when I receive them inshallah x

Its alright if y'all have lost your Somali language, as a pure hawiye, I and my qabil will cleanse the unclean galla dna from your blood and make Karanle once again speak af somaali. You will be pure and many again in sha Allah.

 

[The alchemist]

The barwani are cad cad like the reer xamar but they are assosciated with the tunni clan.

The late history accounts describe the Tunni of Barawe as the patrons of the Tunni Torre of the hinterland. And that the latter was a confederacy of various groups, a segment described as "negroes". Those were settled farmers, and they had a confederacy with the others that dealt with pastoralism or mixed form subsistence which fed into forms of trade and seasonal transhumance to the coast, where the settled Tunni lived.

Their tribal composition:

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

The late history accounts describe the Tunni of Barawe as the patrons of the Tunni Torre of the hinterland. And that the latter was a confederacy of various groups, a segment described as "negroes". Those were settled farmers, and they had a confederacy with the others that dealt with pastoralism or mixed form subsistence which fed into forms of trade and seasonal transhumance to the coast, where the settled Tunni lived.

Their tribal composition:

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Most tunni outside baraawe are not tunni torre and they can be found everywhere from the jubba river in gobweyn to merca. Tunni torre are the freedman of the tunni and they have theri own clans system with subclans known as Gameele, Kumma, Gacandheer, Miyir, Magentoola.

Also the tunni took in many shegats like the elay who are now part of the clan but they were once one related tribe who speak their own language, af tunni.