Somali reality

[Duchess]

You claim to be from banu hashim. That is how the oral history goes. In Islam when you claim such a noble lineage the burden of the evidence is on you to show that you are indeed from that lineage or else everyone would claim to be ahl al bait and no one would question them. Thing is I have enough proof to show that at least most of the members of your clan are not banu Hashim or even from an arab.


geeljire good job for showming those post bro. Sister duchess is just too smart to believe in these fairytale that our awoowes used to tell us.

I will only prove myself to someone who shares my noble lineage not to confirmed sheegads.

 

[Geeljire]

You claim to be from banu hashim. That is how the oral history goes. In Islam when you claim such a noble lineage the burden of the evidence is on you to show that you are indeed from that lineage or else everyone would claim to be ahl al bait and no one would question them. Thing is I have enough proof to show that at least most of the members of your clan are not banu Hashim or even from an arab.


geeljire good job for showming those post bro. Sister duchess is just too smart to believe in these fairytale that our awoowes used to tell us.

You are correct sxb.There is no historical basis for it as well. One dishiishe fellow on his blog point it out

The Interestingly Fraudulent Nature of Some Somali Arabian Geneologies
http://anthromadness.blogspot.no/2015/06/the-interestingly-fraudulent-nature-of.html

The idea that this man was an Arabian settler at all but likely just some saintly native who was overly venerated and adopted as a clan founder. I doubt the clan founders of the Somali people are really true blue clan founders as most ethnic Somalis in terms of autosomal DNA and in terms of their uniparental markers are more or less identical / a very homogeneous people.

It's well-known enough in the field of population genetics that Somalis are not the product of a recent Peninsula Arabian mixture with East African natives, in fact most Somalis don't at all display any Peninsula Arabian ancestry whatsoever whether in terms of their Haplogroup markers which are centered very comfortably in the Horn of Africa or in terms of their autosomal DNA where they actuallyseem more genetically isolated thanḤabeshas since they show no West Asian admixture

There is no credible record of any of them. Only Muhammad ibn Aqeel shows up in an old record and that's in a book (Aqeeliyoon) from roughly 200 years or so after his supposed father's death,written by a fellow really just recounting the Darod clan's claimed genealogy. Actual records from the time of his supposed life don't mention him having existed at any point. He is however the one person out of the three with the best chance of having been real; the other two are hopeless.
I once thought that whilst being genetically invalid; these particular Arabian genealogies might have at least been historically solid but now it seems as though they are historically invalid as well.

 

[Duchess]

^ Correction: you mean one sheegad Dashiishe e1b1b1b1b1b1.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

My kin VERIFY my origin and i've been living with my kin in my ancestral lands
Sultan of Mahrah and Socotra

Representing in Oman

But can you with made up histories verify anything, anything at all

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

You are correct sxb.There is no historical basis for it as well. One dishiishe fellow on his blog point it out

The Interestingly Fraudulent Nature of Some Somali Arabian Geneologies
http://anthromadness.blogspot.no/2015/06/the-interestingly-fraudulent-nature-of.html

The idea that this man was an Arabian settler at all but likely just some saintly native who was overly venerated and adopted as a clan founder. I doubt the clan founders of the Somali people are really true blue clan founders as most ethnic Somalis in terms of autosomal DNA and in terms of their uniparental markers are more or less identical / a very homogeneous people.

It's well-known enough in the field of population genetics that Somalis are not the product of a recent Peninsula Arabian mixture with East African natives, in fact most Somalis don't at all display any Peninsula Arabian ancestry whatsoever whether in terms of their Haplogroup markers which are centered very comfortably in the Horn of Africa or in terms of their autosomal DNA where they actuallyseem more genetically isolated thanḤabeshas since they show no West Asian admixture

There is no credible record of any of them. Only Muhammad ibn Aqeel shows up in an old record and that's in a book (Aqeeliyoon) from roughly 200 years or so after his supposed father's death,written by a fellow really just recounting the Darod clan's claimed genealogy. Actual records from the time of his supposed life don't mention him having existed at any point. He is however the one person out of the three with the best chance of having been real; the other two are hopeless.
I once thought that whilst being genetically invalid; these particular Arabian genealogies might have at least been historically solid but now it seems as though they are historically invalid as well.

If it's fake then why are we still accepted in our ancestral lands

 

[Zayd]

Kulaha we build ancient kingdoms then how the hell you evolve from this :

To this

Mr bahal what kind of messed up evolution is that

 

[ironclad urchin]

8 pages of unaltered qashin.

 

[Duchess]

8 pages of unaltered qashin.

Only @Damu's posts are worth reading.

 

[ironclad urchin]

Only @Damu's posts are worth reading.

ill have to backtack his posts for this thread once i summon up the will to read it

 

[Duchess]

ill have to backtack his posts for this thread once i summon up the will to read it

I would delete all the posts in this topic and leave just his but they would remove me as mod.

 

[ironclad urchin]

I would delete all the posts in this topic and leave just his but they would remove me as mod.

u should once this thread is buried and forgotten

 

[AceofSom]

Daroods are not Somali, I wish they could go back to where they came form.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Daroods are not Somali, I wish they could go back to where they came form.

How cute that you got a new nick, all that trouble just because i asked for facts och evidence

 

[paragon]

"Love of self" that's something that aliester Crowley would say the beast himself.

It's not love thy self that's what any self-aware human should advocate. Do you think a devil worshiper would encourage that? No Alister Crowley is one of those weirdos that pushes individualism, mysticism and self-gratification. It's actually "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". In other words, be a pleasure seeker and that's it. That psychotic aristocrat wants people to live for this world alone and not the hereafter at all.

 

[Arma]

I was speaking on the clan structure and lineages of the conquered peoples aka 70% of Daroods. I'm not related to them but we share politicial goals.

If 70% of Daroods are fake Daroods, then who are real Daroods then? Are Harti the only descendants of Sheikh Darood while Ogadeen and Marehan and the rest are sheegatos?

 

[paragon]

Tribe is two tier. It's partly blood bonds between people and confederacy. Not all people in a tribe are closely related. In fact, some of those very people share paternal linkages to people from different clans, hence they were merely assimilated.

I don't know if you people actually believe this hoopla about Somalis not being related or having different ancestry. Fact of the matter is Somalis are autosomally related more strongly than Oromos or Amharas are to each other, and most of them come up E3b and T1a, those are the most common paternal haplogroups found in studies, if you show up as J1 perhaps you are Ethiopian or an assimilated Arab, and that's nothing to brag about. It is also very uncommon, just like R1a. And the most ignorant thing you can do is claim that a certain phenotype say wavier hair texture or lighter skin tone makes you recently admixed, albeit less common it shows up. Reality check, you can be full Somali and have all of the above. To align yourself with ajnabis over Somalis because you have some old scores or bones to pick is what's even more sad.

 

[Zayd]

Majeerteens need to chill, y'all are gonna declare 70% of your bretherin as "conquered peoples" , who may that be? Marehan? OGs?

 

[Canuck]

Gr

These claims and claims you have made before about azania, kush, land of punt etc when somali tradition is totally different and all somali claim to have foreign, why somalis never have united or have problems uniting if they have everything in common?

greedy leaders

 

[Duchess]

Somalis are autosomally related more strongly than Oromos or Amharas are to each other, and most of them come up E3b and T1a, those are the most common paternal haplogroups found in studies, if you show up as J1 perhaps you are Ethiopian or an assimilated Arab, and that's nothing to brag about.

Who's bragging? You think it's okay to be proud of being t1a or e3b, but if you're j1 you should be ashamed? I bet you're from a clan that claims some random Arab man was their forefather. Only in 2016 is being a shegato something to be proud of.

Majeerteens need to chill, y'all are gonna declare 70% of your bretherin as "conquered peoples" , who may that be? Marehan? OGs?

I never mentioned any specific subclans, but people still got in their feelings.

 

[Canuck]

That Darood story you wrote is not true but i'm not surprised you try to spread incorrect info on him also not mentioning hawiye or others close to you

How is that narrative without merit when the descendants still live there and still are connected to the land of origin, historical documents and studies available and well known, religious orders started that are still present, their different branches in different countries though separated still have the same culture, tradition and still uphold ties with eachother. so just cause yours is fake don't make mine fake since we do not share ties or culture and never mixed much historically.

Somali history span millenia yet no traces you are to be found, empire building people do not become nomads over night with no traces of even their knowledge what happened did they wake up one day and decided to drop everything and become ignorant nomads.

Do you even know what unity means How was the kacaan a time somalis were united when more than half the country was burning and three clans dominating all levels of society leading to civil war or are you speaking from your clans perspective.

Also i been to Somalia and worked there, traveled around and seen with my own eyes the heritage left behind and the culture that is still visible, from architecture, boat building, textiles, hierarchy and recorded history in 2 different texts so do not tell me somalis have the same origins cause i did see that. Galkayo was the one place you can definitely see the differences

Egyptian people had lost their history and knowledge after invasion of Roman then Arab only in 1850 when French scientist discovered their language all their history soon if we will do the same. Egyptians before the colonial never knew anything about their ancient history they thought they were bunch of farmers