Somali teen stabbed to death in Toronto

[Inactive]

Ye bro,I live near Abu Huraira.Many Isaaqs and other reer woqooyi in my area

Not surprising follower of Salafi Rageh.

 

[Geeljire]

Unless you experienced the society out here.. then you shouldn't be talking about it.

Talking about what? Saying that Somali youth are being influenced by urban culture which is leading to violence and drugs. Is pretty accurate you may say it's the reason for why they turned to urban vices being more complex which I agree with it.

But tell me the truth the random person on the internett who supposedly knows my background.

i know she's not talking about toronto training wheels on ur tricycle ass nigga, the same applies to asians there too. the only difference is, asians don't live in the areas mentioned...which is why i pointed it out to her

They do live in the areas mentioned in San diego she even told you that and I saw it from myself.

Yet you agreed with her, that's fail bro.

How can it be solely a neighborhood problem and not affect asians living in the same neighborhoods in San Diego?

@Kaafiye just confirmed what u've been trying to oppose this whole time, that it's peer pressure that leads to all of this. @paragon hit the nail on the head too, in more depth...but ur tunnel-visioned as usual yelling hurr hip-hop culture durr anti-intellectualism *insert more buzzwords here*i understand peer pressure might be a foreign concept to you, you'd need to have peers first before you can understand it, but i assure you that it's not something easy to escape especially in dangerous areas. it's easy for you on the outside looking in to stoke ur non existent beard and pontificate on how destructive that lifestyle and can come up with lame ass hypotheseses because there's no pressure on you to conform to

Peer pressured into urban culture? And how does that go against what im saying. I'm really trying to understand

So others Writing down random reasons yet failing to draw a correlation between them.

 

[CrazyWadaad]

i know she's not talking about toronto training wheels on ur tricycle ass nigga, the same applies to asians there too. the only difference is, asians don't live in the areas mentioned...which is why i pointed it out to her

@Kaafiye just confirmed what u've been trying to oppose this whole time, that it's peer pressure that leads to all of this. @paragon hit the nail on the head too, in more depth...but ur tunnel-visioned as usual yelling hurr hip-hop culture durr anti-intellectualism *insert more buzzwords here*

i understand peer pressure might be a foreign concept to you, you'd need to have peers first before you can understand it, but i assure you that it's not something easy to escape especially in dangerous areas. it's easy for you on the outside looking in to stoke ur non existent beard and pontificate on how destructive that lifestyle and can come up with lame ass hypotheseses because there's no pressure on you to conform to it

Their are fucked up Asians.Me and an Afar friend of mine got jumped by them by luckily I got away but boy caught it bad Wallahi.A bunch of midget Indha year pussies.Geeljire is mad dumb,their are gangs in every area and ethnic group.How many times I heard crazy Tamils in Scarborough shanked fellow Tamils up

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Teesdale near Vp and Danforth?
We must know the same people for sure walaal

Yeah near vp station for sure we do,

 

[CrazyWadaad]

Not surprising follower of Salafi Rageh.

Warya Chillax,mr I would rather have a son

 

[Tramo]

Koreans, Vietnamese, Chinese, Indians, Filipinos people come from cultures that are socially cohesive, which acts as a defense mechanism of getting involved with gang-related crime, even if they are involved it's higher up and they keep their mouths closed. They also have a long history in America unlike Somalis that came mostly in the 90s-00s. lol. I have yet to hear of a Somalis and their extended families living under the same roof in the suburbs paying off each home together like a hagbad until all of them have a house of their own. We're not that close knitted. kkkkkkkk We'd start a war between families if that happened.

sxb even on an individual familial level they're different to us. they make sure they give their kids at least a platform to succeed by living in better areas. some somalis do the equivalent of dropping their kids in quicksand and expect them to wade their way out. then niggas like @Geeljire want to come thru and ask hmm why did they sink . must be hip hop culture

i knew niggas whose parents were pushing beamers and shit but lived in the toronto equivalent of compton, how does that work?

 

[CrazyWadaad]

Not surprising follower of Salafi Rageh.

You did hear Raageh's new masjid got shut down in Scarborough right.The masjid and the school.They shut it down this week lmfao

 

[Inactive]

You did hear Raageh's new masjid got shut down in Scarborough right.The masjid and the school.They shut it down this week lmfao

No fire alarms or sprinkler system.

He wants a Saudi Arabian school fire repeat where the girls are not allowed to leave because they're not wearing a hijab.

He should be jailed.

 

[Geeljire]

sxb even on an individual familial level they're different to us. they make sure they give their kids at least a platform to succeed by living in better areas. some somalis do the equivalent of dropping their kids in quicksand and expect them to wade their way out. then niggas like

I actually told you some off the reasons why it's a different case for Asians. By using examples and it's not a family level thing but a communal level thing. It has many factors that facilitate to this.

Here is what I said

But they have more social capital to draw from which is the

The problem i found is the complete disunity and lack of real community. The civil war and the ills our parent took with them is affecting the youth really bad. Somalis youth try to compete with eachother when they should be helping eachother and uplift eachother. They should compete with other high rising ethnic groups. There is a climate of mistrust and many do not consider eachother walaalos and as for those who do go off to university and college many have very inflated egos and individualistic mindsets and all they are concerned about is money & appealing to ajanabis or acting superior to other somalis with their so called new found enlightenment.

@Geeljire want to come thru and ask hmm why did they sink . must be hip hop culture

i knew niggas whose parents were pushing beamers and shit but lived in the toronto equivalent of compton, how does that work?

Actually mostly the disunity among Somalis, lack of social capital and no actual community being the reasons for it and parents not being based that long in the western diaspora. Many came here in the 90s and 2000s.

As for the youth taking to urban culture is due to lack of social capital.

 

[Tramo]

nice buzzwords sxb

 

[Geeljire]

@Tramo

I also said this.

I hang with many ethnic groups like for example tamils and their parents do not act any different then ours yet these kids are very proud people of their roots and are high achievers out doing every ethnic group here and that is because their parents are able to pull from capital which Somali parents do not posess and has a stabile homeland (Tamil nadu) to lean on for production and many of them have been based Here since 1960s unlike us who came in the 90s and 2000s disunited people that took the ills of the war back with us.

And this is the case from what I see.

See I'm not finger pointing at anyone, nor am I vilifying the youth. This issues is complex and has a lot layers that go together with a key factor down the line.

 

[paragon]

sxb even on an individual familial level they're different to us. they make sure they give their kids at least a platform to succeed by living in better areas. some somalis do the equivalent of dropping their kids in quicksand and expect them to wade their way out. then niggas like @Geeljire want to come thru and ask hmm why did they sink . must be hip hop culture

i knew niggas whose parents were pushing beamers and shit but lived in the toronto equivalent of compton, how does that work?

Neighbourhood plays a factor for sure, along with your associates. If you live in tough ends, buckle down, avoid the outdoors and sparingly associate with your neighbours you have a chance of making it because you aren't apart of the herd. However, alienation is not what these kids want. Fundamentally all people want to be appreciated and liked by their peers. You'd have to be tough as nails to just mind your business and keep to yourself. However, you risk being considered an individualistic person that forgets about his community once you leave. I had a neighbour from the diaspora when I visited back home and they came from rough ends. They told me about the crab in the bucket mentality and how his niggas used to say he wouldn't make it, or that he was lying about getting accepted to a good school. Wallahi that's a shame. I was not raised like that and didn't live it but I can empathize with the brother. We should support each other not bring one another down.

I think for Somalis to be successful, they would have to learn what worked back home doesn't work here. A lot of Somalis came to the west without any inclination about what life would be like or what modifications they would have to make, that and a disjointed community has made it challenging for them. And trust me mate I'm as pro-Somali as it gets. I believe not being in tune with the morale boosting and positive parts of your culture, it's language, poetry, history, lore, dances, dress also puts children at a disadvantage. I think in the west Somalis should think about their survival and set their petty tribal differences to the side. Instead of competing with each other they should try to compete with other groups.

 

[Tramo]

@Tramo

I also said this.



And this is the case from what I see.

See I'm not finger pointing at anyone, nor am I vilifying the youth. This issues is complex and has a lot layers that go together with a key factor down the line.

yes, that's a very well reasoned hypotheses but if u cant see why it means nothing coming from u then what can i say?

 

[Geeljire]

 

[Geeljire]

Neighbourhood plays a factor for sure, along with your associates. If you live in tough ends, buckle down, avoid the outdoors and sparingly associate with your neighbours you have a chance of making it because you aren't apart of the herd. However, alienation is not what these kids want. Fundamentally all people want to be appreciated and liked by their peers. You'd have to be tough as nails to just mind your business and keep to yourself. However, you risk being considered an individualistic person that forgets about his community once you leave. I had a neighbour from the diaspora when I visited back home and they came from rough ends. They told me about the crab in the bucket mentality and how his niggas used to say he wouldn't make it, or that he was lying about getting accepted to a good school. Wallahi that's a shame. I was not raised like that and didn't live it but I can empathize with the brother. We should support each other not bring one another down.

I think for Somalis to be successful, they would have to learn what worked back home doesn't work here. A lot of Somalis came to the west without any inclination about what life would be like or what modifications they would have to make, that and a disjointed community has made it challenging for them. And trust me mate I'm as pro-Somali as it gets. I believe not being in tune with the morale boosting and positive parts of your culture, it's language, poetry, history, lore, dances, dress also puts children at a disadvantage. I think in the west Somalis should think about their survival and set their petty tribal differences to the side. Instead of competing with each other they should try to compete with other groups.

I agree with a few of your points.

Except for the neighborhood factor , which people fail to draw a correlation between it.

I could see how your surroundings could affect you if you have no defense what'so ever unlike other ethnic groups who have a lot of social capital (cultural,religious and intellectual) capital that is available which somalis have none of due to disunity and the civil war.
That's why you see other immigrant ethnics are less susceptible to urban vices( drugs,violence.etc) then Somalis.

This not something I'm making up. Somali youth have severe identity problems which is contributing this fact.

And @Tramo is one of the youth who sits around glamorize and romanticize Urban culture which why he is staunchly against what I'm saying. Not because I'm wrong.

 

[iNutEasily]

we got indians outchea killing somalis.

 

[afrosomali]

nice buzzwords sxb

i bet @Geeljire never heard of hmong and the parallel ails of their communities- poverty, unemployment, and gang culture- ask any of the MN posters (@Freebandz @Queen Carawelo)

they too are a recent (90s) refugee population- oh and theyre indha yar

 

[Tramo]

it's funny because in toronto there are tons of asian gangs, both south and south east asian. not only that but these niggas are from the suburbs and are far removed from the actual gang culture, so if anyone can be accused of emulating 'hip hop culture' it's them, not the somalis that actually live in the hood

 

[paragon]

That's basically what I said!

Except for the neighborhood factor , which people fail to draw a correlation between it.

I could see how your surroundings could affect you if you have no defense what'so ever unlike other ethnic groups who have a lot of social capital (cultural,religious and intellectual) capital that is available which somalis have none of due to disunity and the civil war.
That's why you see other immigrant ethnics are less susceptible to urban vices( drugs,violence.etc) then Somalis.

Trust me bro. If you were born in the lowest income neighbourhood and stayed there until high school where Kafiyee, Tramo et al. are telling you about I'm sure that would work against you. I have read these places have the worst schools, teachers and funding. Successful kids can come from there but it's an uphill battle. Like others have said Indo yar kids are known to be scheming and collaborate. In universities they have access to tests and they share among each other. Their culture encourages sharing within their in-group but not with others. These environments that are lower income are less likely to have Asians and if they do they develop a quick exit strategy. These places breed a dog-eat-dog mentality among ethnic minorities that are from divided ethnic communities, this is probably exacerbated among ethnic groups that are conditioned that tokenism makes you successful. This whole idea that only one or handful of the talented can make it (not true yet they still believe it). To be truly successful you have to bring up the group several standard deviations to the right. And I think all of these young kids adopt to the slang, and mainstream urban culture, however they leave it behind once they enter the workforce. I agree it's deleterious to emulate this dambi that they propagate and materialism they promote. I think there's truth to what everyone is saying.

 

[Geeljire]

@Tramo
Yet somalis are more disproportionate in that regard.

Yes and this is the case in the States there is correlation.