Should the federal states each secede?

[Tucking_Fypo]

What do you mean different dhaqans? I have family who are Isaac, hawiye we share the same dhaqan, shaidanka Iska naar boowe.

I have not seem that and just look at how different regions are and what their issues are!
We need to go back to precolonial borders, build our own nations and maybe later on a somali nation can be built this time without colonials dictating how and what kind of nation it should be.

 

[Sufiyan]

all i am saying is if some region wants to secede and see that as in the best of their interest let them be,it is pure democracy.

F*ck your democracy. We do not have a single ounce of respect for a system that was hatched by a bunch of pagan homosexuals. You will be forced into the union with or without your consent through blood and steel. Anyone who threatens the unity of the Muslims shall not and will not be met with kind naseehah and debate but with the sword. Compromises and leniency with the agents of the shaytan is what continues to have us in this weak and depraved state.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

@Damu there are only two ways, one is divine law & the other is man made, I suggest you choose wisely.

Divine law off course with our xeer fits in

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

I have not seem that and just look at how different regions are and what their issues are!
We need to go back to precolonial borders, build our own nations and maybe later on a somali nation can be built this time without colonials dictating how and what kind of nation it should be.

Those days are gone bradar pinch yourself & wake up, don't you see that there are only two paths?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Divine law off course with our xeer fits in

Disregard my previous comment, I just clocked this, my bad.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

What worked in the distant past is no longer an option today. When you have two Xtian nations with standing armies that could number into the millions and are the open enemies of Islam and will stop at nothing to extinguish the haqq in the horn then with all due respect a sultanate of 50,000 people is simply not an option. Either you are a thinking man with a functioning brain and can see this or you are an agent of these kuffar and the only answer for people like you is the sword. It really is that simple.

Last time i checked somalis were they're own foes who should stop blaming others and fix their own problems first. Somalia was a concept forced on us by colonials which has failed time and time again, every man should should build his own backyard first so the have something to bring to the table, then a united nation could be considered.

Bring your sword dude my land is used to hypocrites hiding behind religion from sayidka to alitihad, UIC, iqwaan, hisbulislam and alshabab.

 

[Canuck]

Because you are Bantu it is ok for you to say that plus your full support to Kenya

 

[Sufiyan]

Bring your sword dude my land is used to hypocrites hiding behind religion from sayidka to alitihad, UIC, iqwaan, hisbulislam and alshabab.

Nothing more needs to be said. Your disposition with your satanic babbling in that vomit that preceded these statements have made your position clear. Claiming Muslims are their own worst enemies and have nothing to fear from two nations that have avowed to being the open enemies of Islam and stamping Islam out of the region entirely. Your agenda and who your true allies are has been manifest. Take your position. The Muslims will prevail and the true mujahideen will slaughter you and your masters bi'ithnillah lest you repent. That is not a threat but a promise.

As George Bush Jr. so eloquently put it there are only two camps in this war: us or the terrorists. There is the camp of iman and the camp of kufr. There is no camp of "Islamic secessionists" because anyone who threatens the unity of the Muslims is an open enemy of the Muslims and must be struck down. You can laugh in jest at the Muslims all day in our current weakened state and claim we will never pierce your 'strongholds' while being protected by the Xtian nations next door that you have taken as your lord but know this Islam will rise again and the conflagration will sweep the entire Horn and the deen will prevail and will certainly rule over your lands and the lands of your lords whether you like it or not. That much is certain.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

sufyan the only shaytan is you, stop hiding behind our religion, you cannot force people against their will and people wanting to mind their own and take care of their own are not kuffar or working for kuffar but the one willing to kill and force those people is.

You are a munafaq and a kwarij of the highest caliber dude go fix your house before thinking about forcing me to open up mine for you!!!

 

[Canuck]

Nothing more needs to be said. Your disposition with your satanic babbling in that vomit that preceded these statements have made your position clear. Claiming Muslims are their own worst enemies and have nothing to fear from two nations that have avowed to being the open enemies of Islam and stamping Islam out of the region entirely. Your agenda and who your true allies are has been manifest. Take your position. The Muslims will prevail and the mujahideen will slaughter you and your masters bi'ithnillah lest you repent. That is not a threat but a promise.

As George Bush Jr. so eloquently put it there are only two camps in this war: us or the terrorists. There is the camp of iman and the camp of kufr. There is no camp of "Islamic secessionists" because anyone who threatens the unity of the Muslims is an open enemy of the Muslims and must be struck down. You can laugh and ridicule the Muslims all day in our current weakened state and claim we will never pierce your 'strongholds' while being protected by the Xtian nations next door that you have taken as your lord but know this Islam will rise again and the conflagration will sweep the entire Horn and the deen will prevail and will certainly rule over your lands and the lands of your lords whether you like it or not. That much is certain.

I want Somalia for Somalis only why I have to share my country with Muslim Ethiopia who tomorrow go back to pagan. Do believe Somalia for Somalis ( reer xamar, good Bantu ) only?

 

[Sufiyan]

sufyan the only shaytan is you, stop hiding behind our religion, you cannot force people against their will and people wanting to mind their own and take care of their own are not kuffar or working for kuffar but the one willing to kill and force those people is.

You are a munafaq and a kwarij of the highest caliber dude go fix your house before thinking about forcing me to open up mine for you!!!

A braying himaar that has no respect for the deen and its fundamental principles calling me a munafiq and 'kwarij'??? yaa jahil do you even know what 'kwarij' are and what their usool or fundamental principles are or did you just hear that buzzword at your local masjid and use it against anyone who is preaching the haqq that goes against your political ideology??? The irony here is that it was the khawarij who were the first group to secede from the Muslims and the jama'ah despite the clear warnings against doing so from the prophet salllallahu alayhi wa sallam.

There is strength in unity. Strength in numbers. Strength in brotherhood. Islam fundamentally recognizes that and the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam has warned against splitting the ranks and those agents of the shayateen who wish to cause discord among the Muslims and for them to split apart and be open prey to their enemies. The wisdom behind this is so obvious that anyone with a functioning brain can see this especially in this age when we have two nations using agents such as yourself to disunite and bring hatred among the Muslims so picking off these tiny little nations that form would not even be a challenge for a standing army numbering into the millions. The only option left is that you do not have a properly functioning brain and lack the natural foresight present in all humans or you are an agent of the xtians and are enemy of the Muslims.

 

[Sufiyan]

I want Somalia for Somalis only why I have to share my country with Muslim Ethiopia who tomorrow go back to pagan. Do believe Somalia for Somalis ( reer xamar, good Bantu ) only?

No I do not. I am not in any way a nationalist. A Muslim habash has any right to live in a future Islamic Somalia as any Somali.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

A braying himaar that has no respect for the deen and its fundamental principles calling me a munafiq and 'kwarij'??? yaa jahil do you even know what 'kwarij' are and what their usool or fundamental principles are or did you just hear that buzzword at your local masjid and use it against anyone who is preaching the haqq that goes against your political ideology??? You know what is the irony here??? It was the khawarij who were the first group to seceded from the Muslims and the jama'ah despite the clear warnings against doing so from the prophet salllallahu alayhi wa sallam.

There is strength in unity. Strength in numbers. Strength in brotherhood. Islam fundamentally recognizes that and the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam has warned against splitting the ranks and those agents of the shayateen who wish to cause discord among the Muslims and for them to split apart and be open prey to their enemies. The wisdom behind this is so obvious that anyone with a functioning brain can see this especially in this age when we have two nations using agents such as yourself to disunite and bring hatred among the Muslims so picking off these tiny little nations that form would not even be a challenge for a standing army numbering into the millions. The only option left is that you do not have a properly functioning brain and lack the natural foresight present in all humans or you are an agent of the xtians and are enemy of the Muslims.

Stop trowing labels and hiding behind our beautiful religion yaa khawiriij and stop making threats about killing people and forcing people behind a damm keyboard. grow some balls and go to somalia and do that instead talking shit. i know idiots like you and unlike you i went to my land and took care of your type!!

Living the west yet threatining the muslims back to adjust to your messed up view

 

[Canuck]

You still live in 15 century, it was that perfect and good at that time really the Egyptians levant people all used to revolt against them. Ask yourself why Somalis was never occupied by Arab or Turkish ? Because we were lucky that Allah put fierce spirit in our soul. Listen you never could United 1 1/2 billion under one country.

 

[Sufiyan]

Stop trowing labels and hiding behind our beautiful religion yaa khawiriij and stop making threats about killing people and forcing people behind a damm keyboard. grow some balls and go to somalia and do that instead talking shit. i know idiots like you and unlike you i went to my land and take care of your type!!

You don't understand anything about the deen jahil. Just keep your mouth shut and carry on with your khat fueled rants on tribes and other such idle nonsense before you say something that bankrupts your akhirah. The fact you called me a 'kwarij" for preaching nothing but the pure haqq of ahlus sunnah and actually believe democracy is apart of the deen speaks for itself and nothing more needs to be said. All I will ask you is impossible task: can you bring evidence from the Sunnah or the salaf where a group of righteous Muslims seceded from the jama'ah or the main body of the Muslims and were granted success and prosperity by Allah ta'ala??? Do that and we will continue this conversation.

Otherwise I will leave you this quote from imam shafi'i rahimahullah:

I have never debated with a knowledgeable person, except that I won the debate, and I have never debated with an ignorant person, except that I lost.

 

[Canuck]

Then you are not Somali but Bantu or reer xamar trying to fit in Somalia tribal society. Probably low key al habaab

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

You don't understand anything about the deen jahil. Just keep your mouth shut and carry on with your khat fueled rants on tribes and other such idle nonsense before you say something that bankrupts your akhirah. The fact you called me a 'kwarij" for preaching nothing but the pure haqq of ahlus sunnah and actually believe democracy is apart of the deen speaks for itself and nothing more needs to be said. All I will ask you is impossible task: can you bring evidence from the Sunnah or the salaf where a group of righteous Muslims seceded from the jama'ah or the main body of the Muslims and were granted success and prosperity by Allah ta'ala??? Do that and we will continue this conversation.

Otherwise I will leave you this quote from imam shafi'i rahimahullah:

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Where the hell have i preached democracy idiot, i dont even believe in democracy and i don't eat khat!!

You don't me and just cause i am against your dreams of a united somalia you gonna kill me well i'll be in somalia next month please come and kill me

 

[Sufiyan]

Then you are not Somali but Bantu or reer xamar trying to fit in Somalia tribal society. Probably low key al habaab

The haqq is like daggers to the hearts of nationalists and the tribal secessionists. I am definitely an ethnic Somali and no minority. You can call me terrorist or khawarij or any of the things you like but that will not make take away from the hard truth that I post. We are in the times were Ahlus Sunnah are seen as extremists and radicals these days so your reactions are understandable.

 

[Canuck]

No I do not. I am not in any way a nationalist. A Muslim habash has any right to live in a future Islamic Somalia as any Somali.

You are an evil person, may Allah open your eyes and guide your heart to truth, you evil soul and part of the problem. Stupid today some Christian will pretend to be Muslim and you will run after him and kill your families for him. Al kebaaab al habaab devil