My Somali female friend's 23&me results

[Garaad diinle]

I wasn’t born in Africa but that’s where my parents and my forefathers from.
Ain’t harar in haraghe tho ?

Yeah but it also includes many other places. Hararghe is general term but it includes places such as mieso, babile and gursum. Hararghe further divides into west and east hararghe and harar as a city is but a small part of the whole. For example being from west hararghe is not the same as being from harar since harar is in east hararghe.

 

[CulturedKay]

Yeah but it also includes many other places. Hararghe is general term but it includes places such as mieso, babile and gursum. Hararghe further divides into west and east hararghe and harar as a city is but a small part of the whole. For example being from west hararghe is not the same as being from harar since harar is in east hararghe.

If you don't mind, where are you from and what clan are you?

 

[Garaad diinle]

If you don't mind, where are you from and what clan are you?

I'm a seconde or third generation hamar born that's all i'm willing to say. Frankly i don't like to speak about qabil stuff and it really doesn't matter since i have cousins from almost every qabil. I even have white cousins.

There were rumors that we might even have some indian genes in our family. I was once told that i'm an egyption muwalad. Someone from us did a dna test and al-hamdulillah we're somalis pure, plain and simple.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Today tunni by far outnumber bravanese and are the majority in Barawe so id say Af tunni

it's interesting to note that you also make the difference between the tunni & bravanese even though both reside in baraawe.

They

Speak chimini which is a a mix of broken swahili, somali and arabic. The rural Tunnis speak af tunni though. Also, the cad cad barawanis actually look down upon the Tunnis lol its mad. There is a hierarchy!

Do you think it also related why cad cad barawanis call themselves bravanese ? they had their own community centre in london that got burned in an arson attack a few years back.

 

[CulturedKay]

I'm a seconde or third generation hamar born that's all i'm willing to say. Frankly i don't like to speak about qabil stuff and it really doesn't matter since i have cousins from almost every qabil. I even have white cousins.

There were rumors that we might even have some indian genes in our family. I was once told that i'm an egyption muwalad. Someone from us did a dna test and al-hamdulillah we're somalis plain and simple.

Fair enough, did

it's interesting to note that you also make the difference between the tunni & bravanese even though both reside in baraawe.


Do you think it also related why cad cad barawanis call themselves bravanese ? they had their own community centre in london that got burned in an arson attack a few years back.

I'm not sure where the 'nese' bit comes from to be honest, I do know however they were not called barawa before the Italians came. The city was called 'Miini' hence the language 'Chimini'

When the Italians were in Somalia, they were impressed with their cuisine and different types of food thus referred to them as 'Barava' meaning well done or excellent in Italian.

Sp the language of the Italians perhaps influences the 'nese' in 'Baravanese'.

The whole Portuguese notion is absolutely false.

 

[Danakiil]

Whenever we see mixed-race Somali results, I notice Hindi DNA. It is so funny how these CadCad mixed groups seem to have noticeable Hindi DNA at the same level as Arab DNA, but never mention it. I am convinced that CadCads have exaggerated their Arab DNA and downplayed their Hindi roots, to get more respect from Somalis.

Some of the CadCad aren't lying about their origins. Shanshiyo claim decent from a man named Abubakar Qaffal al-Shashi who originated from Uzbekistan. The name Shanshi itself is the old name for the city of Tashkent before the Turkic Uzbeks conquered it from the old Iranian population living there.

 

[CulturedKay]

Well.... something isn't adding up. How does a group have noticeable Hindi DNA on average but they claim they don't know about it. I don't think they're telling the full story.
By the way, Hindis have a dhaqan where they deny their roots, they do it everywhere. They like to claim and assimilate into the country they live in.

Forgot to add, the barawani food cuisine resembles the South east asian food too! Their food is more asian than arab so it makes sense that they have more asian origins maybe.

 

[DubatDiaries]

Asalaamu alaikum guys,

So these are the results of my friend below:

What do you guys think?

I want to do this but I am not comfortable sending my dna data to a company. I'll just assume I'm 100% Somali. What you don't know, wont hurt you

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Fair enough, did

I'm not sure where the 'nese' bit comes from to be honest, I do know however they were not called barawa before the Italians came. The city was called 'Miini' hence the language 'Chimini'

When the Italians were in Somalia, they were impressed with their cuisine and different types of food thus referred to them as 'Barava' meaning well done or excellent in Italian.

Sp the language of the Italians perhaps influences the 'nese' in 'Baravanese'.

The whole Portuguese notion is absolutely false.

Sorry for the misunderstanding laakin i wasn't asking about where the name came from. I wanted to know if the usage of the name bravanese had any correlation to the hierarchy that you talked about, as it's only the cad cad ones that i've seen use it.

The name baraawe has been in use centuries earlier before the coming of the italians, in the 15th century the portuguese attacked & burned it to the ground at least once from what i recall. Brava is mentioned in the portuguese records from that time, so the name is just a rendition in their own language

 

[CulturedKay]

I want to do this but I am not comfortable sending my dna data to a company. I'll just assume I'm 100% Somali. What you don't know, wont hurt you

I felt the exact same! Don't trust anyone with my DNA, but got jealous of all my friends and colleagues who had it done over the past 2 years

Honestly i did opt out of every 'can we use your dna to expand our studies' rubbish though lol

 

[CulturedKay]

Sorry for the misunderstanding laakin i wasn't asking about where the name came from. I wanted to know if the usage of the name bravanese had any correlation to the hierarchy that you talked about, as it's only the cad cad ones that i've seen use it.

The name baraawe has been in use centuries earlier before the coming of the italians, in the 15th century the portuguese attacked & burned it to the ground at least once from what i recall. Brava is mentioned in the portuguese records from that time, so the name is just a rendition in their own language

Really?!? This is news to me, I was told this info buy a elder barawa uncle who is well learned and is well respected by the barawa community in the UK.

He said the city was always known as 'Miini'

 

[CulturedKay]

Sorry for the misunderstanding laakin i wasn't asking about where the name came from. I wanted to know if the usage of the name bravanese had any correlation to the hierarchy that you talked about, as it's only the cad cad ones that i've seen use it.

The name baraawe has been in use centuries earlier before the coming of the italians, in the 15th century the portuguese attacked & burned it to the ground at least once from what i recall. Brava is mentioned in the portuguese records from that time, so the name is just a rendition in their own language

I just did a bit of research and I suppose you're right actually.

 

[Angelina]

Not really, walaashay. I've been in this game for over a decade now and you don't usually see Yemenis with any Desi. Especially not in the amounts you'd need to make sense of Cadcads' Desi ancestry. They mostly just show madow ancestry and the rest looks almost identical to the usual Bedouin samples out there. Very different from what Cadcads show.

We also have censes for magaalo like Xamar and Marko from the 19th century that show there were about as many minority Indians as there were Arabs. Groups like Banyans were pretty dominant across the Indian Ocean trade and were found everywhere along the Somali and Arabian coasts, often edging out both Somalis and Arabs as sailors and traders. This is probably legit Hindi ancestry.

Interesting. This cadcad couple have significant Indian heritage:


Its surprising how cadcads have erased their Asian heritage. The couple had no idea that they had a lot of Indian blood.

My point is, if you know you are mixed with Arab, how come you don't know you are mixed with Hindi, especially when the DNA results show that your Hindi DNA is more than your Arab DNA. I don't believe these people, nope.

I’m beginning to think they’re ashamed of their Indian roots and simply conceal it from their children. How is it that you’re more Indian but you walk around thinking you’re more Arab?[

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[CulturedKay]

Interesting. This cadcad couple have significant Indian heritage:


Its surprising how cadcads have erased their Asian heritage. The couple had no idea that they had a lot of Indian blood.

I’m beginning to think they’re ashamed of their Indian roots and simply conceal it from their children. How is it that you’re more Indian but you walk around thinking you’re more Arab?[

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Nah, she did mention she had an indian great grandparent or something. I remember the wife saying it.

 

[JigjigaKismaayo]

Your friend's results indicate that she is recently mixed. Judging by the introgression of Niger-Congo, MENA and South Asian mixture. I guess she's part cad cad or from one of those southern-dwelling multi-ethnic groups.

hey professor, how did you get good at this? I tried to learn it couple times and gave up.

 

[convincation]

Yes I'm Karanle, I'm waiting for my results

I'm a female so I won't be able to see my Dad's haplogroup though

I'll @ you when I receive them inshallah x

@ me aswell

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Really?!? This is news to me, I was told this info buy a elder barawa uncle who is well learned and is well respected by the barawa community in the UK.

He said the city was always known as 'Miini'

I just did a bit of research and I suppose you're right actually.

dhiib male, the uncle is just passing on what he himself has been taught based on the available information that was accessible during those times. It's almost 4 centuries before the italians came so things change, people move about and new history is created.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

I want to do this but I am not comfortable sending my dna data to a company. I'll just assume I'm 100% Somali. What you don't know, wont hurt you

As a female you wouldn’t know what you’re according to dna since it changes every few grand parents. It would help if a male in your family took it though.

 

[Sophisticate]

hey professor, how did you get good at this? I tried to learn it couple times and gave up.

This is not my area of expertise. It's just easy to tell that this combination is normally a confluence of mixtures found in Southern Somalia. If they were a recently admixed outlier in Northern Somalia/Somaliland. we would likely have South Asian with an absence of Bantu/Niger-Congo or Yemeni without South Asian.

Cadcads and Barwanis have a unique mixture not found in other parts of Somalia. They have so many genetic inputs making them heterogeneous but because of their preponderance for first-cousin marriage more so than ethnic Somalis they increase their homozygosity/incidence of genetic disease(s).

 

[GemState]

Well.... something isn't adding up. How does a group have noticeable Hindi DNA on average but they claim they don't know about it. I don't think they're telling the full story.
By the way, Hindis have a dhaqan where they deny their roots, they do it everywhere. They like to claim and assimilate into the country they live in.

Hadramaut is more prestigious roots than a slum in Gujarat. That's why they don't claim it.

Tbh South Asia >>> Arabia, but thats just me