Somaliland armed forces day
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Loooool ninyahow aduunyada ha inagu ceebayn. I got nothing but love for the soldiers who r my brothers, adeers and abtis, but let's not kid ourselves we can't even defend ourselves against the liyuu booliis, nevermind our daddy Ethiopia. If daddy gets upset and wants to karbaash us we gotta drop our pants hella quick and take that spanking on the ass like the obedient son we r and there's nothing our sorry excuse for an army can do about it. That's what happens when u form rebels like the SSDF, SNM and USC and destroy ur own country.
waraabe
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Just out of curiosity who are your reer abti?
Habar Awal. Sxb I'm a free thinker, it doesn't matter what my qabiil or the qabiil of my reer abti is, cuz it doesn't influence my views.
Answer me this?
Can The Somaliland army defend its territory from an invasion by Ethiopia or other neighbours?
Can the Somaliland government provide real assistance to the drought victims who r dying by the day?
And now ask urself how the drought in 1975 was handled under the Kacaan government, and also ask urself whether Ethiopia or any African country could ever dream of successfully invading Somalia under the kacaan.
I don't even really give a shit about the kacaan, they made a lot of mistakes. I'm just saying the rebels were much worse because they replaced the kacaan with anarchy, death, destruction, tahriib, piracy, al-shabaab, refugees iyo balaayo iyo baas. It's okay to overthrow a ruler if u can guarantee a stable transition and something better, but that's not what we got with the alphabet soup rebels now is it?
waraabe
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You are far from being a free thinker Your reer abti clearly brainwashed you so much you are screaming about xabashi in favour of the folk who bombed your folk to oblivion.
Self hating folk like you are the reason why we are in this mess, your master tells you to cry about Ethiopia and clapp for the killing of your own people.
No the current army isn't strong enough to rebel an attack from Ethiopia
Don't embarrass yourself sxb. Plus this thread isn't about overthrowing your beloved kacaan, don't derail it
Huh? But I just told u my reer abti are Habar Awal.
waraabe
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Of course they are
Tell me are they self haters too
No, they are diehard SNM and Somalilanders. I can say more about my uncles but it would reveal my identity.
waraabe
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If SNM were rebellious for no reason I would agree with you but your beloved kacaan chose to split up the country to favour some clans
Other than Ethiopia, Somaliland can easily defend itself against it's neighbours. Even Ethiopia is not able to allocate their entire forces on Somaliland since they have to deal with Eritrea. Somaliland is secure in this regard.
Somaliland has been able to handle droughts much better than their neighbours, it's just that this year's drought is much worse than previous years. If they had the same resources as a recognized state they would be able to handle this better.
Somalia has been invaded by Ethiopia many times during the Barre regime. If it wasn't for the Soviets they could have invaded the entire country in the 1977 war.
Why are you putting Somaliland with all that mess? What the SNM did post-Afweyne compared to what the other rebel groups did are not similar at all.
Somaliland is the only Somali territory that is under no foreign occupation, and has a stable and relatively free society. I think it's better to improve on what is working instead waiting for the rest to get their shit together. It's already been 26 years, you'll probably be waiting for the rest of your life.
That's what's i used to think too until I did a lot of research. Bro the SNM wasn't started in 1981 and Hargeisa was bombed to the ground in 1988. We formed a rebel group then Siyaad and the Kacaan naturally started persecuting us, not the other way around. Ask any of ur elders to give u the exact reason that forced our hand and made us create a rebel group in 1981? They'll give u ambiguous and general statements about oppression, but never anything very specific and concrete. Only specific and historically documented reason I came across was after the Ogaden war of 77 we had an issue with the Ogaden refugees who came to the north being favoured by the kacaan for some things. Some of them even began killing Isaaq nomads in the Isaaq haud region. The Isaaq elders informed Siyaad Barre about this but nothing much was done to solve the problem. But do u honestly think that was good enough of a reason to destroy an entire government and split the country into two and be in the horrible situation we're now? I don't think so.
God bless our troopsI wish all somalilanders and other Somalis a happy day as today is the Somaliland armed forces day
God bless the men and women who protect this young nation
waraabe
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so you support innocent isaaq civilians getting killed by the weapons their tax money paid for? I mean who do we watch out for, the Ethiopians or other clans? how does that work.
Siad Barre's conducted atrocities against peaceful protestors and political opponents throughout the 70's. The forming of the SNM was a reaction to Siad Barre's policies after years of peaceful opposition.
The SNM didn't start out as a separatist party, they formed an alliance with the SSDF early on but it didn't last. And they also helped start up the USC and SPM to overthrow the regime and create a framework for a new national government. All the things that happened in Mogadishu post-Barre was out of their control.
So you agree that we cant dfend ourselves against ethiopia, even though we could under the kacaan. Somalia doesn't handle drought better than it's neighbours, thats a lie, unless by neighbour ur talking about the failed state of Somalia. As for Somalia being invaded by ethiopia during the Barre regime, well I wouldn't call it an invasion, but yes they would cross the border and even did an aerial bombarment of Borama once. But did you ask yourself if this was before or after 1978, when the first rebel group SSDF was formed and the Somali army was weakened and fractured along clan lines? Somalia was finished the day we lost the war and the SSDF was created followed by the SNM shortly after in 1981.
ANd what mess aren't we a part of? Somalilanders are refugees all around the world, die en masse in tahriib, are poor and destitute. The only thing we have is peace alhamdulillah, and we can thank our people and clan elders for that more than our useless government who can't even feed nor protect their people.
Huh? We've been fighting the Ogaadeen in the haud for centuries. It's not so easy for Siyaad to reign them in, and even if he could who cares, we should've just defended ourselves. In fact that's what we did when he formed the Afraad movement. I don't see how bringing down the entire government was a wise course of action.
waraabe
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so what if we have been fighting different clans in the past, weren't we sharing a nation now that meant no more fighting? Why did he arm them if he cant reign them in what a dumb thing to say. why didn't he simply just put the army there to stop this. He refused to listen to peaceful request to stop arming people killing his citizens, how can you defend that. next time ask your reer abti
Siyaad Barre was a ruthless dictator who purged any potential threats to his power, that I agree with. But if ur gonna claim he committed atrocities on peaceful protesters during the 70's ur gonna have to bring proof. When he would purge political threats it wasn't along clan lines, so Isaaqs weren't singled out and targeted thats for sure. The man would get rid of anyone who was a threat, even if Daarood. The only atrocities committed during the late 70's was the killing of Majeerteen people and the poisening of their wells in Mudug, and I believe Bari region, due to the facgt that the 1977 coup leaders were almost all Majeerteen and for the fact that the SSDF was predominently a Majeerteen rebel group. In fact, during the late 70's the Isaaqs and the Kacaan on very good terms, and many of the military generals who were sent to quell the MAjeerteen rebellion were Isaaq, some of whom are still alive and active in Somaliland today. We only fell out with Siyaad later in 1981 when we formed the SNM. That's when he felt betrayed and began persecuting us.
If u have proof to show otherwise im all ears saaxiib. I actually wish i could find something that would justify
I'm not defending it. I'm saying the following: 1. he didnt arm them to kill us, he armed them to fight the ehtiopians. 2. I don't know why he didn't reign them in, in fact I don't even know who exactly was at fault in the skirmishes between us. Sxb, all i know is we've been fighting the Ogaden for ages. Also, if I understand correctly the killings were happeneing in the haud region of Ogadenia and not inside Somaliland. 3. I just don't think skirmishes we were having with Ogadens was enough to rebel against the state. 4. Even if it was a good enough reason we did a horrible job, in fact all the rebel groups did a horrible job. IF u wanna rebel you gotta unite everyone under one umbrella (not clan groups) and make sure u have enough power to dislodge the current regime with mininal loss of life and to return the state to normalcy quite quickly.
My point is, i'm not even mad at the rebel groups for rebelling against the kacaan, I dont care for the kacaan or siyaad that much, they had many mistakes and faults. I'm just saying the rebel groups turned out to be worse. I would rather live under the 1970's kacaan period, before the rebels formed, than present day Somaliland thats for sure. Abdullahi Yusuf, the guy who started the first rebel group, SSDF, admitted in his memoirs shorly before he died, that if he had known then what he knows now he would never have rebelled against the kacaan.
waraabe
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SSDF had no reason to rebel but SNM did
you are clearly throwing those unarmed nomad civilians who got murdered under the bus by giving these all excuses. Those nomads thought the xabashi were the enemy and were watching out of the bad xabashi boogieman while another bunch of Somalis betrayed them and used their government given weapons (which were supposed to be used under the xabash enemy) to settle old scores. now you need to stop beating around the bush and say that those nomad civilians being killed didn't matter which is how you feel.
I would also agree with you if elders didn't try and sort it out peacefully by complaining to the government and to the dictator directly. a simple armed unit in that area to stop this would've solved all the commotion, heck even inviting the guys he was giving weapons to and telling them to stop would've worked. but clearly he didn't care about those civilians.
you are an excuseman, coming up with million excuses to rationalise what your propagate, "why didn't isaaq just take it", "at least other Somalis are killing you, it would be worse if its the xabashi" etc
in 1991, SNM tried to set up national unity government but obviously other rebel groups didn't feel like it.
the reason why you want to live under kacaan is because your reer abti were booliqran
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