Runaway slave in Islam

[Thebluesomali]

I dont believe nabi mohamed had slaves and i think islam didnt entercourage to go and take civilians as slave the only slavery tht is allow is when muslims army goto war and win then take non muslims army mans

The prophet SAW did have slaves and he freed them. His blessed companions also had slaves and they freed many. Yes you are right slaves were acquired either from war or they were born into it. Islam removed the avenue of slavery which they used to do which was to capture free men.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

The prophet SAW did have slaves and he freed them. His blessed companions also had slaves and they freed many. Yes you are right slaves were acquired either from war or they were born into it. Islam removed the avenue of slavery which they used to do which was to capture free men.

But those tht are born to it cant be slaves since they wasnt capture

 

[Thebluesomali]

How a man regained his freedom become a nonbeliever? What the iman and aqida have to do with gaining your freedom? You know that a Muslim slave can run from his mushrik master and that be ok but when the master is Muslim it is a shirk and kuffr to run from him?

And please Alalbani debunked dozens of hadiths although they were in sahiih bukhari and Muslim

You are not qualified nor are you an expert in the science of hadith to be claiming they are nonsense. By denying the words of the prophet SAW and claiming that they are baseless without any evidence or proof that places the chain of narration in doubt, you are committing a sin. As a layman you should not be interpreting hadith the way you see fit.

 

[Aurelian]

You are not qualified nor are you an expert in the science of hadith to be claiming they are nonsense. By denying the words of the prophet SAW and claiming that they are baseless without any evidence or proof that places the chain of narration in doubt, you are committing a sin. As a layman you should not be interpreting hadith the way you see fit.

Do you think I believe this the words of the prophet to begin with? Kulaha qualified, you need a qualification to know that the sun raises from the east

 

[Thebluesomali]

But those tht are born to it cant be slaves since they wasnt capture

How can the children of slaves be free?

Do you think I believe this the words of the prophet to begin with? Kulaha qualified, you need a qualification to know that the sun raises from the east

This is the talk of the ignorant. You are not educated yet you have pride to make your own assumptions. This is a dangerous way to think. Do not become like the homosexual "progressive" muslims that interpret the hadith and quran the way they want.

 

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

Walaal I only found this justification

"The institution of slavery does not exist in the modern world, but if it exists anywhere or a situation arises in which it re-emerges, the principle stated in this Hadith will be applicable. The Hadith also makes it clear that if someone has expressed his commitment to serve somebody, he should not back out. It also urges us to show gratefulness to one's benefactors and to reciprocate the good, one receives."

Damn now I have Shaki in the Deen. I'll be back if I find a more suitable answer.

There is no shaki in the deen my friend. What you and many in this forum still have is the moral and ethics of the west that developed between 1945-to present. Islam is our only moral compass, if you believe Allah is the most wise, you would believe that this commandment has some wisdom behind it. I think you have doubt in Allah, because if you didn't this would be a no brainer. Also from what I know slavery was an established institution, so if slaves run away with no consequences the whole fabric of society falls apart. Islam is all about justice, law and order.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

How can the children of slaves be free?




This is the talk of the ignorant. You are not educated yet you have pride to make your own assumptions. This is a dangerous way to think. Do not become like the homosexual "progressive" muslims that interpret the hadith and quran the way they want.

Cus they werent capture as slave

 

[Aurelian]

How can the children of slaves be free?




This is the talk of the ignorant. You are not educated yet you have pride to make your own assumptions. This is a dangerous way to think. Do not become like the homosexual "progressive" muslims that interpret the hadith and quran the way they want.

What the hell you are talking about? A guy come and debunk Hadiths and weaken them after centuries of them regarded as authentic. And you talking about education? Can you say that any of the Hadiths that alalbani weakened as authentic anymore? Can you?

 

[Thebluesomali]

What the hell you are talking about? A guy come and debunk Hadiths and weaken them after centuries of them regarded as authentic. And you talking about education? Can you say that any of the Hadiths that alalbani weakened as authentic anymore? Can you?

Albani critiqued many hadiths that were considered to be sahih. He did not disregard all of Bukhari and Muslim though, that is preposterous. Do you know specifically whether the hadith you called nonsense was viewed as not sahih by Albani or did you make this judgement on your own. If the latter then you are in great error. You are not a scholar, do not disrespect the ulema who spend years studying the science of hadith before they can comment and analyze them and form opinions.

 

[Aurelian]

Albani critiqued many hadiths that were considered to be sahih. He did not disregard all of Bukhari and Muslim though, that is preposterous. Do you know specifically whether the hadith you called nonsense was viewed as not sahih by Albani or did you make this judgement on your own. If the latter then you are in great error. You are not a scholar, do not disrespect the ulema who spend years studying the science of hadith before they can comment and analyze them and form opinions.

So you say that the specific Hadiths that Alalbani weakened “not critiqued” as authentic?

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Albani critiqued many hadiths that were considered to be sahih. He did not disregard all of Bukhari and Muslim though, that is preposterous. Do you know specifically whether the hadith you called nonsense was viewed as not sahih by Albani or did you make this judgement on your own. If the latter then you are in great error. You are not a scholar, do not disrespect the ulema who spend years studying the science of hadith before they can comment and analyze them and form opinions.

Hadiths must have Chain narrations

 

[Liban89]

Yes you are right slaves were acquired either from war or they were born into it

Again, not true. The prophet received Mariah Al Qibtiyahh as a gift. In Islam a good friend can send you gifts of children and women as slaves.

 

[Thebluesomali]

So you say that the specific Hadiths that Alalbani weakened “not critiqued” as authentic?

I don't concern myself with Albani or any specific contemporary scholar. I just follow the opinion and rulings of the majority of the ulema when it comes to most things, that is the safest and most righteous path. The majority opinion is that after the Quran, bukhari and muslim are the most authentic books in Islam. There may be some criticism regarding the two, but I'm not a scholar it's not my place to engage in those debates. My problem with you is you were just calling that hadith nonsense and using Albani as an example without clarifying his opinion on that specific hadith. You are not qualified to draw your own conclusions.

Again, not true. The prophet received Mariah Al Qibtiyahh as a gift. In Islam a good friend can send you gifts of children and women as slaves.

Yes you can purchase slaves. She was gifted as a concubine to the prophet SAW and was from a noble family. Some scholars say that he married her.

 

[Aurelian]

I don't concern myself with Albani or any specific contemporary scholar. I just follow the opinion and rulings of the majority of the ulema when it comes to most things, that is the safest and most righteous path. The majority opinion is that after the Quran, bukhari and muslim are the most authentic books in Islam. There may be some criticism regarding the two, but I'm not a scholar it's not my place to engage in those debates. My problem with you is you were just calling that hadith nonsense and using Albani as an example without clarifying his opinion on that specific hadith. You are not qualified to draw your own conclusions.


Yes you can purchase slaves. She was gifted as a concubine to the prophet SAW and was from a noble family. Some scholars say that he married her.

Well, mainstream ummah scholars nowadays take Alalbani who you don’t concern yourself with as big scholar, and each hadith he weakened as weak. So take that.

 

[Thebluesomali]

Well, mainstream ummah scholars nowadays take Alalbani who you don’t concern yourself with as big scholar, and each hadith he weakened as weak. So take that.

He is a big scholar, very knowledgeable when it comes to hadith and his name pops up a lot. I just don't follow the opinions of specific people, I go with the majority rulings of ahlul sunnah when it comes to anything including the position on certain hadiths. Some of his views he agrees with the consensus, some he doesn't and those are his views. May Allah have mercy on him and grant him jannah.

 

[Nikka]

Is there an explanation why it brings you out of Islam directly? I understand it would be a sin to not serve your muslim master, but why do you become directly an apostate by trying to runaway and not just a sinner? A muslim who rapes, does other kinds of zina, murders, uses drugs, steals and so one still stays a muslim, but the slave who runs away is an apostate?

I am having doubts about the authenticity of that hadith. There are other hadith where doing a certain sin makes your salah not accepted. I will do more research and return when I found something.

 

[Aurelian]

He is a big scholar, very knowledgeable when it comes to hadith and his name pops up a lot. I just don't follow the opinions of specific people, I go with the majority rulings of ahlul sunnah when it comes to anything including the position on certain hadiths. Some of his views he agrees with the consensus, some he doesn't and those are his views. May Allah have mercy on him and grant him jannah.

But ahlul Sunna regards his work and metrology on these Hadiths as legit, meaning you also agree with him.

 

[BLM]

This is why learning Arabic is important. The kufr in this Hadith and the kufr in the lineage Hadith aren’t the same kufr as insulting Allah for example. It’s a kufr that doesn’t take you out of the religion which is used in multiple hadiths like the one about killing one another as Muslims. The funny thing is the chapter that Hadith comes in Sahih Muslim answers it for you even if you don’t know Arabic then the answer is already translated. All you had to was read the entire page on sunnah.com. The chapter heading is at the top of the Hadith. Anyway make sure to learn Arabic.

 

[Liban89]

Some scholars say that he married her.

He never did, cause there is no reason to marry a slave.

 

[Qeelbax]

I dont believe nabi mohamed had slaves and i think islam didnt entercourage to go and take civilians as slave the only slavery tht is allow is when muslims army goto war and win then take non muslims army mans

Can we talk about how Arabs would invade peaceful peoples land and kidnap people into slavery hundreds of years after Islam? They went to East Africa just for slavery. Last I remember that isn't allowed.