Shirka Golaha Wadatashiga Qaran Muqdisho

[Pastoralist]

You think Laftagareen and QQ weren't hostages under Farmaajo? from their (bloody) elections until the very end? The reason both talk and behave the way they do now is because they are free from the shackles of the retard dictator who believed he was afweyne reincarnated

So you think if SNA wasn’t sitting on KGS’s election venue site, LG would still be there? Highly doubtful of that, considering the clan fight which erupted with them.

Dozen killed in a fighting in Barawe as clan-based conflict escalates in Somalia

MOGADISHU (HORN OBSERVER) – A heavy gunfight broke out on Monday afternoon in the coastal town of Barawe in Somalia's Lower Shabelle region, resulting in more than 10 deaths and multiple injuries, according to local sources.

hornobserver.com

 

[Jungle]

So you think if SNA wasn’t sitting on KGS’s election venue site, LG would still be there? Highly doubtful of that, considering the clan fight which erupted with them.

https://hornobserver.com/articles/2...e-as-clan-based-conflict-escalates-in-Somalia

What are you talking about. When Laftagareen held federal elections there were SNA present. You speak as if SNA are HSM personal militia. Its the national army

Galmudug Vs ASWJ: The Guriceel War. Latest Updates.

This is developing, ASWJ know SNA and GSF (Galmudug State Forces) will come and take over Guriceel very soon. So they are preparing to defend themselves. This is not good for the locals of the town it’s a best if ASWJ take it to the outskirts not inside the town. Guriceel is a business hub for...

www.somalispot.com

^^ 600+ hg dead within a few weeks on both sides with farmaajo using the military, nisa, police flying them from xamar luckily most of the posters in that thread are still here

@TekNiKo Xaad lee dahay adeerka villa somalia intow joogay dadkiis wax u ma qabanin lkn habarta ow isku dhameeyay

 

[Pastoralist]

What are you talking about. When Laftagareen held federal elections there were SNA present. You speak as if SNA are HSM personal militia. Its the national army

Galmudug Vs ASWJ: The Guriceel War. Latest Updates.

This is developing, ASWJ know SNA and GSF (Galmudug State Forces) will come and take over Guriceel very soon. So they are preparing to defend themselves. This is not good for the locals of the town it’s a best if ASWJ take it to the outskirts not inside the town. Guriceel is a business hub for...

www.somalispot.com

^^ 600+ hg dead within a few weeks on both sides with farmaajo using the military, nisa, police flying them from xamar luckily most of the posters in that thread are still here

@TekNiKo Xaad lee dahay adeerka villa somalia intow joogay dadkiis wax u ma qabanin lkn habarta ow isku dhameeyay

yes he shouldn’t even be president of that region to begin with.

Doesn’t matter the make up those troops, rx that haven’t turned on LG just think of it as Hawiye troops. Don’t misunderstand, hsm is not in the wrong for anything he does to LG, he can hold him hostage, that’s perfectly fine. After he gave his voice to Ethiopia, it was over for him. You don’t see me saying “free him”.

 

[Pastoralist]

FGS desperately wants JL to return so much that they’re thinking of asking SSC-k to take part in the meetings.

personally, all this disrespect towards the state that loves Somalia the most is alarming. SSC should request that abdirisaq Mohamed be deposed for the map and salah jama the same for constantly trying to bar them from getting closer to the FGS.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Xasan Sheekh has forgotten that Somalia's post Mbagathi political system is one based on political consensus. The 2012 constitution and the FGS it gave birth to were created on that basis.

Why is this?
It is based on political consensus because our system is fundamentally not democratic. None of our MPs, senators, prime ministers or presidents have been elected. We have no idea what actions taken by the executive & judicial branches of the FGS have majority support among Somalia's citizenry.

Why is our system not democratic?
Our system is not democratic because the FGS has failed to defeat Alshabab.

Xasan Sheekh is trying to shift Somalia away from a consensus based political system to a new political system without gaining consensus for said shift.

This is a dangerous thing to do in a country like Somalia because:

• we have no institutions to resolve constitutional disagreement
• we can't hold elections/referendums to find out what most Somalis want

What does all of this mean?

 

[AlteKartel]

Xasan Sheekh has forgotten that Somalia's post Mbagathi political system is one based on political consensus. The 2012 constitution and the FGS it gave birth to were created on that basis.

Why is this?
It is based on political consensus because our system is fundamentally not democratic. None of our MPs, senators, prime ministers or presidents have been elected. We have no idea what actions taken by the executive & judicial branches of the FGS have majority support among Somalia's citizenry.

Why is our system not democratic?
Our system is not democratic because the FGS has failed to defeat Alshabab.

Xasan Sheekh is trying to shift Somalia away from a consensus based political system to a new political system without gaining consensus for said shift.

This is a dangerous thing to do in a country like Somalia because:

• we have no institutions to resolve constitutional disagreement
• we can't hold elections/referendums to find out what most Somalis want

What does all of this mean?


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Spot on. Even as someone who isn’t necessarily a fan of federalism (as currently implemented in Somalia) I don’t see the point of trying to strong arm a constitution through without consensus from all major stakeholders. Either you fail and weaken the foundations of an already fragile state or you create a culture where the man at the top can change how the country is run on a mere whim. Regardless of how you feel about the changes, it’s not anyway to run a country, let alone Somalia.

If he was going to finish the constitution he should’ve parlayed his political capital into finalizing banaadir status and securing governmental representation in a post-4.5 Somalia like he said he would. That would’ve benefitted his qabiil more in the long run rather than by trying to centralize election oversight and change our governmental structure.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Spot on. Even as someone who isn’t necessarily a fan of federalism (as currently implemented in Somalia) I don’t see the point of trying to strong arm a constitution through without consensus from all major stakeholders. Either you fail and weaken the foundations of an already fragile state or you create a culture where the man at the top can change how the country is run on a mere whim. Regardless of how you feel about the changes, it’s not anyway to run a country, let alone Somalia.

If he was going to finish the constitution he should’ve parlayed his political capital into finalizing banaadir status and securing governmental representation in a post-4.5 Somalia like he said he would. That would’ve benefitted his qabiil more in the long run rather than by trying to centralize election oversight and change our governmental structure.

It's hubris. It's not understanding the fundamental limits to your power.
What Puntland has when compared to the FGS and Somaliland is the humility of small goals. Compare the grandiose ambitions of Farmaajo, Biixi, and Xasan Sheekh to the small goals that Deni has.

Farmaajo and Xasan Sheekh: I won't leave Villa Somalia until one man - one vote elections are held nationwide, Alshabab be damned

Biixi: I will reinstitute, by force, a 410 km long border that ceased to exist 63 years ago

Deni: Puntland should run its local elections, three parties for all of Somalia is too few, foreign aid should not be linked to political disagreements


Who is living in our reality and who is living in khayaali?

 

[DR OSMAN]

It's hubris. It's not understanding the fundamental limits to your power.
What Puntland has when compared to the FGS and Somaliland is the humility of small goals. Compare the grandiose ambitions of Farmaajo, Biixi, and Xasan Sheekh to the small goals that Deni has.

Farmaajo and Xasan Sheekh: I won't leave Villa Somalia until one man - one vote elections are held nationwide, Alshabab be damned

Biixi: I will reinstitute, by force, a 410 km long border that ceased to exist 63 years ago

Deni: Puntland should run its local elections, three parties for all of Somalia is too few, foreign aid should not be linked to political disagreements


Who is living in our reality and who is living in khayaali?

That's why I support PL as a whole small steps is an evolutionary principle basically a law of the actual earth we live in, nothing grandiose can be done without small steps just like a full adult cannot come into being without starting small, this is a universal damn law noone can escape and as u wisely pointed to SL and Hamar hold onto totally opposite grandiose view points lol.

But is that a bad thing for us? well I don't think so because it only harms their well being in the long run going against universal principles which can be good thing for us.

 

[Pastoralist]

If we’re judging by Hassan’s own actions, JL leaving the NCC talks is the biggest blow to DJ’s presidency yet. He begged James swan to go fetch madobe, which failed. On October 22nd he also begged Ruto to get madobe to go to NCC. Ruto saw madobe on October 25th. That also failed. Qaramada midobe iyo Kenya wuhu uu malaynaya iinay dowladis kaladka ka sixi karaan. Madoobe siyasadiis wuu adkaastay.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

It's hubris. It's not understanding the fundamental limits to your power.
What Puntland has when compared to the FGS and Somaliland is the humility of small goals. Compare the grandiose ambitions of Farmaajo, Biixi, and Xasan Sheekh to the small goals that Deni has.

Farmaajo and Xasan Sheekh: I won't leave Villa Somalia until one man - one vote elections are held nationwide, Alshabab be damned

Biixi: I will reinstitute, by force, a 410 km long border that ceased to exist 63 years ago

Deni: Puntland should run its local elections, three parties for all of Somalia is too few, foreign aid should not be linked to political disagreements


Who is living in our reality and who is living in khayaali?

State building is a coercive process, the idea of two groups agreeing on all important matters is unrealistic let alone five or six.

Whether Hassan Sheikh succeeds or not (I don't think he has the resources to) is another matter. Whether Muse Bixi succeeds or not is another matter also but the idea that compulsion being used in state building is not controversial, it's a part of the process. The Somali context is not unique, if groups reject being part of a process no state will form or you will have the state operating in some parts and not in other parts. In the Somaglian case if HSM can stablize Mogadishu and some central regions that's good enough.

Puntland's aspirations have already failed; the IC accepted HSM's constitutional changes and Puntland's absence from NCC was not even noted last time in the UNSOM remarks to the UNSC.

 

[Pastoralist]

 

[MuseGuud]

Waa maxay calaacalku

 

[TheLand]

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Eebow waa kutuuga

 

[Pastoralist]

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He chose to leave everything behind himself when going with a new constitution that had 0 consensus.