Secret Recording of Abdullahi Yusuf AUN released and Abdiqaasim

[repo]

When you put it like that, you realise AY probably had the worst ending of any Somali politician other than maybe the man who died in a Nigerian toilet but at least the Nigerian toilet man had us fight a war against Ethiopia contrary to AY who broke a 1,000s year tradition and became one of the biggest traitors in history.

He left the government you hide behind today, to wash out your incivility and savagery, and Puntland while your Hutu warlords didn't build anything for their people other than spreading Wahabi suicide bomber ideology in a sufi majority country.

Its also the reason why sufis supported the TFG. The problem with AY is that he didn't go full Assad and built a new country from the ashes.

 

[bidenkulaha]

He left the government you hide behind today, to wash out your incivility and savagery, and Puntland while your Hutu warlords didn't build anything for their people other than spreading Wahabi suicide bomber ideology in a sufi majority country. Its also the reason why sufis supported the TFG. The problem with AY is that he didn't go full Assad and built a new country from the ashes.

By the time AY was forced to resign he didn’t control more than a street in Xamar.

This is the legacy of AY

Today he rots in hell. He left no legacy.

The warlords supported AY you confused idiot. ICU cleaned up Xamar before this traitor invited xabeshi gaal to kill a Muslim government.

 

[Indeed]

Isn’t it a major sin, when you team up with disbelievers (habeshas) to fight your own muslimeeen (Somalis)?

God knows what’s happening right now while AY is in the grave.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

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Abaay abaay ,
Man was being slapped by a 5ft midget in his own presidential office I cant imagine what other abuses he got when he sat inside Ethiopian prison for 6+ years .
I cant belive the caghdeer @peacemaker tried to tell us A.Y was responsible for bringing in law and order to the south , the doqon doesnt know if A.Y seen him in Somalia he wouldve handed him to xabashis ?
Rare L for ugaas @peacemaker

 

[Rationale]

“Most Abgal believed that the ICU had been hijacked by Salafi jihadist warlords led by two Ayr/Habr Gidir sheikhs Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Ayro together with some ex-Afghanistan mujahideen and opportunistic clan warlords such as Sheikh Yusuf Mohamed Siad 'Indha Adde' (Ayr)”

Peacekeepers under fire

Ethiopia is withdrawing its troops but the transitional government is yet to start serious reconciliation efforts

www.africa-confidential.com

This is why @bidenkulaha supports them and labels Aweys an innocent man, even though he is the originator of all jihadism in Somalia.

ICU was founded by Wacbuudhan sheikh in North Muqdisho in the 90s. It grew and became a grassroot movement because of its track record of upholding Islamic values and ruling based on Sharia.

These Habar Gidir Ceyr terrorists are very smart. They used Shariif Ahmed to gain the support of Abgaal, then afterwards they discarded him and consolidated power.

ICU was literally bankrolled by Cismaan Cadani a Harti Abgaal businessman. And it's head was another Harti Abgaal Sheikh. The Ceyr clerics and generals held those positions because they were competent. Without them ICU would have not taken most of Somalia in such short term.

It was basically Hiraab Imamate 2.0. Harti Abgaal leadership and moral guidance with Ceyr military wing and generals.

 

[repo]

By the time AY was forced to resign he didn’t control more than a street in Xamar.

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This is the legacy of AY

That's good picture, it shows character and fortitude. Your Hutu people can learn from it so that you may free your land from Shabaab instead of hiding behind Ugandans.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Isn’t it a major sin, when you team up with disbelievers (habeshas) to fight your own muslimeeen (Somalis)?

God knows what’s happening right now while AY is in the grave.

The worst part is unlike the Kenyan/Ethiopian collaborators in JL/Gedo who used Ethiopia and Kenya to do the bidding of their clan wars, AY really brought in the Ethiopians to fight the most competent and Islamic government we’ve probably had in 100s of years.

Literally bringing in gaal to fight a Muslim government. Doesn’t get worse.

 

[bidenkulaha]

The man we should be remembering fondly is this man. AUN.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

He left the government you hide behind today, to wash out your incivility and savagery, and Puntland while your Hutu warlords didn't build anything for their people other than spreading Wahabi suicide bomber ideology in a sufi majority country.

Its also the reason why sufis supported the TFG. The problem with AY is that he didn't go full Assad and built a new country from the ashes.

Akhi I and ever somali appreciate the brave and wise puntlanders who kicked A.Y out of puntland .
MJs and the jebertis have other politicians whove done much more for their state and Somalia then A.Y they can be proud of .

 

[World]

ICU was ran by a council. Post the whole article instead of snippits. Prior to the invasion and according to the sources above ICU had 3 different wings, Al Shabaab was foundered by Ayrow who is himself an extension of IAIA. ICU had several leaders in its council the most prominent being Aweys and Shariif who apposed AS extremism.






Before serving as the ICU’s military wing, Al Shabaab’s origins are somewhat ambiguous. Its first leader was Aden Hashi Ayro, who had earlier joined an Islamist movement called Al Ittihad Al Islamiya (AIAI) in 1991. The AIAI disbanded in 1997. Sometime after 1997, Ayro joined what would be called the ICU, a movement within the Somali court system that sought to establish control over Somalia. Ayro may have led a loose group of AIAI militants before joining the ICU, meaning that Al Shabaab may have existed in some form before serving as the ICU’s military wing. However, Al Shabaab mainly developed as part of the ICU, and Ayro helped recruit and train its fighters. Directed by Ayro, Al Shabaab conducted brutal attacks that drew condemnation from local and international communities as well as much of the ICU leadership, including Hassan Dahir Aweys, another former AIAI member and a top ICU leader who has reportedly served as a spiritual influence for Al Shabaab. Al Shabaab’s early activities allegedly included multiple killings of international workers in Somaliland—the northwestern region of Somalia—between 2003 and 2005 as well as the disinterment of an Italian cemetery in 2005. Additionally, Al Shabaab supported the use of violent retaliation against employees of Somalia’s Transitional Federal Government (TFG) after various ICU members were assassinated in 2005, allegedly by the TFG.[5]



In mid-2006, the ICU briefly gained control of central and southern Somalia. Ayro argued for connecting the Somali struggle to a global jihadist agenda, but other ICU leaders wanted to focus on nationalist goals and creating an Islamic state in Somalia. In December 2006, United Nations-backed Ethiopian troops—along with TFG forces and competing warlords—drove the ICU out of Mogadishu. The ICU was completely crushed and formally disbanded on December 27, 2006. However, Ayro’s Al Shabaab remained active. The Ethiopian invasion of Somalia was a crucial event for Al Shabaab, stoking resentment against a foreign occupying power and allowing Al Shabaab to become the major force for resistance in Somalia after most ICU leaders—including Aweys—fled. After the invasion, Al Shabaab conducted attacks against Ethiopian and TFG forces using bombs, suicide operations, and assassinations. The group especially focused on forcing the Ethiopian troops, who remained in Somalia after the invasion, out of the country. In March 2007, African Union troops from Uganda and Burundi—forming a contingent called AMISOM—also joined the operation to stabilize Somalia, and Al Shabaab attacks targeted those troops as well.[6]

https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/al-shabaab

I posted a snippet of the article because that is what is relevant to the discussion.

You said:
ICU was ran by a council. Who lead that council? Xassan Aweys.

Al Shabab leader was connected to AIAI. Who formed the originator of terrorism in Somalia AIAI? Xassan Aweys. Ayro was his protege.

You keep saying that Al Shabab was a minority and had no power. But why accept them in the first place? Their ideologies and so called “moderates” are so different that there is bound to be conflict. Now how stupid can you be to give them the real power of the organisation by leading the military? What will those so called moderates do when Al Shabab decide to finally take control?

Xassan Aweys and the likes of him may not have wanted to expand all the way to France but he was still a terrorist and has the blood of thousands of innocents in his hands. He joined Al Shabab and only left in 2013. The only reason why he left is because he’s a power hungry warlord and didn’t get a good enough position. To this day he justifies Al Shabab suicide bombing against innocents. This is who is the so called moderate that lead ICU?

ICU was founded by Wacbuudhan sheikh in North Muqdisho in the 90s. It grew and became a grassroot movement because of its track record of upholding Islamic values and ruling based on Sharia.

ICU was literally bankrolled by Cismaan Cadani a Harti Abgaal businessman. And it's head was another Harti Abgaal Sheikh. The Ceyr clerics and generals held those positions because they were competent. Without them ICU would have not taken most of Somalia in such short term.

It was basically Hiraab Imamate 2.0. Harti Abgaal leadership and moral guidance with Ceyr military wing and generals.

Shariif already lost power before the invasion and those Ceyr Salafi jihadist clerics and generals took control of the organisation. This is why most Abgaal were against Shariif and didn’t want him to represent them.

“The Abgal will not back Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed the former ICU Executive Committee Chairman as one of their clan representatives at the NRC because he allowed Ayr leaders such as Sheikh Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Shabaab Commander Adan Hashi 'Ayro' to take control of the ICU in June last year failing to preserve the 'rightful place' of the Abgal/Mudalood/Hawiye in running Mogadishu”

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

By the time AY was forced to resign he didn’t control more than a street in Xamar.

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he looked like he was shaking it rough those days , I appreciate @repo Ppls for not inviting him back to buntland civilization.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

That's good picture, it shows character and fortitude. Your Hutu people can learn from it so that you may free your land from Shabaab instead of hiding behind Ugandans.

wa caadi Our ugandan brothers are fellow hu2us , if deni won the presidency he too wouldve been hiding behind our ugandees hutu brothers

 

[Calaami]

How many times do we have to keep going over this? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will tell you Abduallhi Yusuf (AUN) had no influence/power to bring in the Ethiopians. WHY would they? The plan was to always foster and abet the marauding clan militias, having the savages kill each other was always their policy. Wasn't it Hawiye factions who were trained & funded by the CIA, that the ICU had to dispose of? As far as I'm aware, the people of Puntland/Somaliland would be horrified at the prospect of engaging in petty street wars (Isbhaaro wars) with foreign backing, that's your shame and yours only.

The reason Ethiopia invaded was because of Meles having a possible insurgency on his hands, Amhara and Oromo were at a breaking point, what better way to redirect the heat by invading Somalia? Fair play to him, it was a success, all Ethiopians temporarily united in this endeavour.

Blame your adeers who kept insisting on having Garowe capitulate, capturing Jigjiga all the way to Addis, instead of coming to the table and being civilised, your people chose the gun, again. In typical fashion, you wanted a repeat of what transpired in the 90s. And what did that get you? You've been humiliated, castrated. I'm free sxb, there's no Habesha/AMISON here, all this is your own doing, live with it.

The strong man culture Siad Barre brought to Somalia is firm in their brains. They think the President is responsible for every single thing that happens in the country.

 

[World]

The worst part is unlike the Kenyan/Ethiopian collaborators in JL/Gedo who used Ethiopia and Kenya to do the bidding of their clan wars, AY really brought in the Ethiopians to fight the most competent and Islamic government we’ve probably had in 100s of years.

Literally bringing in gaal to fight a Muslim government. Doesn’t get worse.

Qabiil is hell of a drug, turns people from democracy loving secularists like yourself into salafi jihadist supporters.

Nigga make up your mind. Hassan Aweys called for the killing of abdirahman abdishakur and called him a kafir for supporting women’s rights. Something you often do on this forum. You would be a gaal if he ruled somalia.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

Nacala jebertis ,if @Thegoodshepherd hadnt brought shareefka to this discussion and calling him a traitor i would've enjoyed my long weekend without tormenting the majerteenis.
I hope A.Y asked for forgiveness for being responsible of destroying his country and then running to yemen to seek asylum. Anyway till next time

 

[bidenkulaha]

Qabiil is hell of a drug, turns people from democracy loving secularists like yourself into salafi jihadist supporters.

Nigga make up your mind. Hassan Aweys called for the killing of abdirahman abdishakur and called him a kafir for supporting women’s rights. Something you often do on this forum.

My ideal Somali state is Islamist democracy as an Islamist myself but I see that it’s unattainable so we have to build this cursed FGS. If you actually analysed my views you’d see I’m just a pragmatist, I want what’s best for our people. Somalia right now cannot afford islamists that sympathise with shabaab like al-ictisaam and it’s biggest partner is America so we have to become more secular to develop as a country.

You’d also see in the past I condemned Hassan Aweys for the things he’s said/done after the collapse of the ICU. I am defending his record before Shabaab basically. Regardless he’s under house arrest anyway so you can get off his nuts.

 

[Calaami]

My ideal Somali state is Islamist democracy as an Islamist myself but I see that it’s unattainable so we have to build this cursed FGS. If you actually analysed my views you’d see I’m just a pragmatist, I want what’s best for our people. Somalia right now cannot afford islamists that sympathise with shabaab like al-ictisaam and it’s biggest partner is America so we have to become more secular to develop as a country.

You’d also see in the past I condemned Hassan Aweys for the things he’s said/done after the collapse of the ICU. I am defending his record before Shabaab basically. Regardless he’s under house arrest anyway so you can get off his nuts.

I believe in an Islamist state as well but their aqeedah gotta be right

We’ve seen too many warlords with imaamaad giving rulings out of their ass.

 

[bidenkulaha]

I believe in an Islamist state as well but their aqeedah gotta be right

We’ve seen too many warlords with imaamaad giving rulings out of their ass.

If this FGS actually enforced the Islamic laws they claim to follow then we wouldn’t even need to hope for one.

Kulaha ‘dastuurka is based on Islamic sharia’ and you have half the city chewing on drugs.

 

[Rationale]

I posted a snippet of the article because that is what is relevant to the discussion.

You said:
ICU was ran by a council. Who lead that council? Xassan Aweys.

Al Shabab leader was connected to AIAI. Who formed the originator of terrorism in Somalia AIAI? Xassan Aweys. Ayro was his protege.

You keep saying that Al Shabab was a minority and had no power. But why accept them in the first place? Their ideologies and so called “moderates” are so different that there is bound to be conflict. Now how stupid can you be to give them the real power of the organisation by leading the military? What will those so called moderates do when Al Shabab decide to finally take control?

Xassan Aweys and the likes of him may not have wanted to expand all the way to France but he was still a terrorist and has the blood of thousands of innocents in his hands. He joined Al Shabab and only left in 2013. The only reason why he left is because he’s a power hungry warlord and didn’t get a good enough position. To this day he justifies Al Shabab suicide bombing against innocents. This is who is the so called moderate that lead ICU?

Shariif already lost power before the invasion and those Ceyr Salafi jihadist clerics and generals took control of the organisation. This is why most Abgaal were against Shariif and didn’t want him to represent them.

“The Abgal will not back Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed the former ICU Executive Committee Chairman as one of their clan representatives at the NRC because he allowed Ayr leaders such as Sheikh Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Shabaab Commander Adan Hashi 'Ayro' to take control of the ICU in June last year failing to preserve the 'rightful place' of the Abgal/Mudalood/Hawiye in running Mogadishu”

Empty words, ICU was meritocracy before the organisations split into moderates and the radicals(gained huge base because of the invasion) it was not possible for qabiil to take it over and that is precisly why it became so powerful. "Abgaal will not support Sheikh Shariif" kulahaa. Who are they to speak for Abgaal?

Shariif already lost power before the invasion and those Ceyr Salafi jihadist clerics and generals took control of the organisation. This is why most Abgaal were against Shariif and didn’t want him to represent them.

Funny how your article is supposed to be a source for Shariif losing power before the invasion when the articles Headline is this.

Yes after the invasion Alshabaab wing got almost zero support from Abgaals. And your articles premise of "Abgaal will not support Shariif" became historically inaccurate since Shariif enjoyed unconditional support from Abgaals when he took arms against shabaab.

The argument is so poorly put together that it's hard to believe it was in a respected journal like "Africa confidential"

 

[peacemaker]

Abaay abaay ,
Man was being slapped by a 5ft midget in his own presidential office I cant imagine what other abuses he got when he sat inside Ethiopian prison for 6+ years .
I cant belive the caghdeer @peacemaker tried to tell us A.Y was responsible for bringing in law and order to the south , the doqon doesnt know if A.Y seen him in Somalia he wouldve handed him to xabashis ?
Rare L for ugaas @peacemaker

Ugaas woke went from being peaceful to being a Doqon dameer with cheap insults

HAG worked with him, Geedi stood next to him and support the endeavour, do your think he would have done it without HAG support? why do we blame him as if he did it with out support or knowledge from HAG bro?

Dameerka woke seems to make it look as if the habashi were invited by yusuf, dude you literally had a PM HAG calling the moryaan warlords animals

and yes, xamar was a chimpanzee zoo, with wild animals that needed taming, Geedi said so

why didn't the donkey chimpanzees built a government since they had the capital for 15 years?