Somali women, anjabi children: dispelling a pervasive lie.

[Hassan77]

Why do half-Somalis, with Somali mothers, claim Somalinimo? It's simple; mothers pass on the language and culture; that's why it's called the "Mother tongue" and the "Motherland".
Mothers spend most times around children, especially in the formative years, so it's no wonder that people feel most comfortable around their mother's people.

Somali women with foreign husbands, don't burden anyone, they just live their lives. I don't know what this imaginary burden is? Do they ask you to pay their bills?

We’ve changed it to the fatherland actually.

 

[Bundasliga]

If you actually read my posts, you'd know that I don't care about that.

You mentioned it & its always mentioned by the hardcore nationalist .

Who argues a women can't pass on culture and language?! Nobody.

They argue that those ajnabi children aren't somali at all which is false of course, but they don't have a somali qabil which is absolutely correct.

You as a qabilist obviously struggle with this fact & came up with this mental gymnastics.

Women who don't give a shit about qabil don't have this problem...

 

[AbdiFreedom]

Somalis of both sexes in real life will claim you if you're able to say a few sentences in broken Somali, forget about being 12.5%, 25% or 50% Somali. Somali nationalists/pure Somali advocates don't exist outside the internet.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

You mentioned it & its always mentioned by the hardcore nationalist .

Who argues a women can't pass on culture and language?! Nobody.

They argue that those ajnabi children aren't somali at all which is false of course, but they don't have a somali qabil which is absolutely correct.

You as a qabilist obviously struggle with this fact & came up with this mental gymnastics.

Women who don't give a shit about qabil don't have this problem...

You call me a qabiilist, but you are the one who is invested in acting like the Qabiil purity police. Isn't that funny?

Guess what? You don't have the power to tell someone with an Oromo, Bantu, Arab or whatever haplogroup to stop doing Abtiris to clan xyz. It's already happening as I type this to you.

Also, if I was motivated to make this topic out of 'qabyaalad', I would firmly be on the side of the 'purists', as my clan doesn't have a culture of adopting people. If you want to come at me, make sense with it.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Somalis of both sexes in real life will claim you if you're able to say a few sentences in broken Somali, forget about being 12.5%, 25% or 50% Somali. Somali nationalists/pure Somali advocates don't exist outside the internet.

If they really cared about Somalia's ethnic purity, they'd all go back to fight AlShabab, the terror group that brings foreign fighters to rape Somali women. Guess where the babies from these unions will stay? In Somalia. Guess which clans they will claim? The clan of their mothers. Who will stop this? Nobody.
Not to mention AMISOM, who get access to Somali girls, rape them, courtesy of Somali pimps. According to Human Rights Reports.

Instead of focusing on real transgressions, that are a disgrace to Somalia's digity, they want to focus on voluntary relationships and the children that result from halal love.

 

[empressjamila]

Somalis of both sexes in real life will claim you if you're able to say a few sentences in broken Somali, forget about being 12.5%, 25% or 50% Somali. Somali nationalists/pure Somali advocates don't exist outside the internet.

Somalis are accepting unless you’re half madow. I know a couple half Caribbean people and they go through a lot of rejection from other Somalis

There was a post on an earlier page about a community centre stopping a half Somali half Ghanaian child from learning Somali? I doubt that would happen if the child was half white or half Arab.

Diaspora somalis are pretty accepting of mixed folk unless you’re the wrong type of mix. Most half madow half somali kids in Canada especially caribbean tend to be born out of wedlock with the father being absent so I understand not wanting to condone haram. But I feel bad for the innocent kids caught in the mix

 

[El Nino]

The thing with Dir/Isaaq is that these two groups have been Somali as long as the concept of Somalinimo, existed. As in, there is no oral Somali history or understanding of 'Somali', without these two groups. To the extent, that people falsely believe that Dir is one of the "original" Somali clans.

In my opinion, ethnic Somalis are EV32 + T, two ancestral groups whose DNA, language and culture, is completely intertwined. I wouldn't be surprised if the EV32 ancestor of Somalis and the T haplogroup carrying males, entered the Horn of Africa, at the same time.

Somalis also carry maternal haplogroup T, not just paternal. Just wanted to say that here.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Somalis are accepting unless you’re half madow. I know a couple half Caribbean people and they go through a lot of rejection from other Somalis

There was a post on an earlier page about a community centre stopping a half Somali half Ghanaian child from learning Somali? I doubt that would happen if the child was half white or half Arab.

Diaspora somalis are pretty accepting of mixed folk unless you’re the wrong type of mix. Most half madow half somali kids in Canada especially caribbean tend to be born out of wedlock with the father being absent so I understand not wanting to condone haram. But I feel bad for the innocent kids caught in the mix

Carribbean men burned their reputation with Somalis. If they treated their Somali wives well, I don't think the backlash would have been as bad. But then again, they have very high rates of femicide, abuse and neglect in their own communities. This is why Somali + Carribbean is very rare nowadays, it was rare before, but it's even more so now.

Nowadays you see the few ladies that marry out, marrying Muslim Africans, Cadaans etc.

 

[El Nino]

Even Sheikh Maxamed Idris, is Eritrean paternally, but his mother is Somali, but he's a Somali man, through and through. Mothers tend to be the primary caretaker and pass on the MOTHER tongue, culture and so forth.

Shiikha is paternally eritrean, a close cousin of us. Horners are an exception to the rule, especially muslim ones. Even then skiikha has faced insults due to being paternally non-somali.

 

[_Yusuf_]

I'm a proponent of Somali guur, but I do laugh to myself, when I see Somali men spread lies that half-Somalis, with Somali mothers, don't get absorbed into Somalinimo. That Somali women don't have a lineage and can't pass it on. These are malicious lies and easily dispelled.

In fact, a good number of Somali men, hail from lineages, that are only Somali through the maternal side; as in, they are only Somali, because their maternal ancestor had a child with a foreign man. I suspect a lot of these non-Somali haplogroups entered Somali lands, in the 1500s, when Somalis had wars with the Abyssinnians, and foreign Muslim fighters came to help Somalis.

Even Sheikh Maxamed Idris, is Eritrean paternally, but his mother is Somali, but he's a Somali man, through and through. Mothers tend to be the primary caretaker and pass on the MOTHER tongue, culture and so forth.

If you choose to marry a foreign man, make sure he's better than any Somali man you know, and then pray istikhara, but don't ever let a Somali male bully you into thinking you are not able to pass on your culture and language. All you need is for your half-Somali son/s, to marry Somali women and then the rest is history, in fact, the true history of a lot of Somalis.

Next time you see them coming at some miskeen girl and her foreign hubby with these lies, ask them to take a DNA test first.

100% pure Mudug Somali calling in to say that no man likes seeing a half-breed claiming your lineage. There is something feminine/homosexual about being hospitable towards a half-cast invader offspring. I'm just keeping it real that's how I feel in my soul like it's an instinct. I feel like they are an invader genetic line that will potentially compete with my genetic line in the future. Similar to a lion killing rival cubs, I will go out of my way to gatekeep and be out of pocket towards half-casts.

 

[Madaafiic]

Every "irregularity" still represents a group of people, whose population cannot be ignored. In fact, it's mostly your Gabooye people, who have Semitic haplogroups. If we follow the rules set out by the Somali males on here, it's mostly your people that would be disenfranchised from Somalinimo.

The difference is that those irregularities are very very very small in comparison to the majority & on a wide scale they are irrelevant, they also happened to transpired millennium-centuries ago and concluded at to a point of massive assimilation, even then those groups were still viewed as an "other"... this cannot compare it to modern day. As for "my people" we are already disenfranchised from "Somalinimo" (whatever that is lmao) so I don't care. It doesn't change the fact that Somali culture, just like most cultures who share a similar climate, is mainly dominated by a patriarchal pastoralist culture in which the male lineage is heavily relied on.

 

[Sophisticate]

What are the clans who regularly sought recruits to bolster numbers?

Please give us some hints.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Gibil cad, bar few, did adopt Somali identity, language and culture. They're not foreign minority groups in Somalia, they're fully assimilated and considered Somali.

Somali identity reached banadiris and rest of Southerners after colonization, Banadiris are diverse culturally themselves, there's no such as common "Somali" culture, Being from somewhere that's part of modern day somalia makes you Somali

 

[MBADD]

The strongest ethnic group in the World socio-politically are the Jews and they passed that down through the mother so you might have a point.

 

[Karbaaash]

Abaayo there’s nothing called Somali. Today my home is where my father clan hails from not my hooyos. This whole idea about Somaliniimo is foreign and you know it damn well lol. Do you claim Hargeisa & beledweyne,djibouti as yours? will you be accepted by those folks even through ur both somali? no even you yourself say it on this forumonly place we claim is where our fathers clan live. Maybe the only place Somali is real is in the west but even that is a good damn stretch.

Furthermore i do not blame women who married out forcing their kids the Somali identity ask yourself with the racism that is in desis arabs and white who has one drop rule who can they claim without being abused and laughed at lol.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

What are the clans who regularly sought recruits to bolster numbers?

Please give us some hints.

I'll give you a strong hint sis, look at South Somalia's maps from Colonial time and you'll see there were these Boranas and hunter-gatherer groups. Interestingly enough, these names are no longer used today. The name for these groups is also used as a 'slur' in Somalia against the clan/s 'rumoured' to have adopted them. It rhymes with coon.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The difference is that those irregularities are very very very small in comparison to the majority & on a wide scale they are irrelevant, they also happened to transpired millennium-centuries ago and concluded at to a point of massive assimilation, even then those groups were still viewed as an "other"... this cannot compare it to modern day. As for "my people" we are already disenfranchised from "Somalinimo" (whatever that is lmao) so I don't care. It doesn't change the fact that Somali culture, just like most cultures who share a similar climate, is mainly dominated by a patriarchal pastoralist culture in which the male lineage is heavily relied on.

Men lie, women lie, DNA doesn't lie. Even you, received some DNA results which shows this very clearly.

 

[Madaafiic]

Men lie, women lie, DNA doesn't lie. Even you, received some DNA results which shows this very clearly.

I never said DNA lies, I just said your statement doesn't apply in the current time

 

[Arkan]

Gibil cad is enough proof that Somali women pass down culture. Not to mention DNA testing has proved that some clans like Dir and half of Isxaaq are paternally ajnabi yet we’re obviously Somalis culturally and are even apart of the big 4 clan structure.

Paternally Ajnabi? You're conflating Haplogroups with Autosomal DNA.

 

[Yami]

Paternally Ajnabi? You're conflating HGs with Autosomal DNA.

The haplogroup is still ajnabi. Autosomal does not matter when the Somali ethnicity runs on a paternal lineage basis.

Dir & half of Isxaaq = ajnabis qabil wise