Rumours Trump will recognise Somaliland.

[Hared]

The U.S. interest in recognizing or engaging more closely with Somaliland stems from several strategic and geopolitical considerations, even though the United States has not formally recognized Somaliland as an independent state. Here are the key reasons why America and some Western countries are increasingly paying attention to Somaliland:
1. Strategic Location
Somaliland is located in the Horn of Africa, along the Gulf of Aden, a critical maritime route for global trade. The region's proximity to the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, which connects the Red Sea to the Arabian Sea, makes it geopolitically significant for securing shipping lanes and combating piracy.
2. Counterterrorism
Somaliland has been relatively stable compared to Somalia, which continues to struggle with terrorism, particularly from Al-Shabaab. Recognizing or working closely with Somaliland could help the U.S. strengthen counterterrorism efforts and establish a reliable partner in the region.
3. Stability and Governance
Unlike Somalia, Somaliland has maintained a functioning government, democratic elections, and a degree of peace and stability for over three decades. Supporting such a region aligns with U.S. goals of promoting good governance and stability in the Horn of Africa.
4. China's Influence in Djibouti
Djibouti, Somaliland's neighbor, hosts both U.S. and Chinese military bases. As China's influence grows in the region, the U.S. may see closer ties with Somaliland as a way to counterbalance Beijing's strategic expansion, particularly along vital maritime routes.
5. Economic Interests
Somaliland's Berbera port has attracted significant foreign investment, notably from the UAE's DP World. The port is positioned as a potential alternative to Djibouti, offering the U.S. and its allies another economic and logistical hub in the region.
6. Regional Partnerships
Engagement with Somaliland could strengthen U.S. alliances with other regional powers, such as Ethiopia and Kenya, which have vested interests in Somaliland's stability for trade and security.
Challenges to Recognition
Despite these interests, formal recognition of Somaliland poses challenges:
• International Law: Recognition would likely upset Somalia, which claims Somaliland as part of its territory, potentially destabilizing the region further.
• Precedent Setting: Recognizing Somaliland could embolden other separatist movements worldwide, complicating international diplomacy.
• African Union Position: The African Union opposes altering colonial-era borders, making Somaliland's case controversial on the continent.
While full recognition remains unlikely in the short term, the U.S. could continue to engage Somaliland through unofficial channels, economic partnerships, and security cooperation, signaling a strategic interest in the region.

 

[hayran]

You could call it Erya, and its people Eryans, inspired by the historic Erythraean Sea. This name is easy to pronounce (by foreigners), regionally specific, and avoids ties to particular tribes/clans, or existing regional names. FYI, I created this out of thin air.

Eritrea did that already, sorry but landers gonna be stuck with that pirate theme park name forever. Shoulda chose something better in 1991

 

[hayran]

The U.S. interest in recognizing or engaging more closely with Somaliland stems from several strategic and geopolitical considerations, even though the United States has not formally recognized Somaliland as an independent state. Here are the key reasons why America and some Western countries are increasingly paying attention to Somaliland:
1. Strategic Location
Somaliland is located in the Horn of Africa, along the Gulf of Aden, a critical maritime route for global trade. The region's proximity to the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, which connects the Red Sea to the Arabian Sea, makes it geopolitically significant for securing shipping lanes and combating piracy.
2. Counterterrorism
Somaliland has been relatively stable compared to Somalia, which continues to struggle with terrorism, particularly from Al-Shabaab. Recognizing or working closely with Somaliland could help the U.S. strengthen counterterrorism efforts and establish a reliable partner in the region.
3. Stability and Governance
Unlike Somalia, Somaliland has maintained a functioning government, democratic elections, and a degree of peace and stability for over three decades. Supporting such a region aligns with U.S. goals of promoting good governance and stability in the Horn of Africa.
4. China's Influence in Djibouti
Djibouti, Somaliland's neighbor, hosts both U.S. and Chinese military bases. As China's influence grows in the region, the U.S. may see closer ties with Somaliland as a way to counterbalance Beijing's strategic expansion, particularly along vital maritime routes.
5. Economic Interests
Somaliland's Berbera port has attracted significant foreign investment, notably from the UAE's DP World. The port is positioned as a potential alternative to Djibouti, offering the U.S. and its allies another economic and logistical hub in the region.
6. Regional Partnerships
Engagement with Somaliland could strengthen U.S. alliances with other regional powers, such as Ethiopia and Kenya, which have vested interests in Somaliland's stability for trade and security.
Challenges to Recognition
Despite these interests, formal recognition of Somaliland poses challenges:
• International Law: Recognition would likely upset Somalia, which claims Somaliland as part of its territory, potentially destabilizing the region further.
• Precedent Setting: Recognizing Somaliland could embolden other separatist movements worldwide, complicating international diplomacy.
• African Union Position: The African Union opposes altering colonial-era borders, making Somaliland's case controversial on the continent.
While full recognition remains unlikely in the short term, the U.S. could continue to engage Somaliland through unofficial channels, economic partnerships, and security cooperation, signaling a strategic interest in the region.

 

[Zak12]

You could call it Erya, and its people Eryans

Eritrea's name is already based on that lol

 

[Sophisticate]

Eritrea did that already, sorry but landers gonna be stuck with that pirate theme park name forever. Shoulda chose something better in 1991

They all sound similar in Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Erya, but I’m familiar with the Greek name Erythraia, from which Eritrea gets its name. However, Erya is a more simplified adaptation, directly borrowed from the Erythraean Sea—easier to pronounce, cleaner, and more globally adaptable. It feels more distinct, in my opinion. Visually and phonetically, Erya is more unique. The 'Y' gives it a modern, sleek feel and doesn’t resemble the names of other countries too closely (besides the historical roots), making it stand out more.

Branding would be far easier, lol.

 

[Sophisticate]

Eritrea's name is already based on that lol

We can call it Dirya instead, but that makes one sound like a megalomaniacal macro-clan enclave. You wouldn't want that.

 

[Hared]

That's exactly what is presented to policy makers by their staff when they need to make decisions.

 

[Abdisamad]

Even when darood try to mock us with idoor i dont care since it sounds nice. Better than Berbera and ithe trash names suggested.

Don't be upset now, I was joking with you lol..

 

[RiceMuncher]

The European Union welcomes the declaration agreed in Ankara on the 11th of December,” El Anouni said.

He noted that the resolution highlights the importance of mutual respect and dialogue in reducing tensions across Africa. He reiterated the EU’s support for the “unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity” of Somalia and Ethiopia, “pursuant to principles entrenched in international law.”.

The United States welcomes the December 11 Declaration between the Federal Republic of Somalia and the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia reaffirming each country’s sovereignty, unity, independence, and territorial integrity,” top US diplomat Antony Blinken said in a statement.

 

[Abdisamad]

United States is represented by the out going Biden administration, their policies towards Somalia may not necessarily represent the view of the Trump administration. Anyway why do you want to keep SL in the this mad house called Somalia?

 

[gasara]

United States is represented by the out going Biden administration, their policies towards Somalia may not necessarily represent the view of the Trump administration. Anyway why do you want to keep SL in the this mad house called Somalia?

Arent they all a madhouse. To me they all seem the same. Is there any region that hasnt participated in the killing of innocent Somalis Lol.

 

[Abdisamad]

Arent they all a madhouse. To me they all seem the same. Is there any region that hasnt participated in the killing of innocent Somalis Lol.

True, SL attacked and killed people in SSC, but politically speaking it is more stable than southern Somalia, they just had a democratic election without any violence, so I would say they're less madhouse than the circus in muqdisho and the terror infested southern Somalia.. I don't mind them getting recognition to be honest, my only issue with them is if they attack SSC.

 

[gasara]

True, SL attacked and killed people in SSC, but politically speaking it is more stable than southern Somalia, they just had a democratic election without any violence, so I would say they're less madhouse than the circus in muqdisho and the terror infested southern Somalia.. I don't mind them getting recognition to be honest, my only issue with them is if they attack SSC.

Same as long as they leave SSC alone idrc what they do.

 

[Yazi]

I never look down on Somalis with all due respect you're putting words in my mouth, as for other Landers yes many do look down on Somalia and yes that isn't fair (but that is a two way street, you have people on this forum who do the same back to Landers and even go as for as saying Siad didn't go far enough), you just don't like the fact we have our own views and want to smear us with the same label which is ignorant on your part. At the end of the day I sincerely hope all Somalis prosper but I wish for SL to become an independent state with its 'own' identity.

They're afraid of changing our name as any positive development will no longer be attributed to Somali-a anymore. The Somali name is in the gutter thanks to these people I'm glad we're considering changing our name. It carries too much baggage from piracy to terrorism. Few years ago they'd make fun of Somaliland for how similar it is to Somalia but now they wanna call us self haters for distinguishing ourselves from them. The same people who fought tooth and nail to prevent UAE from developing Berbera port in 2016 and went on demonstrations around the globe to protest it went 180° and spammed the hell out of Berbera's new terminal just to add #Somalia hashtag at the end. This would finally end the confusion and allow us to turn a new page.




Isaaqia or republic of Isaaqia is not possible, many other clans live there and honestly it's a bad look we don't want to be like Saudi or Philippines or names an entire nation after a monocracy, it goes against our democratic tradition. I prefer Ifat or Adal. Awdal region can keep it's name. Adalite or Adalian would be a proper prefix. Nations are named after indigenous eariler civilisations or Sultanates. Somaliland was a recognized state but it has no historical significance you could be proud off. We'd be like Eritreans who were under the Italian rule for so long who developed a whole new identity. What would 80 years under the British be next to 300 years under Ifat-Adal rule? It would be a brilliant move same like Harti hijacked Puntland name and attribute it to their region even though it's somewhere in Somaliland/Djibouti. Adal had many clans in it including Dir, Isaaq, Marexaan and Harti this move will rub it in their eyes and we'll permanently hijack that name for ourselves because it's early capital Zaila is still within the borders Somaliland.

 

[Sigmundd]

They're afraid of changing our name as any positive development will no longer be attributed to Somali-a anymore. The Somali name is in the gutter thanks to these people I'm glad we're considering changing our name. It carries too much baggage from piracy to terrorism. Few years ago they'd make fun of Somaliland for how similar it is to Somalia but now they wanna call us self haters for distinguishing ourselves from them. The same people who fought tooth and nail to prevent UAE from developing Berbera port in 2016 and went on demonstrations around the globe to protest it went 180° and spammed the hell out of Berbera's new terminal just to add #Somalia hashtag at the end. This would finally end the confusion and allow us to turn a new page.




Isaaqia or republic of Isaaqia is not possible, many other clans live there and honestly it's a bad look we don't want to be like Saudi or Philippines or names an entire nation after a monocracy, it goes against our democratic tradition. I prefer Ifat or Adal. Awdal region can keep it's name. Adalite or Adalian would be a proper prefix. Nations are named after indigenous eariler civilisations or Sultanates. Somaliland was a recognized state but it has no historical significance you could be proud off. We'd be like Eritreans who were under the Italian rule for so long who developed a whole new identity. What would 80 years under the British be next to 300 years under Ifat-Adal rule? It would be a brilliant move same like Harti hijacked Puntland name and attribute it to their region even though it's somewhere in Somaliland/Djibouti. Adal had many clans in it including Dir, Isaaq, Marexaan and Harti this move will rub it in their eyes and we'll permanently hijack that name for ourselves because it's early capital Zaila is still within the borders Somaliland.

Finally someone that understands why we should never keep the name "somali" or have any similair name attached to us. Once we get that new name any achievement we do is exclusively ours and no one can hijack it. Other clans outside Somaliland can however appreciate and celebrate any achievement we do that's fine since we are somali but should respect it us our own achievement. Ps I don't like the name ifat weirdos can make fun of us with that name and call us "fat" it should just be Adal.

 

[Sigmundd]

True, SL attacked and killed people in SSC, but politically speaking it is more stable than southern Somalia, they just had a democratic election without any violence, so I would say they're less madhouse than the circus in muqdisho and the terror infested southern Somalia.. I don't mind them getting recognition to be honest, my only issue with them is if they attack SSC.

Random but if Somalia don't get their shit together would you want Puntland to become a successionist like Somaliland and would you want khaatumo state to join Puntland?

 

[rayxn3]

They're afraid of changing our name as any positive development will no longer be attributed to Somali-a anymore. The Somali name is in the gutter thanks to these people I'm glad we're considering changing our name. It carries too much baggage from piracy to terrorism. Few years ago they'd make fun of Somaliland for how similar it is to Somalia but now they wanna call us self haters for distinguishing ourselves from them. The same people who fought tooth and nail to prevent UAE from developing Berbera port in 2016 and went on demonstrations around the globe to protest it went 180° and spammed the hell out of Berbera's new terminal just to add #Somalia hashtag at the end. This would finally end the confusion and allow us to turn a new page.




Isaaqia or republic of Isaaqia is not possible, many other clans live there and honestly it's a bad look we don't want to be like Saudi or Philippines or names an entire nation after a monocracy, it goes against our democratic tradition. I prefer Ifat or Adal. Awdal region can keep it's name. Adalite or Adalian would be a proper prefix. Nations are named after indigenous eariler civilisations or Sultanates. Somaliland was a recognized state but it has no historical significance you could be proud off. We'd be like Eritreans who were under the Italian rule for so long who developed a whole new identity. What would 80 years under the British be next to 300 years under Ifat-Adal rule? It would be a brilliant move same like Harti hijacked Puntland name and attribute it to their region even though it's somewhere in Somaliland/Djibouti. Adal had many clans in it including Dir, Isaaq, Marexaan and Harti this move will rub it in their eyes and we'll permanently hijack that name for ourselves because it's early capital Zaila is still within the borders Somaliland.

“The Somali name is in the gutter thanks to these people”. Pirates come from the north of Somalia. Landers have nothing to show for positive representation.

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Somaliland becoming its own country would be funny to see. Honestly, at this point, let it happen. Without a strong military and without anything to show for yourselves, I’d love to see how things pan out for you lot.

 

[rayxn3]

Yes they do. The entire planet looks down on Somalia. You think Japanese or Mexicans or Austrians think Somalia is a great place

Yes they do. Somalia is a lesson for the entire planet. Even the Egyptian Prsident warned his people not be like Somalia and keep their peace in front of HSM

Both sides do it to each other.

But you insult the actual people who did vote to create the Union? It was SL that joined you and now you calling those same folks self-haters?

But the ones that sell their sea, and invite foreigners to occupy them to fight their clan rivals are patriots who need to rule Hargeisa? Shut the f*ck up

Who mentioned Japanese, Austrians or Mexicans? I don’t care about them. Djiboutians do not actively try and separate themselves from Somalia and constantly promote their country as being peaceful compared to us. They don’t call us “Somalians” and look down on us like your retarded self hating bunch.

Wasn’t it somaliland that was trying to work with Ethiopia for independence? They were selling their own sea for nothing. Somalia is not giving away a port for recognition. Landers are not prideful, they’re pathetic. They beg it to anyone (including white racists) that will give them recognition, even insulting their own people in the process. They purposefully mistranslate things about Somalia and share it with kaafirs in America so they can attack us. All of this could lead to Somalis being attacked in real life. Landers are such a sad, self hating existence.

 

[rayxn3]

The U.S. interest in recognizing or engaging more closely with Somaliland stems from several strategic and geopolitical considerations, even though the United States has not formally recognized Somaliland as an independent state. Here are the key reasons why America and some Western countries are increasingly paying attention to Somaliland:
1. Strategic Location
Somaliland is located in the Horn of Africa, along the Gulf of Aden, a critical maritime route for global trade. The region's proximity to the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, which connects the Red Sea to the Arabian Sea, makes it geopolitically significant for securing shipping lanes and combating piracy.
2. Counterterrorism
Somaliland has been relatively stable compared to Somalia, which continues to struggle with terrorism, particularly from Al-Shabaab. Recognizing or working closely with Somaliland could help the U.S. strengthen counterterrorism efforts and establish a reliable partner in the region.
3. Stability and Governance
Unlike Somalia, Somaliland has maintained a functioning government, democratic elections, and a degree of peace and stability for over three decades. Supporting such a region aligns with U.S. goals of promoting good governance and stability in the Horn of Africa.
4. China's Influence in Djibouti
Djibouti, Somaliland's neighbor, hosts both U.S. and Chinese military bases. As China's influence grows in the region, the U.S. may see closer ties with Somaliland as a way to counterbalance Beijing's strategic expansion, particularly along vital maritime routes.
5. Economic Interests
Somaliland's Berbera port has attracted significant foreign investment, notably from the UAE's DP World. The port is positioned as a potential alternative to Djibouti, offering the U.S. and its allies another economic and logistical hub in the region.
6. Regional Partnerships
Engagement with Somaliland could strengthen U.S. alliances with other regional powers, such as Ethiopia and Kenya, which have vested interests in Somaliland's stability for trade and security.
Challenges to Recognition
Despite these interests, formal recognition of Somaliland poses challenges:
• International Law: Recognition would likely upset Somalia, which claims Somaliland as part of its territory, potentially destabilizing the region further.
• Precedent Setting: Recognizing Somaliland could embolden other separatist movements worldwide, complicating international diplomacy.
• African Union Position: The African Union opposes altering colonial-era borders, making Somaliland's case controversial on the continent.
While full recognition remains unlikely in the short term, the U.S. could continue to engage Somaliland through unofficial channels, economic partnerships, and security cooperation, signaling a strategic interest in the region.

If I wanted to use chatgpt for its input I’d ask.

 

[Hared]

If I wanted to use chatgpt for its input I’d ask.

It's not who is the source of the information but it's relevance, so i am sorry if the relevance pains you,but don't use it as a distraction, counter the issues raised if you are opposing it.