Bro why you lying we both know it’s a Somalilander no Oromo is involved they just bringing us up as usual nothing else
Oromos Are Organizing and Uniting At A Rapid Rate. The REAL Danger for ALL SOMALIS
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Some of you sound like white supremacist who fear "white replacement", I support helping somali who have to endur agressions on the border like the geri kombe and others, but I doubt poor oromo refugees are a fifth column tryring to take over somalia, this is just a far fetched conspiracy theory.
Assimilating Oromos where? last time I remember oromos assimilating Somaliswe’ve been conquering and assimilating oromos for a long time,the only problem is ogaden basin now has an amhara lackey running things,as long as he is around oromos will get more confident
My thoughts exactly.
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GaradShabeel
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I'll never understand how some people (including Somalis) will try to gaslight and minimize the reality on the ground and past/historical occurrences, both intentionally and unintentionally. Most of the time, it's always someone not from the region, and if they are, not from the border areas, mostly affected.
You touched on an important the topic of strong institutions, which we lack. The problem with the ethnic federalism created in the 90s, was that it didn't make these newly created region, where every ethnic group lived, permanent. At the time DDS and even Jigjiga was neglected and underdeveloped, and had fewer non-Somalis. Since then, especially the last 20 years, it has undergone major development. And thereby lots of Ethiopians settling there from other regions. Now to the constitution, if now a region want to break-up/join another state they can chose so. Even in areas, where most of the population being recent settlements and the natives become minority (hypothetically speaking, not forecasting anything specific here). Which is where the main problem is right now, without a clause in the constitution.
Last consensus from the turn of the century, based on Ethiopian CSA, Somalis were 60% and Oromos/Amharas 30% in Jigjiga city. If in a near future Somalis becomes minority, they can legally try to split from the Somali state. (Not saying that is their intentions or scaremongering, just pointing out flaws in the constitution, especially as Jigjiga in this case is close to the border too). Don't know how accurate these figures are, but lately there has been a large wave of Highlanders moving here, mostly Amharas, through coordinations with DDS state officials. As if it's intentional and it's no secret to all inhabitants here. Even the opposition called out the DDS authorities. The demographic numbers of foreigners are much higher today. Which most other Ethiopian regions, don't allow this type/way of settlements, except us.
Look at Dire Dawa today, where the region is said to have "25%" Somalis, even though that figures was much higher not too long ago. But due to recent historical event, it has gone down much, especially after the war, through displacement, forced relocation of Somalis. And the settlement of other Ethiopians there Amharas/Oromos, both voluntarily and with state involvement. Mainly in the city, but the country side/Dire Dawa region still has mostly Somali inhabitants. Despite this, today it's a disputed area. And there are attempts to incorporate into Oromia. The same might happens to Jigjiga/Fafan region soon, if continued in the same direction as today, and other regions.
Being sceptical is therefore not illogical, coupled with historical movements/changes in the region. This has nothing to do with hating or creating animosity with Oromos, Amharas, Afars etc. on an individual level, as most of them are nice people, just trying to live and make end meets. But being rational and wanting to create a system, so we can live together without recent migration having to dictate the future of a region, that has been historical home to a certain people. In DDS. Today we have fightings, even areas where Somalis are majority in north, taken over by Afar militias. We also share most of our borders with Oromos. Border area communities shares this sentiments. Unfortunately this will continue, until a sustainable solution, satisfying all people involved are achieved.
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If you’re paying, I’m willing to take that vacation.
So when are you dropping me in Hargeisa?
Oromos are used as shaqalaos and security all the somali owned estate has oromo workers they know their place,and know any steps out of line but they have realized the cagjaar has not dheeq so they get ballsy
Oromos are somalis but with omotic dna
GaradShabeel
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If you’re paying, I’m willing to take that vacation.
So when are you dropping me in Hargeisa?
You seem to only want a dose of the Oromo experience, I see
This isn’t true
Its physically visible and you can check online,oromos have a significant amount of omotic admixture,its usually how i always tell somalis and oromos apart
You seem to only want a dose of the Oromo experience, I see
Odds are you go to Oromia and you just see a bunch of ppl chilling doing nothing to no one.
Somalis as usual love yelling about the bad 1%.
Reminds me is cadaans that scream about every Muslim being a terrorist hellbent on destroying the West. Yawn.
He said oromos are Somalis with omotic dna i said that’s not true and yes I know we have omotic dna
GaradShabeel
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Not a valid comparison, in my opinion. But, you're right in most of Oromos don't care or even thinks about this, as I mentioned above and I know plenty of them irl, even in Ethiopia. But as @Xoriyo said, most of these problems can be solved with strong institutions, which we lack. Which then leads to opening pandora's box here. For example something you can't do in the west, is that you can't expand with force. Which you can here, despite agreements in place beforehand, even without much contempt or reaction from the the regime. Look at Sitti region, after Afar (militias) were done fighting in Tigray, they had weapons not available earlier and managed to get hold of the 100% Somali inhabited cities of Garba-Issa, Cadeyti, Candufo, very quickly.
So, the (bigger) issue here in my eyes, are not Oromo people or any other ethnicity for that matter, regardless of them immigrating or not. But any ("forreign") state/gov'ts involvement in a scenario without proper institutions; when you have a fed gov't and regional gov'ts, meddling into neighbouring state's affairs based on their aspirations, that's what makes it worse! And where most problems are created. So, it's not a bad 1% here. You also may be from Somalia, so you may not be noticing these continuous events. But in DDS, it's well know here, what the intents are. Even the regime party PP (Abiy/Cajar) are vocal about how the ethnic federalism should be abolished. And you then see changes on the ground. This in turn exacerbates local people's sentiments even further and confirms your worries. In the end, the problem is not and should not be placed on individual level, regardless of ethnicities, as they rarely can make any difference. But these issues sadly remains, nevertheless.
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You highlight the problem here, lack of institutions. This wouldn’t be a problem if there were strong institutions.
Yet Somalis spend more time talking about madoows, carabs and Oromos than they do about the plight of Somalia.
You’re trying to deal with the symptoms and not the problem. If these people spent the same energy on fixing Somalia as they did on focusing on other ethnicities, this problem wouldn’t exist.
You wouldn’t have Oromos pitting Somali clans against each other if qabyalaad didn’t exist, but guess what? Qabyaalad gets worse every year.
GaradShabeel
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I concur with you on some of the points you brought forward.
First of all, we are too divided to even come together. Even in DDS, which is a diverse place of all major clans. Despite us not having the same history (having fought each other) like in Somalia/SL, unfortunately qabyaalad plays a major role and divides us further. It's so sad, even when these fightings are happening with Oromos and Afars, people look at it from a clan POV and sometimes because of it disregards or downplay it, to certain extent, as it has little to do with them. You even have clans that believe that they are better off with other regions/ethnicities, than with us.
Which is also the reason why the Somali region never had a leader, chosen by its people. Something that would be impossible in neighbouring regions. Thanks in large, to their systems (even informal ones), that prevents what's happening in DDS. The reality is even more bleak looking at Somalia, where we are fully responsible for the way it has turned out today.
However, we can also not disregard things that causes more issues, as in this case. By powerful actors. We have fought against the Ethiopian state for so long, so what speak for that things will change now, through peaceful means and that they want us prosperity all of a sudden (?) Regardless, there are always going to be people with "sinister" intentions in the background, driving these major changes, on a local level, that in turn gets bigger.
Nonetheless, until we together build a future collectively representing the will of the people, we will unfortunately be taken advantage of. Even innocent people with no ill intents, will cause more uproar than the failure of our leaders, not to mention the inadequacy on the part of the civil society too. However, unless the role of qabyaalad diminishes, we will be at a stalemate, until further notice, with no end in sight.
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Somalispot's resident supreme advocate for ajanabis has shown up.
It's always the fault of Somalis. No word about Oromos leaving their lands instead of fixing it and allowing themselves to be ruled over by Habeshas whom they outnumber for centuries. Nooo...how dare Somalis complain about Oromos entering our lands illegally.
Ignores the fact that border control, unregulated foreign cheap labour etc are all legitimate concerns for any country and part of the "plight of Somalia". The deportations of Oromos from Somalia and Djibouti which I have personally witnessed clearly shows that we're not just talking.
I'm convinced that if Dajal was to show up tomorrow and Somalis were to resist him, you would probably call us racist/xenophobic and tell us to stop talking badly about him.
Burundi boys stay sweet in your landsThis sounds like a somaliland/puntland/ogadenia problem
Shit like that could never fly in the south
And thank god for that
These ppl only want dhib iyo buuq. 100% the most problematic ethnicity in all of the horn, and thats saying something.
Lol they seek refuge in our land while they have the best soil quality in all of east africa?
These folks are bastards, they ate a child in Burco, some join terrorist organization, they beg on the streets of bosaso.
love them or hate them, kablalah especially Og's saw an opportunity and took it when they expanded into NFD/Jubbooyinka. Back when it was Xalaal to do so since they were Gaal madow.
These lot need to be deported back to wherever they came from.
Oromo are way more of a disfunctional ethnicity then somalis even though they are a whole ass confederation forget ethnicity.
Lol they seek refuge in our land while they have the best soil quality in all of east africa?
These folks are bastards, they ate a child in Burco, some join terrorist organization, they beg on the streets of bosaso.
love them or hate them, kablalah especially Og's saw an opportunity and took it when they expanded into NFD/Jubbooyinka. Back when it was Xalaal to do so since they were Gaal madow.
These lot need to be deported back to wherever they came from.
Oromo are way more of a disfunctional ethnicity then somalis even though they are a whole ass confederation forget ethnicity.
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