Rape is very common in Somalia/land and other Somali regions

[dhegdheer]

Calling me dumb when this nacas didn't even bother reading his own links, maybe next time click on the citation.

A low rate of sexual violence and rape was common in all areas, ranging from 2 percent to 13 percent, possibly because female youth, the main victims, were less likely to disclose such cases in the face of deep cultural and social stigmas.

Kulaha reports don't count when recording assault kkkk u were the one who brought it up in the first place sxb

Why are you bringing up US and Canada? That's hardly a fair comparison, Somalia is a 3rd world country, it doesn't have the proper channels to adequately deal with these cases. That's why it's so common, in most cases the victims are punished and offenders go free

Only 1% of sexual violence in Canada is reported, it is because of rape apologists and rape culture.

Wait... So rape culture is a thing now? you completely changed your tune from yesterdays post

There is no such thing as rape culture. There is no culture or society anywhere in the world that condones or silences rape victims or where rape is the norm. Somali Individuals are responsible for rape. Somali individuals are responsible for shaming or blaming victims not the Somali culture.

You see now why i support ''Restorative'' measures in tackling sexual assault and bring sufficient justice for the victims.

When it comes to sexual assault in the current western criminal system, it is widely accepted in the fact that State vindicates harm, most recent feminist scholarship has shown conclusively that the harm of rape is not recognized or understood within the terms of criminal law. Some feminists suggest that because women's experiences of sexual violence are ultimately "disqualified" by criminal law and justice system processes

Where as in a restorative justice system, it completely recognizes the harm and experiences of victims of sexual violence. At the same time hold the perpetrator accountable to responsibility.

Didn't we go over this yesterday? Dayya is not restorative justice byee

 

[Dhabaal]

Although i dont like to endorse negatives issuses about somalis i myself was daqan celised for 4 years hargeisa and laascaanood and rape is really prevalent and every xafaad has a rape squad thats what i call em ussualy late night qaad chewers who pray on girls who are out past sun down they drag em into broken down houses that havent been rebuilt since war times called qaraabads bk home rape needs to stopped bk home

There is nothing wrong with discussing about negative issues, as long as it is done in a critically constructive manner offering informed opinions.

Yeah its because Somalia has huge amount of juvenile activity. They have youth who are unemployed , who don't go to school and are wondering around the place etc. Get these kids of the street and make justice reforms.

 

[Dhabaal]

Calling me dumb when this nacas didn't even bother reading his own links, maybe next time click on the citation.

This right here ---------> ''A low rate of sexual violence and rape was common in all areas, ranging from 2 percent to 13 percent, possibly because female youth, the main victims, were less likely to disclose such cases in the face of deep cultural and social stigmas''


Is not even a quote from any study it is your own subjective opinions you try to pass of as legit.

Kulaha reports don't count when recording assault kkkk u were the one who brought it up in the first place sxb

This is a Strawman, i never said that. What i said is that they don't calculate sexual violence rates based solely on how many were reported.

If they did that you wouldn't not know how many were not reported and how prevalent it is.

Why are you bringing up US and Canada? That's hardly a fair comparison, Somalia is a 3rd world country, it doesn't have the proper channels to adequately deal with these cases.

It is a fair comparison. Sexual violence is underrereported across every country in the world, and victims are discouraged by their families, they feel shame or want to move on. This isn't particular to Somalis. In canada only 1% of victims report the crime.

The fact that you are emphasizing ''3rd world'' as some distinction illustrates your prejudice. Of how you view the same crime in both areas differently from some Primitive vs progressive bias.

This has no basis because Sexual violence is sexual violence.

That's why it's so common, in most cases the victims are punished and offenders go free

Victims in western countries are vindicated and Offenders go free. out of 1000 sexual violence cases in America 994 offenders go free.

Wait... So rape culture is a thing now? you completely changed your tune from yesterdays post



victim blaming isn't a now huh, ok

I was being sarcastic

So unless i accept there is some thing called ''rape culture''. I am victim blaming? Where is your logic nayaaa!!

Didn't we go over this yesterday? Dayya is no restorative justice byee

It's not called Dayya , it is ''Diyya'' and yes it is restorative justice. Diya is Restitution/compensation

It doesn't act alone, it acts with family mediation, comunnity conferences and it holds the offender accountable all while addressing the harm cause to the victim etc. The fact that Sexual violence victims in the west don't trust the justice system and wast majority feel humiliated and vindicated, as well as don't report it, shows how restorative measures is a better option.

 

[dhegdheer]

I've heard stories how the victim was married to her rapist. ''To cover shame''. If the woman stems from a smaller/weaker clan she's more doomed.

Although i dont like to endorse negatives issuses about somalis i myself was daqan celised for 4 years hargeisa and laascaanood and rape is really prevalent and every xafaad has a rape squad thats what i call em ussualy late night qaad chewers who pray on girls who are out past sun down they drag em into broken down houses that havent been rebuilt since war times called qaraabads bk home rape needs to stopped bk home

Give up friends, no amount of testimonials will be able to convince @Dhabaal. Sexual assault isn't common outside of IDF and alshabaab controlled areas according to this guy. Nvm the fact that Somalia barely has a functioning government lmaooo

 

[VixR]

This guy is really deplorable like a criminal refusing to admit wrongdoing waryaa dhabaal are u a rapist adi what's this next level shit about

 

[Showtime]

Give up friends, no amount of testimonials will be able to convince @Dhabaal. Sexual assault isn't common outside of IDF and alshabaab controlled areas according to this guy. Nvm the fact that Somalia barely has a functioning government lmaooo

Wallahi i would give em all up if i could i used to cut em up at marfrishees wit is chew spots and there arguments were if she was a respectable girl what was she doing out past sun down she deserve it little did they know mabye there family sent her out to buy jaab rodhi some bread if u dont understand n she was doing a chore
for her family and i havent been back since 2012 i was daqan celised bk in 2008 n came bk to ottawa 2012 all those mofos had funy nicknames like dheego (ears) indocase( red eyes) and kaneeoo ( musqito) lool messed up chew heads

 

[Dhabaal]

You guys are bunch of prejudice bigots. Who view everything in Somalia from a backdrop of primitive vs progressive bias.

You guys constantly use straw-mans to try and frame the discussion, by either replacing or attacking arguments or stances i have never made.

I have routinely said there is Juvenile activity in all parts of Somalia/Somaliland due to youth in the streets and that sexual violence happens as a result of it and i have also said Somalia needs justice reforms.

I have huge sympathy for survivors of sexual violence, i wish nothing more for them to receive repair and justice.. It is the most deplorable form of violence known to man. It is not like stabbing someone or injuring someone physically , it is something that leave psychological harm in form of trauma, scarring , distress , .

It is something i would never excuse .

But to say it is very common outside of IDP camps in Mogadishu just isn't true and studies & reports confirm that. Sexual violence does happen in other places , but it isn't something that is widely accepted, or cultural.

 

[Showtime]

You guys are bunch of prejudice bigots. Who view everything in Somalia from a backdrop of primitive vs progressive bias. You quietly

You guys constantly use straw-mans to try and frame the discussion, by either replacing or attacking arguments or stances i have never made.

I have routinely said there Juvenile activity in all parts of Somalia/Somaliland due to youth and that sexual violence happens as a result of it and i have also said Somalia needs justice reforms to circumvent this.

I have huge sympathy for survivors of sexual violence, i wish nothing more for them to receive repair and justice.. It is the most deplorable form of violence known to man. It is not like stabbing someone or injuring someone physically , it is something that leave psychological harm in form of trauma, scarring , distress , .

It is something i would never excuse .

But to say it is very common outside of IDP camps in Mogadishu just isn't true and studies & reports confirm that. Sexual violence does happen in other place , but it isn't something that is widely accepted, or cultural.

I do agree with most of your reports my brother and you havea valid point my brother but i dont agree with outside of idps have u seen the reports of rape cases in the north my brother that havent been solved by maxkamaada somaliland it was alot this year check the archives Of hadhwanaagnews you will be suprisedarchives and jusg not north somaliland, puntland is pretty much the same my bro

 

[Dhabaal]

I do agree with most of your reports my brother and you have a valid point my brother but i dont agree with outside of idps have u seen the reports of rape cases in the north my brother that haven been solved maxkamaada somaliland it was alot this year check the archives. Of hadhwanaagnews you will be suprised and juat not north so aliland puntland is pretty much the same my bro

Show me reliable reports on it and i will reconsider about the prevalence rates.

I have been to Puntland i can confirm that sexual violence does indeed happen, never denied that or excused it. It just isn't a common thing outside of IDP camps.

Like i said , Somalia needs justice reforms and restructuring their justice systems, they need to enforce rational restorative justice and some form of puntive justice. Or else the perpetrator will be absolved liability

Punitive justice will commensurate with the gravity of the offence and solely restitution/compensation will be insufficient.

 

[Showtime]

Show me reliable reports on it and i will reconsider about the prevalence rates.

I have been to Puntland i can confirm that sexual violence does indeed happen, never denied that or excused it. It just isn't a common thing outside of IDP camps.

Like i said , Somalia needs justice reforms and restructuring their justice systems, they need to enforce rational restorative justice and some form of puntive justice. Or else the perpetrator will be absolved liability

Punitive justice will commensurate with the gravity of the offence and solely restitution/compensation will be insufficient.

Google rape cases somaliland simple and then google rape cases puntland my brother i love khaatumo puntland and somaliland sxb i wouldent bash my people for no reason but sad to say that is the reality

 

[Dhabaal]

Google rape cases somaliland simple and then google rape cases puntland my brother i love khaatumo puntland and somaliland sxb i wouldent bash my people for no reason but sad to say that is the reality

What does that prove? . I can show you reports of rape cases in Norway, Canada and United States. Does that mean rape is common? It only shows that rape happens. which i have never denied.

 

[Showtime]

What does that prove? . I can show you reports of rape cases in Norway, Canada and United States. Does that mean rape is common? It only shows that rape happens. which i have never denied.

Wallahi my brother i feel like u missunderstood me i dont post here often i jus skim through but this thread is no lie like i said i was bk home for 4 years n i can speak for the north hargeisa n laascanood i lived in both cities n always passed through boorama berbera burco ceerigabo which also my homeland n speaking to my cousins in garoowe things are the same accross the board and from what ive seen its mostly chewers people who chew qaad theres also a phrase for it kacsi tuuf whichs means horny after u spit out n dese mans xoogs females my brother it is what it is ugly as it is but its reality

 

[Dhabaal]

Wallahi my brother i feel like u missunderstood me i dont post here often i jus skim through but this thread is no lie like i said i was bk home for 4 years n i can speak for the north hargeisa n laascanood i lived in both cities n always passed through boorama berbera burco ceerigabo which also my homeland n speaking to my cousins in garoowe things are the same accross the board and from what ive seen its mostly chewers people who chew qaad theres also a phrase for it kacsi tuuf whichs means horny after u spit out n dese mans xoogs females my brother it is what it is ugly as it is but its reality

I believe what you said is your honest true experiences.

Somalia needs major reform and i wish we could constructively tackle all the issues from khat. unemployment, violence, illiteracy, inequality etc.

All people like @VixR , @dhegdheer and @AbdiJohnson want to do is make every problem and issue in our society representative of us and negatively stereotype us with it due to their prejudice. They are not interested in solving the issues ,uplifting the people or making Somalia and our community a better place.

 

[VixR]

You were fighting tooth and nail against so many ppl, all to sweep it under the rug for badly misplaced nationalism to the extent I wondered if there was more to it. The lengths you go to! As if your restorative justice bullshit wasn't bad enough. This site is the epitome of pleading the fifth anywhere possible. What a shame that Abdijohnson's trolling accounts for most of what goes for honesty on here, brash as it is. Is that what you want? The other day you were arguing to me about tribalism of all things after all it's done to usYou don't give a hoot about the truth.

 

[Dhabaal]

You were fighting tooth and nail against so many ppl, all to sweep it under the rug for badly misplaced nationalism to the extent I wondered if there was more to it.

It didn't sweep anything under rug, Rape happens never denied it, i have consistently acknowledged that nor have i excused it but say it is a common thing outside IDP camps is just not true.. You guys don't even have evidence for it.

You guys like using strawmans to frame things.

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e. "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's actual proposition

i don't defend or excuse things just because it is Somali or think that everything a Somali does is by default better our culture is perfect that is fake nationalism and romanticism.

A true nationalist is not afraid to overthrow tradition when tradition is unproductive or wrong. He is not one who just gives support to Somali tradition out of some ignorance or romantics. He is one who says: ''Even tho i revere the Somali past and i revere the Somali tradition, that tradition can be built upon.

 

[VixR]

And he's back to denial once more

Talk to your wall. There is no having productive exchange with you.

 

[Dhabaal]

The lengths you go to! As if your restorative justice bullshit wasn't bad enough.

Elaborate how is restorative justice bulshitt? Even after all the evidence i showed you.

 

[Jujuman]

@Dhabaal War heeydhe, all I keep hearing from you is Strawman.
And why do you keep writing with that font it's size doesn't alter the weight of your argument in any way kkk.

 

[VixR]

Elaborate how is restorative justice nonsense? Even after all the evidence i showed .

If Somalis create reforms and use it restorative justice in the right way converse with punitive justice it would work better.

There's literally pages gone by that you've ignored whilst repeating the same talking points. Stop purposely blinding yourself. Idk what u get out of your countless blind-deaf crusades on here.

 

[Dhabaal]

This site is the epitome of pleading the fifth anywhere possible. What a shame that Abdijohnson's trolling accounts for most of what goes for honesty on here, brash as it is. Is that what you want? The other day you were arguing to me about tribalism of all things after all it's done to usYou don't give a hoot about the truth.

I was arguing about tribalism? What does that even mean? Because i corrected you with actually information about Somali social structure you think it means i argued for tribalism?

Weren't you the one saying mentally ill people deserve to die alone and they are beneath everyone else. and they should not get the oppurtunity for marriage. You also likened Somalis to animals. Yet you consider your own views honest and not radical and dishonest.

You were also spewing bulshitt about the quran with something from the bible, then saying people should prioritize giving charity to strangers before their relatives.