wallahi its over for alshaydaan
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Most clans that live in Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti all have Caqils they can go to verify and process their citizenship. How will the national ID system even bypass this process? Is this even a thing in Southern Somalia?I understand where you're coming from. But realistically speaking, they only way you can limit nationality is by prohibiting the people of Somalia to carry double-citizenship. That way you can easily regulate and control the subjects of Somalia. However, if you retain the option of allowing people to have another nationality, then it will be difficult to prevent neither Somalis of diaspora or Somalis of Kenya/Ethiopia/Djibouti to get IDs of Somalia.
Obviously, I personally don't agree we should implement limitations on any Somalis, but it the push comes to shove and the gov't decides to start regulate. Then they should only allow one nationality and do like Turkey and India, a 'diaspora residency/IDs' where Somalis outside of Somalia can through special ID documentations freely live in the country without any visa and treated as citizens and get all benefits except passports and thus no voting rights.
Most clans that live in Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti all have Caqils they can go to verify and process their citizenship. How will the national ID system even bypass this process? Is this even a thing in Southern Somalia?
Then what's with the premature celebrations kkkk. Shouldn't all this be addressed at the point of announcement?Tbh, I don't have deep knowledge of southern affairs. Just implementing any form of IDs seem to be an achievement in itself from the gov't point of view for now, let alone trying to implement it. I think they may address these issues as they come.
Then what's with the premature celebrations kkkk. Shouldn't all this be addressed at the point of announcement?
It's like a stone foundation ceremony for a project without ready made plans and later on not following through with it because it's not feasible.
6 months to realise someone lied about their name. I’m sure there’s worse examples too. We’re 100 years behind some countriesIn March 2021 security forces in Mogadishu arrested a man suspected of Al-Shabab membership. He denied links with the militant group, and gave a fake name. It took six months just to identify him. Authorities acting on a top finally went to a rehab Center where he falsely told he defected only to get released and continue killing, Officials said.
Somalia did not have a central national database and identification system where security forces can check against the veracity of information suspects or anyone else gives.
The man who gave the fake name was indeed the same man convicted, in absentie for the twin explosions on Badar restaurant and Bilan hotel in Baidoa on October 13, 2018, which claimed the lives of 21 people and injured 40 others. voanews.com/a/two-blasts-i…
He realized the government did not have biometric data of him, so he just went to reside another town, and continued to work with al-Shabaab. He is now serving life imprisonment.
Justice officials said al-Shabab members lie about their identities, and lack of identifying and registration system is hampering delivery of justice and catching criminals.
On July 24, 2019, the late Mayor of Mogadishu Abdirahman Omar Osman was fatally injured in a suicide bombing by one of the regional officials working with him, a blind woman who for years used a fake name. A second woman who assisted her in the attack also used a fake name, and she remains at large.
Lack of identification system is also helping al-Shabab carry out IED attacks. Al-Shabab uses SIM cards and mobile phones for detonating some IEDs.
The United Nations Assistance Mission in Somalia (UNSOM) and the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) published a report which documented the death of 309 people and injuries of 556 others, all of them civilians, resulting from109 IED attacks, from January 2020 to 31 December 2021. unsom.unmissions.org/sites/default/…
These include vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices (VBIED), suicide attacks using both vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices (SVBIED) and person-borne improvised explosive devices (PBIED), and victim-operated improvised explosive devices (VOIED), the report said.
The UN report did not specify which IED attacks Al-Shabab SIM cards and mobile phones for detonation. But police in Somalia said Al-Shabab uses the technique freely because security agencies cannot trace the identity of people who are obtaining SIM cards from telecommunication companies. Al-Shabab has back up system to remotely detonate devices if other techniques malfunction, and this often involves mobile phones, says a police officer who studied al-Shabab IED attacks but asked not to be identified. Telecommunication companies said they do register SIM cards but have no means of verifying a person’s identity in the absence of a national identification system.
In 2020, the Somali government approved the National Identification and Registration Authority Establishment Law, which led to the creation of the Population Identification and Registration Authority.
Mukhtar Hussein Mohamed Qoransay, who was then the Director General of the Population Identification and Registration Authority told me that the identification system is important for the government in order to secure the security, find criminals, and identify terrorists as well as providing services, for internal revenue purposes and taxation collection.
Colonel Hassan Ali Nur Shute, chief of the military courts told me at the time that it is imperative to have information other than the one provided by the suspected person in order to verify identity and information given.
Very good to hear.@Arkan all that is being addressed over this two day conference. But it’s hours long and many experts were asking questions haven’t got time to watch it beyond the political speech
Even behind us iyo jeegaan in term of goverment activites, waay back in 2000s we implemented ID .6 months to realise someone lied about their name. I’m sure there’s worse examples too. We’re 100 years behind some countries
You cannot compare your ID to the somali governments, yours is like the provisional licenseEven behind us iyo jeegaan in term of goverment activites, waay back in 2000s we implemented ID .
HAG from day one they were against Federalism. They want kacaan era to return back, it seems they didnt learn from history.Issuing IDs is a State Exclusive power, and the federal government has no constitutional nor legal standing to meddle in State affairs. If the Fed. gov't succeeds in overstretching its authority in this regard, which I consider a litmus test, then it shall be the end of Federalism.
Do the opposite of what they say, they want to make us debt slaves.World Bank manager delivered message saying she wants Somalia to have a national ID by the end of her term and is what she has been pushing for most
UN representative for Somalia describes today as a monumental moment for Somalia