Should the federal states each secede?

[Sufiyan]

@sufyan you are a coward and real muslims fear only god, stop your threats cus you will never ever amount to anything. How can i take you serious when you live in the west acting hard behind a screen i eat your types for breakfast without breaking a sweat dude

These are not threats. These are promises. Do you deny that Islam will prevail over the horn??? Do you deny that the khilafah of the Mahdi will not only encompass the entire middle east but also the majority of Africa including the horn??? Will you fight against the "khariji" mahdi as well because you want independent reign of your own dusty little tuulo???

So preaching the haqq is 'acting hard behind a screen' now??? Living in the west invalidates my saying that Islam should prevail and rule over Somalia??? You have a problem with that??? Wallah I say the things I say on here in the real world with no filter. Now this khat fueled jahil was calling me a keyboard warrior and is saying he eats my 'types' for breakfast??? Its easy to talk a big mans game online but its a whole different story when you are looking up at me and I could easily curl your weight with one arm.

 

[Sufiyan]

I am straight but lived my life in Middle East where I studied Islam history and countries since grade 1 to 12 and Muslim but you are victim of extremists.

Then you might want to get yourself a refund. There is no nationalism in Islam. Full stop. A nation ruled by Islam is the home of all Muslims regardless of where they came from. But I guess that is extremism to you isnt it?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

These are not threats. These are promises. Do you deny that Islam will prevail over the horn??? Do you deny that the khilafah of the Mahdi will not only encompass the entire middle east but also the majority of Africa including the horn??? Will you fight against the "khariji" mahdi as well because you want independent reign of your own dusty little tuulo???

So preaching the haqq is 'acting hard behind a screen' now??? Living in the west invalidates my saying that Islam should prevail and rule over Somalia??? You have a problem with that??? Wallah I say the things I say on here in the real world with no filter. Now this khat fueled jahil was calling me a keyboard warrior and is saying he eats my 'types' for breakfast??? Its easy to talk a big mans game online but its a whole different story when you are looking up at me and I could easily curl your weight with one arm.

War affkada ilaali Puntland dusty tuulo maxa ka dhigey? War nimco iyo barwaqo ba Taalo boowe see weeye, war don't let me pull out my sword bradar lol

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Its easy to talk a big mans game online but its a whole different story when you are looking up at me and I could easily curl your weight with one arm.

 

[Sufiyan]

War affkada ilaali Puntland dusty tuulo maxa ka dhigey? War nimco iyo barwaqo ba Taalo boowe see weeye, war don't let me pull out my sword bradar lol

Calm down akh. I didnt even know he was from puntland when saying it. All these regions that want to secede from the jama'ah of the Muslims are dusty tuulos that can never hope to stand on their own as modernized and post-industrialized nations and should certainly not expect any baraqah from Allah ta'alah.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Why don't you believe Somalis should be United? Why are you ignoring my question yet you're pm'ing me asking me question about my mahdab?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

How comes there's a few mj secessionist mofo in this joint, I never see you mofo in real life, I mean where you be at is only online.

 

[King-of-GODEEY]

Move the capital away from that region to more neutral areas

 

[Paidmonk]

War affkada ilaali Puntland dusty tuulo maxa ka dhigey? War nimco iyo barwaqo ba Taalo boowe see weeye, war don't let me pull out my sword bradar lol

PL is prosperous region that has huge potential,ask the khawarij terrorist suufyaan what is his tuulo? he wont mention it .

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

War affkada ilaali Puntland dusty tuulo maxa ka dhigey? War nimco iyo barwaqo ba Taalo boowe see weeye, war don't let me pull out my sword bradar lol

PL is prosperous region that has huge potential,ask the khawarij terrorist suufyaan what is his tuulo? he wont mention it .

I've just seen you on a thread condoning those hawiye girls being sent as maids to Saudi smh qasaaro.com.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

[QUOT@Damu

Why don't you believe Somalis should be United? Why are you ignoring my question yet you're pm'ing me asking me question about my mahdab?

Because they were never united into a single entity before the colonists. Why do folks act as if "somali unity" is written in the quran? Its not up to what Damu or you want, reality is we cant function as a country and might as well try to live with each other as neighbors in peace.

 

[Hafez]

@Canuck, you are ignorant about the religion of Islam, please don’t speak about the religion, wax ma ka taqaanid, even history. You claim that Imam Bukhari’s ahadith are fabricated since he was ‘blind’, first of all, he was not ‘blind’ throughout his whole life, just in his childhood. He compiled his books in solitude, how could he have been blind throughout his entire life?

The kutub as sittah of ahadith are not fabricated, ahadith that can be found in Bukhari can also be found in Imam Malik’s (RH) muwatta and Ahmed ibn Hanbal (RH)’s musnad that were written before the authors of kuttub as sittah.

You guys are calling brother @Sufiyan ‘khawaarij’ but you don’t even know what that means or who the ahadith about the khawaarij were about. The ‘khawaarij’ are mainly the murders of Ali, they are the army that opposed Ali (RA) and claimed he wasn’t leading according to the Qur’an and Sunnah (which was false and rebuked intelligently by many Sahaba and scholars such as Abu Hanifa (RH)) who was a tabi’ btw. The khawaarij would walk around asking people about questions of aqeedah, when they got it wrong, they chopped their heads off. The khawaarij deemed anyone who commits a major sin to be a kafir, etc. You don’t even know what khawaarij is.

The people closest to the khawaarij in ‘aqeedah are the Ibadiyuun (who are mainly found in Oman) and the takfiris.

@Canuck the ahadith about Khawaarij were a prophecy mainly about a people that would come in the era of the taabi’een. They were known for their lengthy recitations, shaving of head, lengthy prostrations, etc. but they of course, had no ikhlaas.

I know the chain of narrations for all of the ahadith you’ve recited and the bios of the narrators can be found in Imam Bukhari’s taarikh al kabir and al dhahabis tadhib tahdiib al kamaal.

Of course there are khawaarij today, I’m not denying that, but you don’t even know what makes one a khawaarij. Also @Sufiyan is not causing strife between the Muslims, he didn’t insult other madhaahib or sects, he said you are either with us or against us, and this is correct.

Your secular ideologies will crumble and I hope it happens in our lifetime, so that you see it with your very eyes.

I dislike it when these ignoramuses act is if they’re knowledgeable about Islam. If ANY of you ‘secular’ peeps speak as though you’re knowledgeable about Islam again, I will make a thread and test you. Google search won’t help you, you will be humiliated.

Brother @Sufiyan carry on seeking knowledge and preaching the truth sxb. I’m glad you know who the real ahlul Sunnah are, not Wahhabis or people of bid’ah. A people whose only source are the Qur’an and Sunnah and don’t cherry pick from the deen, they are ahlul sunnah.

 

[Hubble]

he was not ‘blind’ throughout his whole life, just in his childhood.

So he was cured of blindness? And you have the cheek to call her stupid?

 

[Hafez]

So he was cured of blindness? And you have the cheek to call her stupid?

You don't believe Allah (SWT) can cure whomsoever he wills? All of his books were written whilst he was in solitude (such as al Adab al Mufrad), how can a blind man write by himself? His mother (RH) who was a wealthy and righteous woman prayed to Allah (SWT) to return her son's sight to him. His dad was also a muhaddith who prayed for his son to become a great scholar.

P.S. I did not call anyone stupid.

 

[Sufiyan]

I've just seen you on a thread condoning those hawiye girls being sent as maids to Saudi smh qasaaro.com.

Not only that but here is also what this khat addicted enemy of Allah ta'alah said in another post

sufiyan
i am flabbegasted that you have the audicity to suggest islamic solution which inherited us nothing more than suicide bombings of schools,restaurents and hotels and killing of children,an utter bloodshed by islamist bloodthirsty criminals you advocate,it doesnt matter if it alshabab /isis suicide bomber or moderate one.

Should we expect mercy and kindness towards the Muslims from these filthy murtadeen and munafiqeen ya akhi??? Rather these shayateen bask in our humiliation and subjugation and hope to sow discord and dissension among the Muslims. Brothers and sisters need to understand this is the classic MO of shaytaan: to cause disunity among the Muslims. The last righteous khilafah fell apart because the agents of the shaytan successfully sowed discord in the hearts of the Muslims and told the Arabs they need to secede and are better off among their own and that the turks don't need the Arabs to maintain their civilization. In the same way those shayateen destroyed the unity of the Muslims and allowed their masters to easily pick off and colonize the individual Muslim states that were formed as a result of these rebellions, these same people want to tell you that are better than another group of Muslims and are better off without them. Are we going to let history repeat itself and allow Ethiopia and Kenya and their agents do to us what the western colonialists did to the Muslim world early last century??? That is the question we need to ask ourselves. Surely we can see the Muslims who wanted to secede based on tribal and ethnic lines gained nothing but continued humiliation and subjugation at the hands of the kuffar for the better part of the last century.

 

[Zak Jingo]

f*ck Paidmonk

 

[Sufiyan]

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Brother @Sufiyan carry on seeking knowledge and preaching the truth sxb. I’m glad you know who the real ahlul Sunnah are, not Wahhabis or people of bid’ah. A people whose only source are the Qur’an and Sunnah and don’t cherry pick from the deen, they are ahlul sunnah.

Well said akh. I don't think the secularists and marxists are as dangerous as the other groups. They openly profess their kufr and readily proclaim they are our open enemies like that brainless khat ridden donkey above. The more dangerous ones are the secessionists who want to split the unity of the Muslims but only pay lip service to the shariah. We ask them to bring evidence from the quran and sunnah that gives legitimacy to their secession and independence from the jama'ah of the Muslims and they will never bring it. Instead they will opt to call you a khariji or a terrorist and other typical names. If you closely study their arguments they are based on the same secularism as the marxists and hope to establish tribal states wherein an atheist of their tribe is more welcome and has more rights in the land than a Muslim of another tribe. It is also based on this idea of the 'will of the people' even if such a will goes against the consensus of the Muslims and the deen. Such beliefs are the fundamental cornerstones of democracy and its core these people are no different to the nationalist marxists and secularists who have made it their life goal to rid the region of the deen.

 

[Zak Jingo]

Somalis are homogeneous, the moment you denounce your religion then you leave that category plain and simple. So f*ck you @Paidmonk, think twice before you comment.

 

[Hafez]

Well said akh. I don't think the secularists and marxists are as dangerous as the other groups. They openly profess their kufr and readily proclaim they are our open enemies like that brainless khat ridden donkey above. The more dangerous ones are the secessionists who want to split the unity of the Muslims but only pay lip service to the shariah. We ask them to bring evidence from the quran and sunnah that gives legitimacy to their secession and independence from the jama'ah of the Muslims and they will never bring it. Instead they will opt to call you a khariji or a terrorist and other typical names. If you closely study their arguments they are based on the same secularism as the marxists and hope to establish tribal states wherein an atheist of their tribe is more welcome and has more rights in the land than a Muslim of another tribe. It is also based on this idea of the 'will of the people' even if such a will goes against the consensus of the Muslims and the deen. Such beliefs are the fundamental cornerstones of democracy and its core these people are no different to the nationalist marxists and secularists who have made it their life goal to rid the region of the deen.

 

[Sufiyan]

The Importance of the unity of the Muslims.

Allah ta'ala has spoken on the importance of preserving the unity of the Muslims at all costs in the quran and not to disassociate from one another:
﴾And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allah (i.e. this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allah's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allah makes His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided. Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good (Islam), enjoining Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do) and forbidding Al-Munkar (polytheism and disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden). And it is they who are the successful.﴿ [3:103]

The mushrikoun hate the idea of uniting on the basis of aqeedah and tawheed as Allah ta'alah says here:

﴾He (Allah) has ordained for you the same religion (Islam) which He ordained for Nuh (Noah), and that which We have inspired in you (O Muhammad), and that which We ordained for Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses ) and 'Iesa (Jesus) saying you should establish religion (i.e. to do what it orders you to do practically), and make no divisions in it (religion) (i.e. various sects in religion). Intolerable for the Mushrikun, is that to which you (O Muhammad) call them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills, and guides unto Himself who turns to Him in repentance and in obedience.﴿ [42:13]

When we turn our back on tawheed and unity upon tawheed alone Allah ta'alah warns us destruction awaits and note the first signs of this destruction

﴾But they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allah's Book, disobeyed Allah's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allah's disobedience), and Allah will inform them of what they used to do.﴿ [5:14]

Brothers and sisters, there HAS NEVER been a time when a group of Muslims broke off from the jama'ah or main body of the Muslims and were granted prosperity and success. Rather they walked themselves into ruin and upon the path of destruction. Unlike these charlatans and enemies of Islam are trying to persuade us into believing we are better off disunited. Make no mistake these people have an agenda and are not truly your brothers and sisters even if they openly profess faith.

There are countless warnings from the sunnah on dissenting and seceding from the jama'ah of the Muslims:

Narrated by Abu Hurairah radiallahu anhu the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said:
((He who refused obedience (of an ameer proper), disavowed the Jama`ah (the mainstream Muslims), and then died, died on jahiliyyah. And he who fought blindly under a banner, getting angry for a prejudicial group, inviting to blind solidarity, or helped a prejudicial group and was killed … then, his death was a Jahiliyy [The pre-Islamic period is defined as the time of "Jahiliyya"] death.”)

In the Sunnah there is no record of any group ever deviating from the main body of the Muslims or an example we are to follow if this was indeed a valid political ideology. Even when the jama'ah has a corrupt belief and would appear that ahlus Sunnah is oppressed it is still not allowed to rebel and raise the sword against the vile innovators because of the corruption that will ensue and the danger from outside forces that could invade and decimate the weakened Muslims. We have a perfect example of this in the great shaykul Islam Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal and the ruling Mu'tazila. What then about those who want to deviate from the Muslims with the correct aqeedah and are certainly ahlus sunnah on the basis that they are of the "wrong" tribe and those who want to secede from the jama'ah out of hatred and arrogance against the Muslimeen???

The prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam warned against the tribalists and nationalists in the hadith who narrated by jubair in mut'im:
"He is not one of us who calls to tribalism. He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism. He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism".

My message to the enemies of tawheed like the shaytaan paidmonk and the extreme juhaal like at Damu, either you will repent from your ways or you will be in the fight against the true mujahideen with the correct aqeedah that aim to bring the sacred law of Allah ta'alah back to the lands and your corpses will be dragged on their faces and thrown in ditches as the angels will similarly drag you on your faces on that promised day and throw you face first into the fire. Your wealth and property will be seized while a righteous man will be governing 'your' lands with the sacred laws of Allah ta'alah. This is not a threat but a promise as the believers will always be given victory by the most high ta'alah. And I would gladly be apart of this blessed group and be at the front lines to fight you for even if I were to die I would be a shaheed inshallah. It doesn't have to be that way though. The doors of repentance will remain open until the sun rises from the west and you can choose to be apart of the Islamic revival rather than fighting against it. May Allah ta'alah guide you back to the haqq make you among that group inshallah.