So when Oromo started their expansion from southern Ethiopia, why didn't they try us?

[Revolutionarry]

why didn't they go east? Did they try and we stopped them? It doesn't make sense how they conquered so many people going north and west but barely any going east? I am not talking about east hararaghe when I say east, I am talking about directly east from their homeland, southern Ethiopia(Guji&Borena area)?

who were the weak mugs that they decimated? I read that some of these people would have been related to Somalis?

and follow up question to that, outside of us and rendille, any other prominent people living today that fall under the somaliod umbrella?

@The alchemist
@Aurelian
@Reformed J

 

[Khaemwaset]

They went north and took hararghe and bale from us. Somalis were previously expanding west and we'd be getting into habasha lands if our expansion wasn't cut short by Oromo. They did try to invade modern Somalia but were destroyed and enslaved by the Ajuuran empire during the Gaal madow wars.

 

[Revolutionarry]

They went north and took hararghe and bale from us. Somalis were previously expanding west and we'd be getting into habasha lands if our expansion wasn't cut short by Oromo. They did try to invade modern Somalia but were destroyed and enslaved by the Ajuuran empire during the Gaal madow wars.

This invasion was late right? like 1600/1700s? I am talking about earlier than that, like 2000 years back.

Also are you sure we were ever in bale region?

 

[Khaemwaset]

This invasion was late right? like 1600/1700s? I am talking about earlier than that, like 2000 years back.

Also are you sure we were ever in bale region?

Ajuuran empire collapsed in the late 1600s.

Oromo were not a thing 2000 years ago like Somali wasn't a fully formed ethnicity also. However the oromo were one of many lowland east Cushitic groups that bordered somali. They originate from the modern day border between north West Kenya and Ethiopia. They started by slowly assimilating the other small tribes near them and picked up skills such as Calvary. And then after the death of Ahmad Gurey and the weakness of Adal and Abyssinia. The Oromo took their chance and with their Calvary they expanded and pillaged. Forcing all tribes they came across to assimilate. This is when oromo became what they are today. Before 1530 they were a people smaller in land than awdal state.

 

[Garaad Awal]

They did invade Somalia and had success which is why the Orma and other Oromoid groups lived there untill Darood nomads overthrew them in the 1800s.

In the medieval period they pushed into Fafaan region and into Western SL but were pushed out and the remaining Oromos were subjugated (Akisho & Jaarso).

The common theme seems to be the early Oromo expansionists were pure Agro-pastoralists that raised lots of cattle. Many Somali inhabited areas weren’t suitable (too arid) but the greener areas of Somali-inhabited regions of the Horn (Jubaland, Fafaan,Awdal,Gabiley) were appealing to the Oromos.

 

[Khaemwaset]

They did invade Somalia and had success which is why the Orma and other Oromoid groups lived there untill Darood nomads overthrew them in the 1800s.

In the medieval period they pushed into Fafaan region and into Western SL but were pushed out and the remaining Oromos were subjugated (Akisho & Jaarso).

The common theme seems to be the early Oromo expansionists were pure Agro-pastoralists that raised lots of cattle. Many Somali inhabited areas weren’t suitable (too arid) but the greener areas of Somali-inhabited regions of the Horn (Jubaland, Fafaan,Awdal,Gabiley) were appealing to the Oromos.

Oromo never controlled land in Somalia. They only took NFD which was reconquered by most Ogaden Darood clans in the 1800s. They tried in southern Somalia but were enslaved by Ajuuran.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Oromo never controlled land in Somalia.

The Oromos controlled JL untill Northern Daroods overthrew them and pushed them into Kenya, specifically the Ormas.This is also why you can find minority Borana-Orma paternal lineages among the Daroods of JL

E-FTA76226 YTree

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They only took NFD which was reconquered by most Ogaden Darood clans in the 1800s. They tried in southern Somalia but were enslaved by Ajuuran.

The Ajuuraan & Degodia were slaves (clients in essence) of the Boranas untill the Daroods arrived continuing their march from JL. It was Northern Somali speaking Daroods pastoralists that saved the Somaloids in Kenya.

 

[Revolutionarry]

Ajuuran empire collapsed in the late 1600s.

Oromo were not a thing 2000 years ago like Somali wasn't a fully formed ethnicity also. However the oromo were one of many lowland east Cushitic groups that bordered somali. They originate from the modern day border between north West Kenya and Ethiopia. They started by slowly assimilating the other small tribes near them and picked up skills such as Calvary. And then after the death of Ahmad Gurey and the weakness of Adal and Abyssinia. The Oromo took their chance and with their Calvary they expanded and pillaged. Forcing all tribes they came across to assimilate. This is when oromo became what they are today. Before 1530 they were a people smaller in land than awdal state.

Somalis did exist 2000 years ago as did Oromo, although we are mostly unmixed since then while the horde are all over the place, having mixed with basically everything and everyone they came across. Some have higher omotic admixsures, while some are closer to the xabashi. unless I forgot what I read.
@Reformed J

 

[Revolutionarry]

The Oromos controlled JL untill Northern Daroods overthrew them and pushed them into Kenya, specifically the Ormas.This is also why you can find minority Borana-Orma paternal lineages among the Daroods of JL

E-FTA76226 YTree

www.yfull.com

The Ajuuraan & Degodia were slaves (clients in essence) of the Boranas untill the Daroods arrived continuing their march from JL. It was Northern Somali speaking Daroods pastoralists that saved the Somaloids in Kenya.

please don't turn this into clan. that's so boring man, let go of the mindset of having the urge to boast and brag against other fellow Somalis.

 

[Garaad Awal]

please don't turn this into clan. that's so boring man, let go of the mindset of having the urge to boast and brag against other fellow Somalis.

History doesn’t care about your feelings and didn’t even boast or mention my clan once.Stay on topic on your own thread

 

[Khaemwaset]

The Oromos controlled JL untill Northern Daroods overthrew them and pushed them into Kenya, specifically the Ormas.This is also why you can find minority Borana-Orma paternal lineages among the Daroods of JL

E-FTA76226 YTree

www.yfull.com

The Ajuuraan & Degodia were slaves (clients in essence) of the Boranas untill the Daroods arrived continuing their march from JL. It was Northern Somali speaking Daroods pastoralists that saved the Somaloids in Kenya.

There was never oromo rule over JL. In fact the Ajuuran weren't even there. They got overthrown and expelled after the fall or the empire and went deep into Galbeed/Bale where they were accepted by local oromo clans only for Ajuran to hijack the land and take it for themselves. Darood vs Oromo and that whole thing happened in ndf Kenya not in Somalia

 

[Garaad Awal]

There was never oromo rule over JL. In fact the Ajuuran weren't even there. They got overthrown and expelled after the fall or the empire and went deep into Galbeed/Bale where they were accepted by local oromo clans only for Ajuran to hijack the land and take it for themselves. Darood vs Oromo and that whole thing happened in ndf Kenya not in Somalia

Lies but not suprised you are spewing them

 

[Garaad Awal]

 

[Zak12]

The Oromos controlled JL untill Northern Daroods overthrew them and pushed them into Kenya, specifically the Ormas.This is also why you can find minority Borana-Orma paternal lineages among the Daroods of JL

E-FTA76226 YTree

www.yfull.com

The Ajuuraan & Degodia were slaves (clients in essence) of the Boranas untill the Daroods arrived continuing their march from JL. It was Northern Somali speaking Daroods pastoralists that saved the Somaloids in Kenya.

There was already a thread about this but the original inhabitants of Jubaland were Somalis. Oromos themselves admit when they came there were Somali speaking groups already

 

[Revolutionarry]

@Garaad Awal stop ruining my thread you low IQ dumbass. Go to your local coffee shop if you want fadhi ku dirir.

 

[enda_el]

There was already a thread about this but the original inhabitants of Jubaland were Somalis. Oromos themselves admit when they came there were Somali speaking groups already

Not doubting but source pls

 

[Adeersyber]

Anything west of the juba wasn't Somali

 

[Zak12]

Not doubting but source pls

Who inhabited Jubaland first?

Was it Somalis? Oromo? Bantu? I read the Oromo used to inhabit there until Somalis pushed them out as part of our expansion during the 18th and 19th century.

www.somalispot.com

 

[mohammdov]

They attacked the garre and wars broke out between them. In the end, they reconciled, which is why the goobweyne get it name
Because a reconciliation meeting took place between them there
They agreed that anything south of Juba was theirs and anything north of Juba was for Garre
In 19 century, The cow epidemic came and caused famine for the Oromo, and the Darod and Dagodia clans took advantage of this and attacked the region and obtained some rifles from Sultan Barghash
Anyone who tells you that the lands south of the Jubba River were Somali is a liar

 

[Riftvalley]

The interchanges between Borana and Somalioids were not always one of conflict or outright domination by the Borana (even if they were the senior partners in the alliances).It was more complicated than that. When the Rendille were attacked by the Massai, the Worr Libin alliance, consisting of Borana, Ajuuraan and others sprang into action to help the Rendille to drive out the invaders. The Worr Libin “people of the mats” cultural, political and military alliance was perhaps the first east Cushitic camel herding alliance against an alien invader.The Somaliod people even helped the Borana against against the Warrdaya, thus a Somali vs Oromo binary dichotomy can not always be imposed on our understanding of these events between pastoralist. See Article and quote below:

https://www.eth.mpg.de/pubs/wps/pdf/mpi-eth-working-paper-0121.pdf

“This form of control based on bounded surface areas and lines on the map differed greatly from earlier systems. Before the British, the Boran had established hegemony8 over much of northern Kenya. Many groups of lowland camel pastoralists, who spoke Somali-like dialects or had spoken such dialects before they adopted the Boran variety of Oromo as their form of speech, brought them regular presents to their ritual centres in what now is Ethiopia, from an economic perspective a very light burden, and received a blessing from the qallu, the ritual head of one or the other of the two moieties to which the Boran and all of their allies were associated. Also the age-grading systems (gada systems) of some groups took chronological clues from each other and involved ritual exchange (Schlee 1998a). Before the Boran influence, these groups of Lowland East Cushitic9 speakers had their own, independent gada type generation set systems that were – along with many camel-oriented rituals and a specific calendar – part of an earlier Proto-Rendille-Somali (PRS) complex of cultural features (Schlee 1989a). This picture of social relations is made up of both difference (Somali/Somaloid/Oromo speakers; cattle/camel husbandry, distinction along interethnic hierarchy) and interaction (co-residence in the same or adjacent areas, sharing of water points, economic exchange and ritual interdependence). It was a system organised along differences without separation. This interethnic system, the Boran-centred alliance known as Worr Libin (People of Libin), also had a military aspect. The Boran, jointly with their camel-keeping allies, repelled the Laikipiak Maasai who had ventured far into northern Kenya.
The Laikipiak Maasai are well known from the accounts of the Maasai civil war by early European travellers. These Laikipiak scattered after their defeat by the other Maasai (Thomson 1968 [1885]), and a large body of their warriors moved north from what is now the Laikipia District (with the district capital Nanyuki, 200 km north of Nairobi), took the whole of Rendille, people and livestock, as their spoil and divided them up among themselves, leading a brief and happy life as their superior force enabled them to do. However, when they wanted to move the whole Rendille society and make them follow to elsewhere, the Rendille warriors who had been hiding in the bush chased them away in a bloody battle.10 The Laikipiak then moved north, raiding cattle and driving large herds along, until they were beaten by the Worr Libin cavalry near Buna.11 A British compiler12 of the accounts of “some old men” gives 1876 as the probable date of the battle and Korondile as its place.13 Whatever the exact location might have been, it is clear that these Maasai had ventured far into the Boran heartland. The father of our informant Waako D’iriba14 took part in this battle, and Ido Robleh, the Ajuran leader, is also reported to have borne “the mark of an arrow got near Buna in one fight with them”.15 Apart from the Boran and the Ajuran, the other member peoples of the Worr Libin, the Garre and Gabra16 were also involved in these fights and the subsequent pursuit of the intruders and temporary solidarity was extended even to the Rendille, who stood outside this alliance.17 The only people who did not join the Boran in these fights were Warra Daya, who had had a bloody conflict with the other Worr Libin in the preceding decades and had withdrawn to the south18 where the Daarood Somali were to continue their decimation. Their remnants can be found among the Tana Orma.
As far as the Somaloid associate peoples of the Worr Libin are concerned, we can say that they were strongly engaged on the side of the Boran in the Laikipiak war, as they had been earlier in the Boran/Warra Daya conflict. The wars of the nineteenth century thus show that the alliance was then strong and functioning.19 We have had a closer look at these wars to ascertain that there was an accumulation of power, that there was an organisation, that there was ritual and military cooperation in this pre-colonial pluriethnic society. All this was achieved without districts and provinces”.