Hafez
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Forget the English translation, it can be misleading sometimes. The Prophet (SAW) said "lan ufli7a qawman...". Are you trying to tell me the wording is not generic?
Religious clerics reject reservation of 30% of seats in Somalia parliament for women
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The famous Egyptian scholar Muḥammad Āl-Ġazālī Āl-Saqā understood that ḥadīṯ to be specific; he derives that conclusion from the Qurʾānic story of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. She rules over a very powerful kingdom that worships the sun instead of God. When Solomon convinces her by way of miraculous signs to abandon her idolatry, she professes, ‘I submit before God, along with Solomon, to the Lord of all the worlds’[1] . Āl-Ġazālī maintains then that she was a leader who not only ruled over a flourishing realm but also guided it from religious error to the straight path of Islam. And since a general reading of that ḥadīṯ would contradict the Qurʾān he concluded that the former shouldn’t be understood in that sense. He further goes on to describe how that ḥadīṯ was narrated from the Prophet (ﷺ) by a Companion who recalled that, 'When it reached the Prophet that the Persians had placed the daughter of [their former king] Chosroes on the throne, he said, "A country that entrusts its affairs to a woman will not flourish."' The Prophet was merely remarking on the dismal condition of the Persian Empire's ruling family, which, in fact, was plagued with a cycle of no less than eight hapless emperors in the four years between 628 and 632. These included two daughters from the royal family, neither of whom had any experience with command. Therefore the ḥadīṯ isn’t universal, concluded Āl-Ġazālī.[2]
[1] : The Holy Qurʾān, (27:23-44).
[2] : Muḥammad Āl-Ġazālī Āl-Saqā, Āl-Sunnah Āl-Nabawiyyah, p. 53, 58.
The famous Egyptian scholar Muḥammad Āl-Ġazālī Āl-Saqā understood that ḥadīṯ to be specific; he derives that conclusion from the Qurʾānic story of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. She rules over a very powerful kingdom that worships the sun instead of God. When Solomon convinces her by way of miraculous signs to abandon her idolatry, she professes, ‘I submit before God, along with Solomon, to the Lord of all the worlds’[1] . Āl-Ġazālī maintains then that she was a leader who not only ruled over a flourishing realm but also guided it from religious error to the straight path of Islam. And since a general reading of that ḥadīṯ would contradict the Qurʾān he concluded that the former shouldn’t be understood in that sense. He further goes on to describe how that ḥadīṯ was narrated from the Prophet (ﷺ) by a Companion who recalled that, 'When it reached the Prophet that the Persians had placed the daughter of [their former king] Chosroes on the throne, he said, "A country that entrusts its affairs to a woman will not flourish."' The Prophet was merely remarking on the dismal condition of the Persian Empire's ruling family, which, in fact, was plagued with a cycle of no less than eight hapless emperors in the four years between 628 and 632. These included two daughters from the royal family, neither of whom had any experience with command. Therefore the ḥadīṯ isn’t universal, concluded Āl-Ġazālī.[2]
[1] : The Holy Qurʾān, (27:23-44).
[2] : Muḥammad Āl-Ġazālī Āl-Saqā, Āl-Sunnah Āl-Nabawiyyah, p. 53, 58.
Hafez
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I'm sorry but Al-Ghazali's words are not given precedence to that of the Tabi'een, the four Imams and their contemporaries, etc.
He is scholar like him but I agree to disagree with you
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Al-Ghazali was not a mujtahid but ok.
Ibn Hazam reported in his book Maraatib al-Ijmaa’ that there was scholarly consensus on this point. In the section he says: “Out of all groups of the people of the Qiblah [i.e., all Muslim sects], there is not one that allows the leadership of women.”
*Reported by a guy who was born almost 200 years after the death of the prophet. It's easy to attribute nonsense to the departed.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Al-Ghazali was not a mujtahid but ok.
Ibn Hazam reported in his book Maraatib al-Ijmaa’ that there was scholarly consensus on this point. In the section he says: “Out of all groups of the people of the Qiblah [i.e., all Muslim sects], there is not one that allows the leadership of women.”
Away from Hadiths Ibn Hazam's book "the ring of dove" was masterpiece
He is talking about Bukhari (legally blind Imam) who was born 200 years after death of prophet Mohamed (SAW)
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That's weird. I actually see you as the misogynist. You want women to behave like men, this has many biological and social consequences. There's a study that has been done that showed women who merely behave like "bosses" see a spike in testosterone. I want a population of feminine women, not shemales. I support women's rights far more than you do.
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You're ignorant af if you think this is Salafi interpretation. I'm against Salafism myself. This is the interpretation of all scholars past and present. Al-Ghazali Al-Saqa a government scholar of the last century. He differed with the ijmaa (consensus) of all the scholars past and present. It's not permissible for women to be leaders and this is the view of all the madaahib and sects.
I can easily refute al-Ghazali al-Saqa myself. The divine laws have changed over the years, so some of the things that were permitted to the previous nations have been made forbidden for us. You really cannot use Queen Sheba as an example, it's flawed from a usuli perspective. For instance, seizing and consuming spoils of war was forbidden for the Jews, but it's not for Muslims.
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You're ignorant af if you think this is Salafi interpretation. I'm against Salafism myself. This is the interpretation of all scholars past and present. Al-Ghazali Al-Saqa a government scholar of the last century. He differed with the ijmaa (consensus) of all the scholars past and present. It's not permissible for women to be leaders and this is the view of all the madaahib and sects.
I can easily refute al-Ghazali al-Saqa myself. The divine laws have changed over the years, so some of the things that were permitted to the previous nations have been made forbidden for us. You really cannot use Queen Sheba as an example, it's flawed from a usuli perspective. For instance, seizing and consuming spoils of war was forbidden for the Jews, but it's not for Muslims.
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