National ID launched. Live conference with the Prime Minister

[killerxsmoke]

Hamze is doing amazing job,this means Somalis will use to this card for services like healthcare,banking,education & many more…A huge milestone

This National id is Hsm idea, my guy

 

[killerxsmoke]

I totally agree with the fact that reer NFD and DDS shouldn't have access to the ids nor citizenship. They may share the Somali erhncitiy but they are not somali by nationality.

If they want to gain they should be asked to live in Somalia for 10 years and denounce any Kenyan or Ethiopian citizenship they have. They shouldn't be allowed to have Somali citizenships and Kenyan/Ethiopian citizenship at the same time.

Especially NFD they r cancer

 

[bidenkulaha]

This National id is Hsm idea, my guy

It’s Fiqi’s work sxb. Governo Sacad init

 

[killerxsmoke]

It’s Fiqi’s work sxb. Governo Sacad init

oh fr


what's his full name

 

[mohamedismail]

In that case, diaspora Somalis should also have to renounce their citizenship. Plenty of your politicians have *voluntarily* pledged allegiance to foreign countries while supposedly 'serving' the interests of Somalia, lol. And what problems are we bringing to Somalia?

Also, how are you supposed to deal with border clans that live on both sides. Especially those without a permanent resident and move freely as there aren't a border that separates them in practice. We're talking about million of Somalis. You do know that Ethiopia and Somalia don't have demarcations of borders, with the exception of an 'administrative border'?

Even politicians. Farmaajo renounced his American citizenship when becoming president.

As for border clans they can take the id and citizenship of the country they spend more time in. Mostly lt will be Somalia. Doesn't mean they won't be able to move freely between countries just that they will have to pick citizenship to either one.

Citizenship/ID and freedom of movement aren't the same. Somalis can come in and out of Somalia freely if they live on the border but they won't have access to voting rights and other rights Somali nationals will have.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Even politicians. Farmaajo renounced his American citizenship when becoming president.

As for border clans they can take the id and citizenship of the country they spend more time in. Mostly lt will be Somalia. Doesn't mean they won't be able to move freely between countries just that they will have to pick citizenship to either one.

Citizenship/ID and freedom of movement aren't the same. Somalis can come in and out of Somalia freely if they live on the border but they won't have access to voting rights and other rights Somali nationals will have.

Most politicians from diaspora have retained their foreign citizenships and no one have any interest in legally changing it anytime soon. It's true that Farmaajo has given up his US nationality, but it happened during his presidency as it is was not a requirement by law to do so, rather by his own will.

I know that citizenship and freedom of movement ain't the same things, but fact of the matter is that it will be hard to implement it in practice. First of all, these border clans will surely object on such a measure. Secondly, quite a few of these people already have/had Somali identifications. In Ethiopia, plenty of Somalis settled in Somalia post-77 who have now moved back. Even prior to the war up until recently, it was difficult for natives Somalis there to get ID documentations due to obstacles from the authorities. As a result, some of them opted for citizenship from Somalia. You surely can't force these Somalis to give up on their Somali nationality kkk.

With that said, our neighboring countries have a hard controlling citizenships. What makes you think that Somalia will be able enact their nationality laws? Also, as long as Somalia remains the 'nation of Somali people' as enshrined in the constitution, nothing will change.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Personally I think people from Djibouti, Galbeed and NFD should not be allowed to get a Somali identification. These people are happy living under gumeysi, xasuuq and etc. Now that Somalia is developing they want to jump into the boat.

keep that same energy for your uber driving adeer on cayr who wants to return for somali poltics

 

[mohamedismail]

Most politicians from diaspora have retained their foreign citizenships and no one have any interest in changing it anytime soon. It's true that Farmaajo has given up his US nationality, but it happened during his presidency as it is was not a requirement by law to do so, rather by his own will.

I know that citizenship and freedom of movement ain't the same things, but fact of the matter is that it will be hard to implement it in practice. First of all, these border clans will surely object on such a measure. Secondly, quite a few of these people already have/had Somali identifications. In Ethiopia, plenty of Somalis settled in Somalia post-77 who have now moved back. Even prior to the war up until recently, it was difficult for natives Somalis there to get ID documentations due to obstacles from the authorities and some of them opted for citizenship from Somalia. You surely can't force these Somalis to give up to on their Somali nationality kkk.

With that said, our neighboring countries have a hard to controlling citizenships. What makes you think that Somalia will be able enact their nationality laws? Also, as long as Somalia remains the 'nation of Somali people' as enshrined in the constitution, nothing will change.

I personally don't have a problem with Ethiopian/Kenyan somalis settling in Somalia. They can settle as they are Somali people. But the issue there needs to be laws limiting how long you have to live in Somalia before gaining citizenship.

 

[FBIsomalia]

My national ID is Puntland ID. You can keep yours southie.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

For all intents and purposes, it is an ID for Xamar residents. Fed. Member States have their own IDs. PL implemented State ID back in 2010.

 

[killerxsmoke]

My national ID is Puntland ID. You can keep yours southie.

that's just a piece of scrap that has zero benefits

 

[FBIsomalia]

For all intents and purposes, it is an ID for Xamar residents. Fed. Member States have their own IDs. PL implemented State IDs back in 2010.

Those south Somalia full back in many aspects. Somalia zoo.

 

[FBIsomalia]

that's just a piece of scrap that has zero benefits

Exactly!!. Xamar ID its piece of crap. No one will use it beside southies.

 

[bidenkulaha]

For all intents and purposes, it is an ID for Xamar residents. Fed. Member States have their own IDs. PL implemented State IDs back in 2010.

It’s actually an ID for federal services. In future you’ll need it for a bank account, SIM card and any government services like getting a passport, voting etc

 

[GaradShabeel]

I personally don't have a problem with Ethiopian/Kenyan somalis settling in Somalia. They can settle as they are Somali people. But the issue there needs to be laws limiting how long you have to live in Somalia before gaining citizenship.

I understand where you're coming from. But realistically speaking, they only way you can limit nationality is by prohibiting the people of Somalia to carry double-citizenship. That way you can easily regulate and control the subjects of Somalia. However, if you retain the option of allowing people to have another nationality, then it will be difficult to prevent neither Somalis of diaspora or Somalis of Kenya/Ethiopia/Djibouti to get IDs of Somalia.

Obviously, I personally don't agree we should implement limitations on any Somalis, but it the push comes to shove and the gov't decides to start regulate. Then they should only allow one nationality and do like Turkey and India, a 'diaspora residency/IDs' where Somalis outside of Somalia can through special ID documentations freely live in the country without any visa and treated as citizens and get all benefits except passports and thus no voting rights.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Exactly!!. Xamar ID its piece of crap. No one will use it beside southies.

70% of the country is in the South anyway

 

[killerxsmoke]

Exactly!!. Xamar ID its piece of crap. No one will use it beside southies.

am taking about yours LoL

 

[FBIsomalia]

70% of the country is in the South anyway

Change name to South Somalia too .

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

It’s actually an ID for federal services. In future you’ll need it for a bank account, SIM card and any government services like getting a passport, voting etc

if one resides in Xamar. People now use their State IDs to apply for a passport, get SIM etc in Garowe, or in any other city in PL. Same shall apply to other States when they get there.

State IDs were used to vote in the recent Local district elections in PL.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Change name to South Somalia too .

No we’ll keep the Somalia name for all the benefits we get from IC and UN.

You can call yourselves Butland tho lol