Should Somalia adopt confederalism ?

[Varriris]

Literally none of what you just said is true. Try to do some research next time. Tired of you kids just making stuff up and throwing it out there.

Garowe is a shithole, it must tiring to have to pretend that the political culture in PL is radically different than the one in Xamar

 

[Zak12]

You can say the exact same thing about FGS

SNA are stationed across central Somalia and stretched out as is. More importantly, FGS has been noticeably getting stronger and stronger and will be further bolstered by Egyptian support while JL stayed the same for 20 years. They aren't remotely the same situation.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Garowe is a shithole, it must tiring to have to pretend that the political culture in PL is radically different than the one in Xamar

be careful in what you say Varriris, Its not entirely like the way you descibe it, but it certainly isnt prospering either.

Just like the rest of somalia, their developing... at a really slow rate. In all honesty if you were to compare the major cities of somalia, they all look basically the same. They have a good downtown with new highrises, they have walled houses, shops malls in the cbd, patches of jingad. I mean, their so similar you could probably make a city model that would fit every city in somali areas.

The only exception is Djibouti, now Im a person who uses maps a lot and their layout is top notch, it has so much potential but even with a stable but extremely corrupt government just look at what they've managed to do.

Hargeisa, I believe their on their way to buildng a second ring road, galbeed towns sadly their under occupation but their still developing with the stability with no aid from the ethiopia colonizer state. Garowe is also developing their road network too, they have a couple developments under way.

 

[Varriris]

be careful in what you say Varriris, Its not entirely like the way you descibe it, but it certainly isnt prospering either.

Just like the rest of somalia, their developing... at a really slow rate. In all honesty if you were to compare the major cities of somalia, they all look basically the same. They have a good downtown with new highrises, they have walled houses, shops malls in the cbd, patches of jingad. I mean, their so similar you could probably make a city model that would fit every city in somali areas.

The only exception is Djibouti, now Im a person who uses maps a lot and their layout is top notch, it has so much potential but even with a stable but extremely corrupt government just look at what they've managed to do.

Hargeisa, I believe their on their way to buildng a second ring road, galbeed towns sadly their under occupation but their still developing with the stability with no aid from the ethiopia colonizer state. Garowe is also developing their road network too, they have a couple developments under way.

our youth are figuring out which dangerous migrant route they should take to escape that hellhole, from Xamar to Garowe to Hargeysa, they know they know there’s no future for them.

I don’t get why there are so many ppl who live in 1st world countries praising this & calling it progress, its very depressing

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

our youth are figuring out which dangerous migrant route they should take to escape that hellhole, from Xamar to Garowe to Hargeysa, they know they know there’s no future for them.

I don’t get why there are so many ppl who live in 1st world countries praising this & calling it progress, its very depressing

Youre right, from every city I listed there are people who are trying to leave. I met loads of them personally and its just because this current status quo, this present situation honestly has no future. It is just unsustainable and im talking about the states and national government.

Most people understand this, most people want somalia to succeed and develop cohesively and quickly together. If we are split apart and you have some cursing each other over qabil, Its just not good. This dysfunctional federal system along with 4.5 + states is not helping the situation either. It has only reinforced it.

Trying to push this idea of states being better off by themselves is idiotic,

 

[TheLand]

Garowe is a shithole, it must tiring to have to pretend that the political culture in PL is radically different than the one in Xamar

Have a look at the figures from the WB. Again, learn to do some research before running your mouth. You come across as an uneducated fool just making stuff up.

 

[TheLand]

SNA are stationed across central Somalia and stretched out as is. More importantly, FGS has been noticeably getting stronger and stronger and will be further bolstered by Egyptian support while JL stayed the same for 20 years. They aren't remotely the same situation.

Again, we just saw JL annihate the FGS’s best forces and like an autistic child you say they are getting stronger and stronger. You are correct thought that they aren’t the same situation. JL actually has some semblance of military command and control. When will you stop your pathological lies kid?

 

[Zak12]

Again, we just saw JL annihate the FGS’s best forces and like an autistic child you say they are getting stronger and stronger. You are correct thought that they aren’t the same situation. JL actually has some semblance of military command and control. When will you stop your pathological lies kid?

You missed my point completely. Not surprised given you obviously have an agenda against FGS. HSM simply came unprepared against Jubaland, nothing more. FGS already proven itself capable of eliminating Al-Shabab from much of Galmudug and Hirshabelle yet your dumbass is implying Jubaland is superior overall when they have zero ability to do anything like that.

Somalia’s Liberation War on Al-Shabaab

Progress made 21 months after President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud declared the war.

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You keep disappointing me with each of your posts. Take your meds already before you fully go schizphrenic.

 

[TheLand]

You missed my point completely. Not surprised given you obviously have an agenda against FGS. HSM simply came unprepared against Jubaland, nothing more. FGS already proven itself capable of eliminating Al-Shabab from much of Galmudug and Hirshabelle yet your dumbass is implying Jubaland is superior overall when they have zero ability to do anything like that.

Somalia’s Liberation War on Al-Shabaab

Progress made 21 months after President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud declared the war.

graphics.goobjoog.com

You keep disappointing me with each of your posts. Take your meds already before you fully go schizphrenic.

Another xaar post from you kid. HSM completely abandoned the fight against al-shabab. There are daily bombings and assassinations in Xamar let alone Galnus and Kirshabelle you are on about. This is all very well documented. Your point was that the FGS was getting stronger and that is simply false. YOU are the one with an agenda to try to lie in the so-called FGS favor. We all saw the utter humiliation in JL, I even posted a thread on it but you and others of your ilk ignored it lol. You simply came to a war of knowledge and you were unarmed. Pathetic kid, what you have is called CUQDAD and it has no meds. U dhimo.

 

[Zak12]

Another xaar post from you kid. HSM completely abandoned the fight against al-shabab. There are daily bombings and assassinations in Xamar let alone Galnus and Kirshabelle you are on about. This is all very well documented. Your point was that the FGS was getting stronger and that is simply false. YOU are the one with an agenda to try to lie in the so-called FGS favor. We all saw the utter humiliation in JL, I even posted a thread on it but you and others of your ilk ignored it lol. You simply came to a war of knowledge and you were unarmed. Pathetic kid, what you have is called CUQDAD and it has no meds. U dhimo.

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Look at that, you don't deny the fact that FGS did more damage against Al-Shabab than Jubaland ever did lmao. Al-Shabab is obviously still an issue but my point which you (repeatedly) fail to understand is how the capabilities of the SNA evolved to the point of being able to openly engage in multi-mont long capaigns against Al-Shabab hundreds of Kms away with a degree of success. Another major point is the SNA/FGS getting direct support from international partners that continue to bolster is strength and influence. Jubaland has no such connections or capabilities and has more or less stayed stagnant for 20 years. The shifting power balance is so apparant that you have to be in utter ignorance or have malice against FGS.

Somalia is Turkey's distant third theater, after Syria and Libya. Now that one is won, it moves Somalia up the list of priorities. It seems, for now, to allow them to pressure Ethiopia into doing their bidding.

I don't know why people are talking about him folding when HSM is in a relatively strong position. He got AMISOM out and more Turkey-Qatar-friendly nations deployed in Somalia in their stead. While HSM is very much overplaying his hand with Jubbaland, he is now the strongest president post-war we've had yet. Debt relief, arms embargo negotiations—he even got HSM to sign the 30-year lease on Somalia's territorial waters.

After outplaying Russia and Iran in Syria, he's doing the equivalant of camping at low levels to kill time until Trump is in office, and Turkey will likely play a key role in the Ukraine-Russia peace deal.

Turkey's also playing a role in the Sudanese civil war so Turkey's interest in Somalia as a springboard into that theatre is solidified.

When Trumps in office, the world will be way more destabilizied and fluid, so I can understand Turkey now, in Syria and it seems Somalia, to try and "solve" as many of their theatres before hand.

When it comes to the US and Somaliland, anything Somaliland can offer, Djibouti already has. The US clearly has put their lot in with the FGS and honestly for good reason, the last two countries, not that far away Eritrea and South Sudan ended up complete failures. Besides Somalia once pacified just is larger springboard.

Besides the US already has bases on and off record all around Somalia.

you have is called CUQDAD

Why yes, blame me for supporting our federal government. Your xaasid behavior is trulu through the roof.

 

[Removed]

Youre right, from every city I listed there are people who are trying to leave. I met loads of them personally and its just because this current status quo, this present situation honestly has no future. It is just unsustainable and im talking about the states and national government.

Most people understand this, most people want somalia to succeed and develop cohesively and quickly together. If we are split apart and you have some cursing each other over qabil, Its just not good. This dysfunctional federal system along with 4.5 + states is not helping the situation either. It has only reinforced it.

Trying to push this idea of states being better off by themselves is idiotic,

Are states better or worse off under the current central government. Its a simple question with a simple answer.

You can only deal with what exists. Wanting more states was an opinion i’ve had on here for years it doesnt speak to the relationship the current states should have with the existing central government.

Again, we just saw JL annihate the FGS’s best forces and like an autistic child you say they are getting stronger and stronger. You are correct thought that they aren’t the same situation. JL actually has some semblance of military command and control. When will you stop your pathological lies kid?

The collapse in the Galmudug front showed that long before Ras Kambooni, Madoobe even did a speech chastising the SNA.

You missed my point completely. Not surprised given you obviously have an agenda against FGS. HSM simply came unprepared against Jubaland, nothing more. FGS already proven itself capable of eliminating Al-Shabab from much of Galmudug and Hirshabelle yet your dumbass is implying Jubaland is superior overall when they have zero ability to do anything like that.

Somalia’s Liberation War on Al-Shabaab

Progress made 21 months after President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud declared the war.

graphics.goobjoog.com

You keep disappointing me with each of your posts. Take your meds already before you fully go schizphrenic.

The Galmudug campaign was a disaster and you arent accounting for the reversed gains made by AS nor the causes of defeat for the SNA. The president lost control of the army with some sections abstaining entirely sabotaging eachother over clan/politics.

JL has fully secured the road to Afmadow where AS would hold an economic sanction on the people of JL. Aswell as liberated from Cabdalle Biroole to Lagta Caanoole or Wadajir. Effectively securing the coast and pushing AS another 80-90KM of road west into Badhaadhe district. Afmadows road alone is 115km this is not including the section to Dhoobley which has largely been secured aswell. JL achieved this without arming clan militias and reduced drone usage.

 

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Surrender is nothing new for the SNA.

Domestically trained troops are proving to be significantly more effective then those taken abroad. Danab is the only exception and thats because its completely run by the US with drone support.

 

[TheLand]

Look at that, you don't deny the fact that FGS did more damage against Al-Shabab than Jubaland ever did lmao. Al-Shabab is obviously still an issue but my point which you (repeatedly) fail to understand is how the capabilities of the SNA evolved to the point of being able to openly engage in multi-mont long capaigns against Al-Shabab hundreds of Kms away with a degree of success. Another major point is the SNA/FGS getting direct support from international partners that continue to bolster is strength and influence. Jubaland has no such connections or capabilities and has more or less stayed stagnant for 20 years. The shifting power balance is so apparant that you have to be in utter ignorance or have malice against FGS.




Why yes, blame me for supporting our federal government. Your xaasid behavior is trulu through the roof.

See @Removed post above. I have no interest in breaking this down to an cuqdad ridden fool like you.

 

[TheLand]

Surrender is nothing new for the SNA.
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Domestically trained troops are proving to be significantly more effective then those taken abroad. Danab is the only exception and thats because its completely run by the US with drone support.

Cowsweyne and many other incidents are perfect examples but this kid @Zak12 is a dishonest hutu supremacist who has the gall to act like SNA didn’t just run into refugee camps in Kenya rather than fight

 

[Zak12]

See @Removed post above. I have no interest in breaking this down to an cuqdad ridden fool like you.

>no argument
Why am I not surprised?

 

[TheLand]

>no argument
Why am I not surprised?

Nothing to argue about. Cuqdadaada udhimo sxb.

 

[Zak12]

The Galmudug campaign was a disaster

To call it a disaster is being overely harsh for the sake of it. It wasn't the grand success they were hoping it to be but the fact that Shabab was cleared away from much of central Somalia shows the improvements made in the military capabilities of SNA whereas before they have barely ever engaged with Al-Shabab. That is the important point I wanted to illustrate.

 

[Zak12]

Nothing to argue about. Cuqdadaada udhimo sxb.

Shoo shoo, doqon

 

[TheLand]

Shoo shoo, doqon

Iska aamus dhaandhaanyahow waa isceebeysay

 

[TheLand]

To call it a disaster is being overely harsh for the sake of it. It wasn't the grand success they were hoping it to be but the fact that Shabab was cleared away from much of central Somalia shows the improvements made in the military capabilities of SNA whereas before they have barely ever engaged with Al-Shabab. That is the important point I wanted to illustrate.

So then explain why they got destroyed by JL if they made such improvements then? I dare you.