Should Somalia adopt confederalism ?

[TheLand]

No, the entire campaign is a collaborative effort.

They objectively are. Having allies is a part of the influence FGS has.

Iraqi forces didn't fight ISIS by themselves, they had heavg American/Iranian support but that doesn't discredit Iraq's government.

They are objectively not. I don’t think you know the meaning of the word. They were clearly humiliated by JL forces. They have clearly regressed since Farmaajo but I doubt you paid attention back then. They ran away from battle and you want to tell us they’ve improved

For you to try to obfuscate and try to claim credit for Xawaadle macawiisley successes again shabab and claim that SNA had anything to do with it shows just how dishonest you are.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Are states better or worse off under the current central government. Its a simple question with a simple answer.

Their worse off obviously, you pose this question in totally the wrong way. The problem is on both sides, the states will always resist a national government every single time while the national government somehow gets leaders like HSM to rule over it.

This entire structure, this relationship between the states and the central government will never succeed at all and it was designed that way. It was designed that way so qabilists can be against the national government every time and resist development.

The collapse in the Galmudug front showed that long before Ras Kambooni, Madoobe even did a speech chastising the SNA.

The Galmudug campaign was a disaster and you arent accounting for the reversed gains made by AS nor the causes of defeat for the SNA. The president lost control of the army with some sections abstaining entirely sabotaging eachother over clan/politics.

JL has fully secured the road to Afmadow where AS would hold an economic sanction on the people of JL. Aswell as liberated from Cabdalle Biroole to Lagta Caanoole or Wadajir. Effectively securing the coast and pushing AS another 80-90KM of road west into Badhaadhe district. Afmadows road alone is 115km this is not including the section to Dhoobley which has largely been secured aswell. JL achieved this without arming clan militias and reduced drone usage.

Again this is a problem caused by HSM and this system of 4.5 and stuff.

Good JL has done some liberations, But im you also know that if we had a united cohesive government force working together, al shabaab wouldnt even exist at all. Its a Fucked up there is simply no right side in situation and anyone without a bias would know this Wallahi It was designed this way by ethiopians and foreigners

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

No, the entire campaign is a collaborative effort.

They objectively are. Having allies is a part of the influence FGS has.

Iraqi forces didn't fight ISIS by themselves, they had heavg American/Iranian support but that doesn't discredit Iraq's government.

FGS is completely broken The entire system is broken Everything is broken Its broken I dont even like to say FGS because it reminds me of the failours of the 'federal' government. Also true this guy @TheLand always piggy backing off others while providing no real arguements. I thought zak12 was MJ too so if he is just proves my point

 

[Zak12]

They have clearly regressed

Imagine thinking SNA was better under the guy who couldn't lift a finger against Shabab lol. Keep yapping. SNA is stronger than it ever was under Farmaajo.

and try to claim credit for Xawaadle macawiisley

Collaborative effort. Learn how military campaigns work.

 

[TheLand]

FGS is completely broken The entire system is broken Everything is broken Its broken I dont even like to say FGS because it reminds me of the failours of the 'federal' government. Also true this guy @TheLand always piggy backing off others while providing no real arguements. I thought zak12 was MJ too so if he is just proves my point

I posted a document with facts and figures from the WB to back up what I was saying in this thread and you want to tell me I don’t provide an ‘argument’ lol. You kids kill me. Why don’t you try doing some research or reading instead of babbling on.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

I posted a document with facts and figures from the WB to back up what I was saying in this thread and you want to tell me I don’t provide an ‘argument’ lol. You kids kill me. Why don’t you try doing some research or reading instead of babbling on.

Call us kids all you want but the reality is that the majority of us are fed up, Were fed up of this never ending crap, now let me look through the Ceerigaabo thread. Hopefully they or you didnt hate on slanders so much. Let me remind you there are many isaaq people who support a united somalia so insult the individual and their ideas. Not the group,

 

[TheLand]

Imagine thinking SNA was better under the guy who couldn't lift a finger against Shabab lol. Keep yapping. SNA is stronger than it ever was under Farmaajo.


Collaborative effort. Learn how military campaigns work.

You are a pathetic liar. Shame on you. @Step a side Look at this guy trying to claim sna is stronger today than it was under farmaajo. Neither of us are fans of his but this is totally false, considering haramcad and gorgor just surrendered in ras kambooni. This negro is also trying to give credit for xawaadle macawiisley success to SNA and saying it was ‘collaborative’ when HSM didn’t do shit to help them and still hasn’t

 

[Zak12]

You are a pathetic liar

Where did I lie? I only ever talked about the FGS capabilities which includes SNA and their allies. All you are doing is strawmanning in an attempt to salvage what little argument you have.

you. @Step a side Look at this guy

Ahahahaha, still hiding behind others, have some shame already.

 

[Step a side]

You are a pathetic liar. Shame on you. @Step a side Look at this guy trying to claim sna is stronger today than it was under farmaajo. Neither of us are fans of his but this is totally false, considering haramcad and gorgor just surrendered in ras kambooni. This negro is also trying to give credit for xawaadle macawiisley success to SNA and saying it was ‘collaborative’ when HSM didn’t do shit to help them and still hasn’t

HSM didn’t even build a single toilet. Kheyre build the SNA from scratch.

 

[TheLand]

Where did I lie? I only ever talked about the FGS capabilities which includes SNA and their allies. All you are doing is strawmanning in an attempt to salvage what little argument you have.

Ahahahaha, still hiding behind others, have some shame already.

You lied about XL macawiisley and you lied about SNA being stronger today than it was under Farmaajo. Others will see what a liar you are, don't cry.

 

[TheLand]

HSM didn’t even build a single toilet. Kheyre build the SNA from scratch.

Imagine Gorgor and Haramcad surrendering to Kenya and then claiming they are stronger now than they were back then. This kid is sick

 

[Zak12]

You lied about XL macawiisley and you lied about SNA being stronger today than it was under Farmaajo. Others will see what a liar you are, don't cry.

All false. Sad, accusing others of lying without evidence.

 

[TheLand]

All false. Sad, accusing others of lying without evidence.

It's right there for all to see kid. Don't run from it now

 

[Zak12]

It's right there for all to see kid. Don't run from it now

 

[TheLand]

 

[Zak12]

 

[Devilsadvocate]

What’s the point of discussing federalism or confederalism when the root problem is the one that needs the most attention? It’s qabil, and qabil alone. People want us to move to confederalism, where leaders will do a mini version of 4.5. I’m sick and tired of qabil being the only criteria for governance in Somalia. The situation will only progress, whether through a single government, federalism, or confederalism, when qabil is completely eradicated from the political system in a way that eliminates discrimination. Also, shame on a lot of you guys on here; some of you act like using slurs to describe fellow Somalis is normal, but you would never do so in real life because that would ruin your image in the Somali community.