Runaway slave in Islam

[Qeelbax]

How a man regained his freedom become a nonbeliever? What the iman and aqida have to do with gaining your freedom? You know that a Muslim slave can run from his mushrik master and that be ok but when the master is Muslim it is a shirk and kuffr to run from him?

And please Alalbani debunked dozens of hadiths although they were in sahiih bukhari and Muslim

I'm confused too. You being a muslim is believing in Allah swt and Muhammed saw. How can another human be in-between you and Allah swt? If anything sounds like kufr it's that. This is contradicting Islam. A lot of those Arabs did shit that was completely against the deen, the way they even gained slaves post-muhammed saw is highly questionable, but this is what causes kufr?

I wonder how reliable that Hadith is because it sounds like Christians excuse for enslaving black people.

 

[Qeelbax]

There is no shaki in the deen my friend. What you and many in this forum still have is the moral and ethics of the west that developed between 1945-to present. Islam is our only moral compass, if you believe Allah is the most wise, you would believe that this commandment has some wisdom behind it. I think you have doubt in Allah, because if you didn't this would be a no brainer. Also from what I know slavery was an established institution, so if slaves run away with no consequences the whole fabric of society falls apart. Islam is all about justice, law and order.

What morals my nigga? How will someone become a kafir for running away from slavehood?

We been learning the deen since we could understand words and y'all be posting shit that doesn't align with it.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

I'm confused too. You being a muslim is believing in Allah swt and Muhammed saw. How can another human be in-between you and Allah swt? If anything sounds like kufr it's that. This is contradicting Islam.

I wonder how reliable that Hadith is because it sounds like Christians excuse for enslaving black people.

It is a sahih hadith in sahih muslim, nearly all sunni scholars in history declares them to be 100% correct, and this hadith has never be questioned by a scholars by my knowledge, which is crazy to me

 

[Qeelbax]

It is a sahih hadith in sahih muslim, nearly all sunni scholars in history declares them to be 100% correct, and this hadith has never be questioned by a scholars by my knowledge, which is crazy to me

I'm not gonna ask any more questions. I've never seen this Hadith and maybe it is up for debate. They debate a lot of stuff and this sounds like it, so I'll leave it upto God. No more questions.

 

[El Nino]

any Hadith that contradicts with the core of Islamic theology and/or is political in nature (Ali, Mu’aawiya, Hassan/Hussein, Aisha) shouldn’t be taken as legit 100%.

100% walaal, many of the hadiths contradict whats said in the Quran, you have to question the legitimacy of them. We must remember hadiths were written by mere humans while Quran was revealed by Allah SWT. Unfortunately many muslims just believe these hadiths immediately without critical thinking.

 

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

What morals my nigga? How will someone become a kafir for running away from slavehood?

We been learning the deen since we could understand words and y'all be posting shit that doesn't align with it.

what do you mean how? The hadith states that a slave's prayer is not accepted if he runs away and if your prayer isn't accepted then you die a disbeliever. It is as the hadith states, we hear and obey. If this makes you feel uneasy or uncomfortable, it is the Islamic morals clashing with your main moral compass based on western values and ideas.

 

[Qeelbax]

what do you mean how? The hadith states that a slave's prayer is not accepted if he runs away and if your prayer isn't accepted then you die a disbeliever. It is as the hadith states, we hear and obey. If this makes you feel uneasy or uncomfortable, it is the Islamic morals clashing with your main moral compass based on western values and ideas.

Do you know what a contradiction is? This goes against the deen we've been taught.
This Hadith is irrelevant to me as I'm not a slave but it makes no sense.

100% walaal, many of the hadiths contradict whats said in the Quran, you have to question the legitimacy of them. We must remember hadiths were written by mere humans while Quran was revealed by Allah SWT. Unfortunately many muslims just believe these hadiths immediately without critical thinking.

I'll stick with this. If I wanted to believe a human could be between me and Allah swt, I would be a christian but alhamdulilah that I'm a Muslim and we have no contradictions in the Quran, the word of Allah swt.

 

[NordicSomali]

The fact that people are resorting to mental gymnastics tells us something

 

[Aurelian]

100% walaal, many of the hadiths contradict whats said in the Quran, you have to question the legitimacy of them. We must remember hadiths were written by mere humans while Quran was revealed by Allah SWT. Unfortunately many muslims just believe these hadiths immediately without critical thinking.

Many Hadiths are considered political, from some sahabas, and being a sahaba is not 100% guaranteed that you’re not a munafiq. So them being first source with political hadith is not refutable. Bukhari reduced Hadiths from 99000 to 30.000. So without bukhari a guy like @Thebluesomali would took any nonsense hadith of the 99.000 as legit. Even if the was saying the sun rises from the head of a donkey. But since the ummah agreed on the 4-30.000 hadith then he is ok with it. And if the ummah agree that all Hadiths are wrong, he will be ok with it. LEAVE EVERYTHING FOR THE ULUMA folk have no brain or logic

 

[Sheikh Google]

Man, at this point I am just gonna have to stay ignorant because I am tired of this mental gymnastics,

 

[Sheikh Google]

Me with my popcorn watching a classin SS thread on eye popping sahih hadith hitting everyone with left and right hooks.

We got a classic stew mixing over here, from salafi retards drinking the koolaid and justifying owning a literal human being.

Add a dash of cognitive dissonance from your layman farax who just wants to live in ignorance, but he's morals are much better than the sand niggas he was told to emulate from young (if you find it disgusting to own a human being than congratulations you are a better human being than your hero's as they say).

Now we wait for dessert when a nigga will chime in and say SS should not be discussing such nuanced topics. As if once again their is nuance in owning a human being lmaoooo.

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[Danakiil]

Me with my popcorn watching a classin SS thread on eye popping sahih hadith hitting everyone with left and right hooks.

We got a classic stew mixing over here, from salafi retards drinking the koolaid and justifying owning a literal human being.

Add a dash of cognitive dissonance from your layman farax who just wants to live in ignorance, but he's morals are much better than the sand niggas he was told to emulate from young (if you find it disgusting to own a human being than congratulations you are a better human being than your hero's as they say).

Now we wait for dessert when a nigga will chime in and say SS should not be discussing such nuanced topics. As if once again their is nuance in owning a human being lmaoooo.

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[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

Do you know what a contradiction is? This goes against the deen we've been taught.
This Hadith is irrelevant to me as I'm not a slave but it makes no sense.

I'll stick with this. If I wanted to believe a human could be between me and Allah swt, I would be a christian but alhamdulilah that I'm a Muslim and we have no contradictions in the Quran, the word of Allah swt.

Are you an specialist in the field of hadith or tafsiir? Both hadith from Nasai and Muslim were graded sahih, if the hadith did contradict the quran it wouldn't be graded sahih probably

"Warning against odd and weird reports. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “At the end of time there will be liars and charlatans who will bring ahaadeeth that neither you nor your forefathers ever heard. Beware of them and stay away from them, and do not let them mislead you or confuse you.” Narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh (7)."

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/239540/the-science-of-hadith-is-based-on-reason-and-shari-guidelines

Go read this article

 

[Garaad diinle]

This thread is sure full of fitna. The quraniyon are acting upp. Cherry picking hadith to conform
with modern day views or straight out dismissing them is becoming more popular nowadays.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

If hadiith contradicts the Quran it's Bullshit no matter who says it's real. There are so many hadiith that go against Islam and the Quran but are promotted as Sahih because of a scholarly mistake but anyone who knows the Quran knows that freeing slaves is the right way and is encouraged. As well as the fact that Aqeedah has nothing to do with freeing yourself as a slave.

 

[Qeelbax]

Me with my popcorn watching a classin SS thread on eye popping sahih hadith hitting everyone with left and right hooks.

We got a classic stew mixing over here, from salafi retards drinking the koolaid and justifying owning a literal human being.

Add a dash of cognitive dissonance from your layman farax who just wants to live in ignorance, but he's morals are much better than the sand niggas he was told to emulate from young (if you find it disgusting to own a human being than congratulations you are a better human being than your hero's as they say).

Now we wait for dessert when a nigga will chime in and say SS should not be discussing such nuanced topics. As if once again their is nuance in owning a human being lmaoooo.

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I’ll never become a gaal. I have more iman than all the murtads ever had in their life. I was taught the deen by my parents for over 10 years and though I may not act upon it completely on SSpot, it’s truly what I believe in my heart.

Religious insecurity, inferiority complex towards westerners and taking human fallacy to heart is what makes a murtad, of which I have none of.

I hope you will come back to the deen brother. Once you’re done with the high of being a western degenerate, you will go through those 7 stages of grief, not I, and I hope it guides you back to Islam. Ameen.

 

[Nikka]

Morality kulaha you murtads have no morality beyond pleasure and pain. You act as if your thoughts aren't a byproduct of being born in a liberal secular society. How about you disprove the core tenants of Islam before you start deeming Islam false.

 

[Qeelbax]

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What Sahaba kept “sex slaves”?

As for any type of slavery post islam but during the prophets time, it was coming from people of war. Muslims never attacked anyone, they only defended during that time. It’s halal to capture people on the other side.

As for ISIS, they are khwarij people who kill innocents and they have no such a thing as “spoil of war”. They are from hell. Yazidis, may allah swt help them, are victims of those bastards. They do nothing to muslims and lived on their land and practiced their religion. May allah swt curse ISIS in this life and the next.

If you have questions ask them, don’t let some dumb sspoter comments make you doubt your deen. Your iman is low, go read some quran and pray your salahs instead of wasting your time here.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

I’ll never become a gaal. I have more iman than all the murtads ever had in their life. I was taught the deen by my parents for over 10 years and though I may not act upon it completely on SSpot, it’s truly what I believe in my heart.

Religious insecurity, inferiority complex towards westerners and taking human fallacy to heart is what makes a murtad, of which I have none of.

I hope you will come back to the deen brother. Once you’re done with the high of being a western degenerate, you will go through those 7 stages of grief, not I, and I hope it guides you back to Islam. Ameen.

Some murtads think wanting clarifications on one hadith would somehow weaken the iman of true Muslims and make them apostates, this shows they never really were true believers of the deen in the first place.

 

[Danakiil]

What Sahaba kept “sex slaves”?

As for any type of slavery post islam but during the prophets time, it was coming from people of war. Muslims never attacked anyone, they only defended during that time. It’s halal to capture people on the other side.

As for ISIS, they are khwarij people who kill innocents and they have no such a thing as “spoil of war”. They are from hell. Yazidis, may allah swt help them, are victims of those bastards. They do nothing to muslims and lived on their land and practiced their religion. May allah swt curse ISIS in this life and the next.

If you have questions ask them, don’t let some dumb sspoter comments make you doubt your deen. Your iman is low, go read some quran and pray your salahs instead of wasting your time here.

You're right, sorry about the outburst earlier.