Puntland statement on the process of Federalization in Somalia

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

The federal budget is 900 million and by the looks of it PL doesn't want to be part of a federal country. FGS should freeze PL side of the money or make it difficult for them to get it.

The points PL disagrees on are non negotiable. PL should go ahead and declare independence already.

I challenge you to read the document, and formulate a rational response. Unless you could, and till you have done so, you are excused.

 

[Hamzarashid]

Mashallah, this is great news for Ethiopia, Kenya and eritrea. As power dynamics have already shifted in the Horn of Africa in the past 40 years, now Somalia is in a dire situation where its location is the biggest detriment to itself. Why do I say that is, as countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia are salivating right now to have what Somalia has . When you have a neighboring country that is more powerful than the other, it's the norm throughout history that the powerful will conquer the weak. If Somalia gets conquered, there will not be no Somaliland or puntland The Galbeed/nfd will never get the taste of true independence. The greater somali region that was previously inhabited by ethnic somalis will be inhabited by other ethnic groups who speak a different language and practise a different way of life. Just like amisom, they will rape your women, massacre your men and rewrite history. This is how empires wouldconquer new lands if the Somali people don't get their shit together and solve their past trauma. If not, the future is bleak.

 

[Som]

Making things up on the fly, are we? Does finalise mean pillage & abuse the only document keeping the nation state intact?


Cut them off from what?

The only recognize government is in Xamar whether you like it or not. If Deni is serious then he should declare independence and be a man about it but he knows most puntites won't agree. This is childish behavior

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

The only recognize government is in Xamar whether you like it or not. If Deni is serious then he should declare independence and be a man about it but he knows most puntites won't agree. This is childish behavior

Again, in order for your opinion to carry weght, and to be taken seriously, see if you could read the document, and articulate a response based upon said articles, as raised. Otherwise, it is meaningless.

 

[Som]

Again, in order for your opinion to carry weght, and to be taken seriously, see if you could read the document, and articulate a response based upon said articles, as raised. Otherwise, it is meaningless.

I read the article. PL is saying they will manage their affairs untill the constitution is approved and complete. This basically means "we are independent until the constitution is complete " which means that if Somalia doesn't reach that goal PL will stay de facto Independent. This is low-key a threat to the federal government, either do as we say or we won't talk to you. You know how Somaliland started right? In the beginning their plan was also "we mind our affairs untill things get better in the south " then the militant separatists ideology became the norm

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

I read the article. PL is saying they will manage their affairs untill the constitution is approved and complete. This basically means "we are independent until the constitution is complete " which means that if Somalia doesn't reach that goal PL will stay de facto Independent. This is low-key a threat to the federal government, either do as we say or we won't talk to you. You know how Somaliland started right? In the beginning their plan was also "we mind our affairs untill things get better in the south " then the militant separatists ideology became the norm

Thank you. That is one point, but keep reading, and do bear in mind, Constitutional articles being referenced.

I shall ignore the SL question for its irrelevance.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

The only recognize government is in Xamar whether you like it or not. If Deni is serious then he should declare independence and be a man about it but he knows most puntites won't agree. This is childish behavior

Mate, do you ever read before speaking, or forming an opinion?

Read the document, please, and speak to the articles raised. Are the articles valid? If no, why not. Those are the points of contention. All else is just balderdash.

 

[warside]

I read the article. PL is saying they will manage their affairs untill the constitution is approved and complete. This basically means "we are independent until the constitution is complete " which means that if Somalia doesn't reach that goal PL will stay de facto Independent. This is low-key a threat to the federal government, either do as we say or we won't talk to you. You know how Somaliland started right? In the beginning their plan was also "we mind our affairs untill things get better in the south " then the militant separatists ideology became the norm

That's not something new, federal provisional constitution and PL constitution gives them the right to do that, is this the 1st time you heard about this?

 

[Calaami]

Goodbye Somalia. It’s been real… real shit in all honesty. As a man, I just don’t like when Burundi peacekeepers make a grab at my cocky at Aden Adde security check. Y’all keep that over there.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

This topic is what always convinces me that Somalis simply do not have the requisite intelligence to discuss complex constitutional questions.

Why is Puntland doing this?
You explain why it would be bad for Puntland to handover its judicial system to the FGS given its incompetence and corruption.
Same person 2 seconds later: why is Puntland doing this?

 

[Midwestern]

I love it when people on here resort to misogyny, it just shows I got to you on a visceral level.

HAG women know how to cook cambuulo so he should be shocked to see a puntite women discussing politics.

 

[X29]

Puntland is the Taiwan of somalia a country with in a country ebow.. somalinimo died with mohamed sayid bare everyone is after his interset, puntland interset come before somalia… puntland is 1/3 of somalia

Stop smoking crack please

 

[hinters]

I once heard an indian say that Punjabis are the one people in India that always act like they're better than everyone else.

The closest equivalent we have to that is Majeerteen.

 

[Dima&Damo]

Goodbye Somalia. It’s been real… real shit in all honesty. As a man, I just don’t like when Burundi peacekeepers make a grab at my cocky at Aden Adde security check. Y’all keep that over there.

 

[beerdilacshe]

abdiweli gaas ‘Ninkii Aniga Iga Maarma'na
Uuma Muraad Yeesho

 

[Rationale]

I challenge you to read the document, and formulate a rational response. Unless you could, and till you have done so, you are excused.

Do you mean this document and the six points listed here?

1: Freeing Somalia from Al-Shabab has not been a prerequisite for any agreements reached so far and it won't start being one. PL is obviously obstructing the process so it can keep enjoying all the special rights it has.
2: Somaliland borders have been decided and whether they join Somalia is on the hands of Somaliland and we know their position. PL borders should be based on the 18 gobols as is the case for the other states, the kumeelgaar pamphlet aka constitution should be equal to all. If it gives any special treatment to any state it should be amended so it doesn't give anyone more rights.
3 and 5 are already agreed upon by all the Southern states, it is PL once again being a rogue entity.
4: Should be put into the hands of reer Muqdisho, it is a question on what reer Banaadir want from the FGS and Banaadir admin in return of their tax money. It has nothing to do with PL
6: PL dastuur should be modified so it isn't at odds with the federal constitution, not the other way around. Absolutely in no way should the dastuur of PL hold more sway than the federal one.

As far as I see it. PL will not agree on any compromise because from their point of view, the moment they agree on anything they will become just another state within the FGS with no more autonomy than other states. If FGS agrees to give PL more rights than the other state we might as well dissolve the federation and move to a confederation or balkanize the country.

What we are witnessing is the beginning of a new period in Somalia. This is just the birth of a new reality between FGS and PL. HSM's government has in a very short period, moved Somalia from a weak divided kumeelgaar period to an actual state capable of not only fighting the terrorists but also bringing all of South into a common agreement. This new reality gives FGS a whole new role on the negotiation table and it is not the weak underdog one it had a decade ago.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Do you mean this document and the six points listed here?
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Thank you, ina adeer, but not quite. The rationale of the PL argument, and recommendations begin at half way on the 2nd page. I want you and I to have a mature, intelligent coversation, so do continue reading along. Again, bear in mind Constitutional arguments being made.

One more think, do keep in mind the Fed. gov't is not yours.

I shall respond to the rest of your commentary afterwards.

 

[Dima&Damo]

 

[Rationale]

Thank you, ina adeer, but not quite. The rationale of the PL argument, and recommendations begin at half way on the 2nd page. I want you and I to have a mature, intelligent coversation, so do continue reading along. Again, bear in mind Constitutional arguments being made.

I shall respond to the rest of your commentary afterwards.

I'm quite sure the document states those six points are what should be addressed before PL can agree with FGS on ''Dhameystirka dhismaha hannaanka federaalka ah ee Dalka''.

I'm not sure why would I read PL recommendations when they quite clearly stated that untill these six points have been resolved PL won't agree with the FGS and keep on prioritising the affairs of reer PL.

Walaal based on the content I'm certain I addressed the right issue.

 

[convincation]

God what a shitshow.