Somaliland armed forces day

[waraabe]

That's empty rhetoric. Show me examples, places, names, dates. Show me proof, that's all i want. I challenge my own views like this, that's why im a free thinker. Challenge urself. Be open to all possibilities. Maybe uve been fed untruths or stretched truths. Step outside of urself, ur ego and ur identity and look at everything with a cold unbiased gaze.

didn't you admit he was arming his clan who were killing isaaq nomads? seems to me your reer abti did a number on you

 

[jugjugwacwac]

didn't you admit he was arming his clan who were killing isaaq nomads? seems to me your reer abti did a number on you

He was arming the ogaadeen to fight the xabashis. If u show me proof that he was arming them to fight us then I'll definitely change my opinion.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

This was before the bombings lol. It just goes to show you how severely neglected the region was under his rule.

Huh, before the bombings? The bombings were in 1988. SNM was formed 1981. I'm asking to you bring me proof of the oppression and persecution of Isaaqs specifically by the kacaan before the SNM was formed, which would justify it's formation.

As for the neglect, i already addressed that. Take a look at how Gedo (Mareexaan territory) looked under the kacaan.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

I wonder if it is a good idea to further strengthen Somaliland's "nationalism" when it is unlikely for it to be recognized? You would think the political elites would understand that doing this will make it much more difficult to unwind in the future. How can the political elite ever negotiate anything other than secession when they have made everyone under the age of 40 believe that they are an independent country? What happens in 14 years when Somaliland turns 40 and there has been no recognition? At what point is secession reconsidered?

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I wonder if it is a good idea to further strengthen Somaliland's "nationalism" when it is unlikely for it to be recognized? You would think the political elites would understand that doing this will make it much more difficult to unwind in the future. How can the political elite ever negotiate anything other than secession when they have made everyone under the age of 40 believe that they are an independent country? What happens in 14 years when Somaliland turns 40 and there has been no recognition? At what point is secession reconsidered?

Waar ninyahow these ppl r retarded. I don't think Somalis are capable of strategic thinking like this at all.

 

[waraabe]

I wonder if it is a good idea to further strengthen Somaliland's "nationalism" when it is unlikely for it to be recognized? You would think the political elites would understand that doing this will make it much more difficult to unwind in the future. How can the political elite ever negotiate anything other than secession when they have made everyone under the age of 40 believe that they are an independent country? What happens in 14 years when Somaliland turns 40 and there has been no recognition? At what point is secession reconsidered?

recognition or not sxb Somaliland wont be controlled from the south that is a fact

 

[waraabe]

He was arming the ogaadeen to fight the xabashis. If u show me proof that he was arming them to fight us then I'll definitely change my opinion.

so why were those bullets not used against xabashi gaalo insead of other somalis

 

[jugjugwacwac]

so why were those bullets not used against xabashi gaalo insead of other somalis

Cuz in that region the Ogaadeen have clan fueds with Isaaqs. Why would u be surprised that they would use them against us?

 

[waraabe]

Huh, before the bombings? The bombings were in 1988. SNM was formed 1981. I'm asking to you bring me proof of the oppression and persecution of Isaaqs specifically by the kacaan before the SNM was formed, which would justify it's formation.

As for the neglect, i already addressed that. Take a look at how Gedo (Mareexaan territory) looked under the kacaan.

mareexan were all in mogadisho eating good, no need to build anything in gedo/

as for isaaq, isaaq civilians were being killed by ogaden armed by the government, when isaaq asked peacefully to prevent this he did nothing

 

[waraabe]

Cuz in that region the Ogaadeen have clan fueds with Isaaqs. Why would u be surprised that they would use them against us?

I would be surprised because isaaq taxes paid for those weapons as well as those refugees flooded isaaq regions (he refused to settle them in darod lands)

 

[jugjugwacwac]

mareexan were all in mogadisho eating good, no need to build anything in gedo/

as for isaaq, isaaq civilians were being killed by ogaden armed by the government, when isaaq asked peacefully to prevent this he did nothing

This may have justified the rebellion, u may be right. Like I said I'm open to that possibility. I'm just saying what SNM and all these other rebel groups gave Somalis was worse than the kacaan. We r lowest of the low now. At least under the kacaan we were respected around the world.

 

[merka]

Huh, before the bombings? The bombings were in 1988. SNM was formed 1981. I'm asking to you bring me proof of the oppression and persecution of Isaaqs specifically by the kacaan before the SNM was formed, which would justify it's formation.

As for the neglect, i already addressed that. Take a look at how Gedo (Mareexaan territory) looked under the kacaan.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Thanks for that sxb. I remember reading these sources a while back. That's why I'm saying maybe we were indeed justified to form the SNM. I just want to know about the situation in much more detail before I make a firm decision. I intend to talk to some of my older uncles when I go to Hargaysa soon, insha'Allah. I'm just saying, even if we had no choice but to rebel we should have done things better and by now give our people a better life. Do you understand where I'm coming from? It's very disappointing to see our current state of affairs.

The people are literally turning into skeletons and dying, it's unbelievable. Watch this

 

[waraabe]

Thanks for that sxb. I remember reading these sources a while back. That's why I'm saying maybe we were indeed justified to form the SNM. I just want to know about the situation in much more detail before I make a firm decision. I intend to talk to some of my older uncles when I go to Hargaysa soon, insha'Allah. I'm just saying, even if we had no choice but to rebel we should have done things better and by now give our people a better life. Do you understand where I'm coming from? It's very disappointing to see our current state of affairs.

The people are literally turning into skeletons and dying, it's unbelievable. Watch this

Very cheap comeback. You said give me evidence that SNM was justified in rebelling and you were provided with evidence and now you smart saying maybe. It's clear you won't fault the kacaan government so stop wasting your abs our time

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Very cheap comeback. You said give me evidence that SNM was justified in rebelling and you were provided with evidence and now you smart saying maybe. It's clear you won't fault the kacaan government so stop wasting your abs our time

I dont give a shit about the kacaan and Siyaad Barre. I only care about what's good for Somalia and the Somali people. Get that through ur thick skull.

 

[waraabe]

I dont give a shit about the kacaan and Siyaad Barre. I only care about what's good for Somalia and the Somali people. Get that through ur thick skull.

So advocate for a better system not the kacaan

 

[jugjugwacwac]

So advocate for a better system not the kacaan

The Kacaan wasn't even that good. He had those feminist laws which he killed the wadaads for, and he got us into a ill-timed and ill-planned war with ethiopia. He was also paranoid and too brutal at times. A much better government could've taken the Kacaans place and Somalis would be better off for it. But we didn't receive such a government did we? That's my problem with the whole situation. The rebels gave us clan fiefdoms that are helpless and obedient lapdogs of Ethiopia. Somaliland, Puntland and these other bulshit lands are dirt poor, no infrastructure to speak, no real military capabilities, no economy or jobs, nothing. Just tahriib, droughts, clan wars and desperate people. I want more, and my people deserve more. That's why I'm passionate about this sxb, not because I care about the kacaan, f*ck the kacaan.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

recognition or not sxb Somaliland wont be controlled from the south that is a fact

How long are the people of Somaliland willing to tolerate non-recognition? At what point does it become unrealistic to expect any progress? I don't see anyone from Somaliland posing these questions, which is very strange.

 

[waraabe]

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How long are the people of Somaliland willing to tolerate non-recognition? At what point does it become unrealistic to expect any progress? I don't see anyone from Somaliland posing these questions, which is very strange.

No need to discuss that anytime soon as the people are happy with Somaliland

 

[merka]

How long are the people of Somaliland willing to tolerate non-recognition? At what point does it become unrealistic to expect any progress? I don't see anyone from Somaliland posing these questions, which is very strange.

How will Somaliland rejoining Somalia help you against the political mess there? You need us to save you?