NCC Announces 1 Man 1 Vote And Extensions For FMS Presidents

[Somali Saayid]

Mogadishu and Kismayo.

I think Jubbaland can argue they were a separate political entity in the short lived Italian Jubba Colony before being merged with Italian Somalia. Or even argue to secede and rejoin Kenya as they one were as part of British East Africa although the latter has a 0% of happening.

 

[MuseGuud]

Stop trying to copy Somaliland. You are federal state of Somalia, thats the deal you signed up for but you don't want to play your position.

You are part of Somalia, Landers shot themselves in the foot when Silaanyo agreed to sit down with the FGS in 2012. SL had a chance from 1991 - 2012 when Somalia didn't exist.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You are part of Somalia, Landers shot themselves in the foot when Silaanyo agreed to sit down with the FGS in 2012. SL had a chance from 1991 - 2012 when Somalia didn't exist.

Put Somaliland down. Look at your own situation which you all signed up for and even tried to drag Somaliland into, you think you can run from it now? Lol.

 

[TheLand]

You are part of Somalia, Landers shot themselves in the foot when Silaanyo agreed to sit down with the FGS in 2012. SL had a chance from 1991 - 2012 when Somalia didn't exist.

You could argue they are more represented than PL since that Saalax guy signed the paper yesterday and Xaashi is on board

 

[MuseGuud]

Put Somaliland down. Look at your own situation which you all signed up for and even tried to drag Somaliland into, you think you can run from it now? Lol.

Why do you keep commenting on Somalia if you're not part of it ?? loool

 

[Aiman12]

Hopefully the beginning of a civil war.

who hurt you?

 

[TheLand]

Why do you keep commenting on Somalia if you're not part of it ?? loool

Typical xaasidnimo they are know for

who hurt you?

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Why do you keep commenting on Somalia if you're not part of it ?? loool

who hurt you?

You still deflecting.

You guys created the federal system you are now running from. Anytime you get a problem it's like what about Somaliland, that ain't our business. We are not recognized yet as seperate from Somalia but we are not in anyway part of it's system.

Mother of Federalism is abandoning the ship.

Just laughing at your hypocrisy.

 

[MuseGuud]

You still deflecting.

You guys created the federal system you are now running from. Anytime you get a problem it's like what about Somaliland, that ain't our business. We are not recognized yet as seperate from Somalia but we are not in anyway part of it's system.

Mother of Federalism is abandoning the ship.

Just laughing at your hypocrisy.

The mother of Federalism deserves it, PL shot themselves in the foot. They chose to legitimize sitting with Paper states like Hirshabelle and Southwest instead of directly negotiating with the FGS. Regardless of PL's failures HSM's unilateral constitutional changes are illegal. The SFG and parliament/courts/agreement or any law they pass has no federal legality since it wasn't ratified by any regional parliament which is the constitutional process for all federal laws. I for one was and still against the Federal system. I preferred a 1 country 2 systems options like Hongkong(PL in this case) and a strong central government for the rest that's why I support HSM's loo joojin maayo movement, It'll end up forcing PL to jump ship.

As for @Itsnotthateasy SL is propped up by the same federal government he's clowning. It was HSM that gave
a north-south confederacy option to SL in Djibouti beginning of 2024 after they lost 80% of their so called army to SSC militia. They refused and proceeded with the abysmal failure that is the MOU. That's why he spends most of times opening threads about Xamar & PL. As far as International community you are still part of the system considering SL had MPs & Ministers in the SFG. The same UN representative that sits with Xasan sits with Muse Bihi as well.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

The mother of Federalism deserves it, PL shot themselves in the foot. They chose to legitimize sitting with Paper states like Hirshabelle and Southwest instead of directly negotiating with the FGS. Regardless of PL's failures HSM's unilateral constitutional changes are illegal. The SFG and parliament/courts/agreement or any law they pass has no federal legality since it wasn't ratified by any regional parliament which is the constitutional process for all federal laws. I for one was and still against the Federal system. I preferred a 1 country 2 systems options like Hongkong(PL in this case) and a strong central government for the rest that's why I support HSM's loo joojin maayo movement, It'll end up forcing PL to jump ship.

As for @Itsnotthateasy SL is propped up by the same federal government he's clowning. It was HSM that gave
a north-south confederacy option to SL in Djibouti beginning of 2024 after they lost 80% of their so called army to SSC militia. They refused and proceeded with the abysmal failure that is the MOU. That's why he spends most of times opening threads about Xamar & PL. As far as International community you are still part of the system considering SL had MPs & Ministers in the SFG. The same UN representative that sits with Xasan sits with Muse Bihi as well.

You saying like a hundred different things but at least you admit that federalism has failed in Somalia and now you just complicated anything you want to do next by starting the whole mess. And trying to stunt Somaliland all this time has also been a waste of time.

 

[MuseGuud]

You saying like a hundred different things but at least you admit that federalism has failed in Somalia and now you just complicated anything you want to do next by starting the whole mess. And trying to stunt Somaliland all this time has also been a waste of time.

PL created a system for all of Somalia but it can't force everyone to use that system. Multiple governments have tried to destroy the Federal system and they pretty much failed. However, you failed at creating a system for Isaaq, Harti waqooyi and Samaroon. We're simply not in the same league. You're whole secession is based you not being able to compete politically with Darood and Hawiye. Isaaq knows they'll always be a third wheel so they chose to create SL to dominate other clans around them.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

PL created a system for all of Somalia but it can't force everyone to use that system. Multiple governments have tried to destroy the Federal system and they pretty much failed. However, you failed at creating a system for Isaaq, Harti waqooyi and Samaroon. We're simply not in the same league. You're whole secession is based you not being able to compete politically with Darood and Hawiye. Isaaq knows they'll always be a third wheel so they chose to create SL to dominate other clans around them.

Federalism was a reaction to the capture of the capital and an attempt to covert the weakness, which is that darood populations are spread out into an upside of voting power based on region and to increase your influence that way but it's failed miserably and actually set you back, especially those trying to turn Puntland First. Should have never gone to Xamar.

Isaaq have no interests in poltiics in Somalia. We rebelled and toppled the state because we are naturally politically opposed to repression and other forms of menace you guys attempt to operate in and often fail miserably at. Federalism can't work with those people ever neither can actual democracy.

 

[MuseGuud]

Federalism was a reaction to the capture of the capital and an attempt to covert the weakness, which is that darood populations are spread out into an upside of voting power based on region and to increase your influence that way but it's failed miserably and actually set you back, especially those trying to turn Puntland First. Should have never gone to Xamar.

Isaaq have no interests in poltiics in Somalia. We rebelled and toppled the state because we are naturally politically opposed to repression and other forms of menace you guys attempt to operate in and often fail miserably at. Federalism can't work with those people ever neither can actual democracy.

We've had two Darood Presidents post 2000 so it's not really about fear, Federalism was meant to address clans being distrustful of each other. A lot of people including me disagreed with PL going to Xamar but the IC only recognizes Xamar that's why SL hasn't been recognized yet even though Somalia is dump.

You're right about Democracy not working in the south there's too many clans it's only works in SL because the majority are Isaaq. problem is, no one besides Isaaqs are actually believe in the SL project.

I understand why Isaaq left Somalia, they essentially became the third wheel, They really got nothing power-wise for joining Somalia nor did they have any deal signed with Italian Somaliland for power sharing. By 1961 Isaaq were unhappy and wanted to leave.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

We've had two Darood Presidents post 2000 so it's not really about fear, Federalism was meant to address clans being distrustful of each other. A lot of people including me disagreed with PL going to Xamar but the IC only recognizes Xamar that's why SL hasn't been recognized yet even though Somalia is dump.

You're right about Democracy not working in the south there's too many clans it's only works in SL because the majority are Isaaq. problem is, no one besides Isaaqs are actually believe in the SL project.

I understand why Isaaq left Somalia, they essentially became the third wheel, They really got nothing power-wise for joining Somalia nor did they have any deal signed with Italian Somaliland for power sharing. By 1961 Isaaq were unhappy and wanted to leave.

Your version of federalism, any version that you could tolerate or sell to others is dead and gone, never to be seen again. The rest will finish when the Africans go. We don't want power in Somalia, we want Somaliland. Somaliland is a great country. Somalia will never be like Somaliland.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

In my opinion, voting is the last thing somalia needs

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

PL created a system for all of Somalia but it can't force everyone to use that system. Multiple governments have tried to destroy the Federal system and they pretty much failed. However, you failed at creating a system for Isaaq, Harti waqooyi and Samaroon. We're simply not in the same league. You're whole secession is based you not being able to compete politically with Darood and Hawiye. Isaaq knows they'll always be a third wheel so they chose to create SL to dominate other clans around them.

yeah the federal system has utterly failed, the states are way to massive each one needs to be split into 3 units each. Or problems like this will always come up. all out of a lack of a strong central government leader thats competent. But no lets focus on doing 1 man 1 vote for a country as dire as somalia. Why are we focused on this? 1 man 1 vote is going to be even more of a clownshow then whatever tent they were holding the elections in last time.

PL created a system lol aka invaded with ethiopia to created a failed classic african democracy approved by the west. Is there even a way out of this? Why is everyone even knocking on jubaland too

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

We've had two Darood Presidents post 2000 so it's not really about fear, Federalism was meant to address clans being distrustful of each other. A lot of people including me disagreed with PL going to Xamar but the IC only recognizes Xamar that's why SL hasn't been recognized yet even though Somalia is dump.

You're right about Democracy not working in the south there's too many clans it's only works in SL because the majority are Isaaq. problem is, no one besides Isaaqs are actually believe in the SL project.

I understand why Isaaq left Somalia, they essentially became the third wheel, They really got nothing power-wise for joining Somalia nor did they have any deal signed with Italian Somaliland for power sharing. By 1961 Isaaq were unhappy and wanted to leave.

No no no youre getting it all wrong, they joined somalia to form a greater somali state. Youre looking at in a turbo qabilistic view. Everythign with you guys is motivated by qabil, you guys are the reason why somalia is ailing
Somaliland dosent even have a proper democracy and their losing all the legitmacy they once had. If somalia is a dump, then somaliland puntland all somalis are dump.

 

[MuseGuud]

yeah the federal system has utterly failed, the states are way to massive each one needs to be split into 3 units each. Or problems like this will always come up. all out of a lack of a strong central government leader thats competent. But no lets focus on doing 1 man 1 vote for a country as dire as somalia. Why are we focused on this? 1 man 1 vote is going to be even more of a clownshow then whatever tent they were holding the elections in last time.

PL created a system lol aka invaded with ethiopia to created a failed classic african democracy approved by the west. Is there even a way out of this? Why is everyone even knocking on jubaland too

Federalism never had a chance from the get go. The Federal government refuses to abide and Large swaths of land, even a whole region like middle jubba is controlled by Alshabaab. Somali people don't seem to want any form of governance. Somalia had a unitary government from 2000 to 2004 and nothing got fixed.

Your version of federalism, any version that you could tolerate or sell to others is dead and gone, never to be seen again. The rest will finish when the Africans go. We don't want power in Somalia, we want Somaliland. Somaliland is a great country. Somalia will never be like Somaliland.

Somalis have a failed state and want to create another country. Cadaans don’t care about the difference between SL or Somalia, what they see is that Somalis destroyed their country and want to make another one.

 

[MuseGuud]

Please listen to somebody who's actually worked in Villa Somalia explain the process to finish the constitution and democratic elections in Somalia which every president is avoiding.
There's a lot twitter spaces which hold informative political discussions.

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[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Federalism never had a chance from the get go. The Federal government refuses to abide and Large swaths of land, even a whole region like middle jubba is controlled by Alshabaab. Somali people don't seem to want any form of governance. Somalia had a unitary government from 2000 to 2004 and nothing got fixed.


Somalis have a failed state and want to create another country. Cadaans don’t care about the difference between SL or Somalia, what they see is that Somalis destroyed their country and want to make another one.

The unitary government in that time period was the best we had, the best solution for somalis is a unitary government with a lot of minor states who can rule over their local jurisdicition with central orders taking priority. it can balance out the two forces.

Woah woah woah by unitary government ur talking about the ICU right? loads of things got fixed I mean there was a massive pause in the civil war until AY + ethiopia + usa came along, usa's involved because of the recent concerns they had at the time revolving islam. Ethiopia? they just wanted more chaos in somalia. AY was motivated by qabil. Sad sad sad

There needs to be a leader that turns this entire unfixable system on its back and starts all over again. Its an unescapable paradox no matter what leader takes charge