Religious clerics reject reservation of 30% of seats in Somalia parliament for women

[BebsiBolice]

The thing is what happened between 1969-91 as bad as it was was much better than what came after it. The one denying that fact is you and you seem fixed on Barre. Clannism and clan misstrust existed before Barre and I would say thats the root cause or problem of Somalia. Barre tried to unite the country on national lines rather than clan lines but the end his goverment was influnced by clannish people around him and things went bad too worse after bad decision on the part of the Gov including Barre. As for ethnic cleansing and human suffering what happened after Barre was worse even here you cant take this highground but you are trying by crediting and blaming everything on Barre. Its not Barre fault that you cant make peace for 25 years nor his fault that the fabric of the country was completely destroyed even street lights being looted. And you avoided my questions so I ask again. When will things stop being blamed on a person dead for 25 years?

Barre did not try to unite the country under national lines. Somalia was better off without the regime. Yes we were a clan divided nation but Barre only reinforced that. Romanticizing the regime won't take away from the misery and death he caused millions of people. Everything that happened after the regime fall, no matter how horrible it was, is still just a symptom of what Barre did. I am in no way justifying any of the crime that happened after 91 just stating that it's a natural response to the regimes way of operating inside of Somalia. And how will the people have peace when there's lack of trust for a central government. Can you really blame them when all they remember from the last regime is human rights violations and clan based nepotism?

I honestly don't understand why I'm arguing with you. Your username is Odeg because you're from Gedo that alone speaks volume as to why you've showcased pro Barre opinions before. And why should we stop blaming Barre or the regime or even stop discussing what he did? They were the ones that created a suicidal state, poisoned wells, raped, killed protesting students, bombed the second largest city I could go on.

 

[Canuck]

No Barre nor President Hassan did that, neither did he bring in KDF or ask the African Union to occupy or land...






I had 25 years to fix the problems? Didn't know that.

Barre and his followers left Somalia in this clan divided state that it's in. Barre and his followers are the root to all of our problems everything else is just a symptom of how the regime conduct itself. The less people wanna discuss what happened between the 1969-91 the less progress we will make.That's just a fact.

Seems to me like you guys are fixed on denying clan ethnic cleansing and an entire city begin leveled to the ground. All the resentment and distrust Somalis feels began with Barre. Wanna unite the country then go fix the problems that he created.

Nobody invited any foreign forces, USA forced them to invade Somalia in 2006 after Mogadishu made government of extremists. Lying would not improve your argument. You failed for 25 years in fixing and bringing peace to south
http://fpif.org/wikileaks_reveals_us_twisted_ethiopias_arm_to_invade_somalia/

 

[Canuck]

Barre did not try to unite the country under national lines. Somalia was better off without the regime. Yes we were a clan divided nation but Barre only reinforced that. Romanticizing the regime won't take away from the misery and death he caused millions of people. Everything that happened after the regime fall, no matter how horrible it was, is still just a symptom of what Barre did. I am in no way justifying any of the crime that happened after 91 just stating that it's a natural response to the regimes way of operating inside of Somalia. And how will the people have peace when there's lack of trust for a central government. Can you really blame them when all they remember from the last regime is human rights violations and clan based nepotism?

I honestly don't understand why I'm arguing with you. Your username is Odeg because you're from Gedo that alone speaks volume as to why you've showcased pro Barre opinions before. And why should we stop blaming Barre or the regime or even stop discussing what he did? They were the ones that created a suicidal state, poisoned wells, raped, killed protesting students, bombed the second largest city I could go on.

Again why can not south fight al Shabaab? They are like 300 teenages!!!!

 

[Canuck]

Barre did not try to unite the country under national lines. Somalia was better off without the regime. Yes we were a clan divided nation but Barre only reinforced that. Romanticizing the regime won't take away from the misery and death he caused millions of people. Everything that happened after the regime fall, no matter how horrible it was, is still just a symptom of what Barre did. I am in no way justifying any of the crime that happened after 91 just stating that it's a natural response to the regimes way of operating inside of Somalia. And how will the people have peace when there's lack of trust for a central government. Can you really blame them when all they remember from the last regime is human rights violations and clan based nepotism?

I honestly don't understand why I'm arguing with you. Your username is Odeg because you're from Gedo that alone speaks volume as to why you've showcased pro Barre opinions before. And why should we stop blaming Barre or the regime or even stop discussing what he did? They were the ones that created a suicidal state, poisoned wells, raped, killed protesting students, bombed the second largest city I could go on.

@Odeg is from Dir tribe and again you are using the "tribalist card "to silent him

 

[sinister]

Seems these sheikhs have nothing better to do than pick on women.

That's their second most important job after swindling money from poor folks.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Looool
Funny scholars

So women in parliament is haram, but kuffar soldiers are halal

 

[Hafez]

I'm with the Shuyukh on this one.

Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler." Sahih al-Bukhari 7099, Book 92, Hadith 50.

حَدَّثَنَا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ الْهَيْثَمِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَوْفٌ، عَنِ الْحَسَنِ، عَنْ أَبِي بَكْرَةَ، قَالَ لَقَدْ نَفَعَنِي اللَّهُ بِكَلِمَةٍ أَيَّامَ الْجَمَلِ لَمَّا بَلَغَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّ فَارِسًا مَلَّكُوا ابْنَةَ كِسْرَى قَالَ ‏ "‏ لَنْ يُفْلِحَ قَوْمٌ وَلَّوْا أَمْرَهُمُ امْرَأَةً ‏"‏‏.‏

Women CANNOT be leaders in Islam.

 

[Apollo]

I'm with the Shuyukh on this one.

Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler." Sahih al-Bukhari 7099, Book 92, Hadith 50.

حَدَّثَنَا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ الْهَيْثَمِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَوْفٌ، عَنِ الْحَسَنِ، عَنْ أَبِي بَكْرَةَ، قَالَ لَقَدْ نَفَعَنِي اللَّهُ بِكَلِمَةٍ أَيَّامَ الْجَمَلِ لَمَّا بَلَغَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّ فَارِسًا مَلَّكُوا ابْنَةَ كِسْرَى قَالَ ‏ "‏ لَنْ يُفْلِحَ قَوْمٌ وَلَّوْا أَمْرَهُمُ امْرَأَةً ‏"‏‏.‏

Women CANNOT be leaders in Islam.

Thanks for reminding me why I dumped all Hadiths.

 

[Hafez]

Thanks for reminding me why I dumped all Hadiths.

You're free to dump whatever you wish, the ahadith of the Prophet (SAW) will remain relevant till qiyaamah.

 

[Apollo]

You're free to dump whatever you wish, the ahadith of the Prophet (SAW) will remain relevant till qiyaamah.

I trust the Christian Bible over Sunni Hadiths.

 

[Hafez]

I trust the Christian Bible over Sunni Hadiths.

All madaahib strictly forbid appointing a woman as a ruler or any position of leadership. Imam Tabari (RH) was an exception in that he permitted women to be appointed in certain prominent roles such as judges, but that's as far as it goes. There are certain ayaat in the Qur'an that also support what's been mentioned in the hadith that I've provided. For example:

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because of what Allah has preferred one with over the other and because of what they spend to support them from their wealth.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 34]

 

[Canuck]

I'm with the Shuyukh on this one.

Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler." Sahih al-Bukhari 7099, Book 92, Hadith 50.

حَدَّثَنَا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ الْهَيْثَمِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَوْفٌ، عَنِ الْحَسَنِ، عَنْ أَبِي بَكْرَةَ، قَالَ لَقَدْ نَفَعَنِي اللَّهُ بِكَلِمَةٍ أَيَّامَ الْجَمَلِ لَمَّا بَلَغَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّ فَارِسًا مَلَّكُوا ابْنَةَ كِسْرَى قَالَ ‏ "‏ لَنْ يُفْلِحَ قَوْمٌ وَلَّوْا أَمْرَهُمُ امْرَأَةً ‏"‏‏.‏

Women CANNOT be leaders in Islam.

That Hadith was for special occasion, when king of Persia passed away and his daughter took the throne and Muslim were in war with them. You know that small fact

 

[Apollo]

@Hafez

Do you even believe in modern science? There's no proven mental deficiency between men and women. Their brains are more or less the same. And some studies even show that women make less reckless decisions.

 

[Hafez]

That Hadith was for special occasion, when king of Persia passed away and his daughter took the throne and Muslim were in war with them. You know that small fact

What the f**k? No it's not a special occasion. You claim to know Arabic, read it properly.

 

[Hafez]

@Hafez

Do you even believe in modern science? There's no proven mental deficiency between men and women. Their brains are more or less the same. And some studies even show that women make less reckless decisions.

There are also studies that contradict what you're claiming.

 

[Apollo]

Nordic countries have a high percentage of female participation in their politics and look how well their countries are run. You are a hypocrite. You'd much rather live in Scandinavia than all-male run countries.

 

[Canuck]

What the f**k? No it's not a special occasion. You claim to know Arabic, read it properly.

It is not about language but the historical context that prophet said the Hadith

 

[Canuck]

What the f**k? No it's not a special occasion. You claim to know Arabic, read it properly.

I will post more links about this Hadith

 

[Hafez]

It is not about language but the historical context that prophet said the Hadith

I will post more links about this Hadith

What do you mean "historical context"? That's not even relevant here. So you're telling me you know better than all of the Imams (past & present)? You don't know Arabic, because if you did, you'd know that the "historical context" is not even relevant in that hadith. The wording is very generic.

Nordic countries have a high percentage of female participation in their politics and look how well their countries are run. You are a hypocrite. You'd much rather live in Scandinavia than all-male run countries.

How am I a hypocrite? You know well that most of these "all-male" ran countries have puppet/corrupt leaders. It's no surprise that the vast majority of them are on a downward slope. I can prove using history that these Scandinavian countries were economically better off when they had "all male" rulers. Don't challenge me at this game.
:siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Canuck]

@Hafez during the battle of Al-Jamal, When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."
Notice the use of Such A nation