Somalis Kingdoms and Sultanates?

[Idilinaa]

How is he so sure that badda is located in nugal tho?

He said that he calculated distance from the coast based on details of locations given by Ibn Said or Al-Idrisi like how many days it took to reach the place and people in the area still call it Bada which the ruins are located next to a giant lake

 

[Midas]

He said that he calculated distance from the coast based on details of locations given by Ibn Said or Al-Idrisi like how many days it took to reach the place and people in the area still call it Bada which the ruins are located next to a giant lake

Do we have any chronicles from the majteertan sultanate or these other city states. Has anything been found?

 

[Idilinaa]

Do we have any chronicles from the majteertan sultanate or these other city states. Has anything been found?

We have founding of the sultanate , list of the kings starting from Uthman Mahamuud I and old commercial and diplomatic contracts from the sultanate . Mainly because these were the ones given to explorers like Revoil and Guillaine who visited in the 1800s.

There is also was a copy of a manuscript from a Majerteen Abaan given to Leuitenant Speke chronicle of Darud bin Ismail (1413) and narrating his arrival after collecting a strong party defeating the local rulers, Sultan named Kin, and Wazir named Wharrah. But we only have small reference to it and secondary orientalist take on it tho.

No idea if there is more that can be found in private hands, i would assume there should be.

 

[Midas]

We have founding of the sultanate , list of the kings starting from Uthman Mahamuud I and old commercial and diplomatic contracts from the sultanate . Mainly because these were the ones given to explorers like Revoil and Guillaine who visited in the 1800s.

There is also was a copy of a manuscript from a Majerteen Abaan given to Leuitenant Speke chronicle of Darud bin Ismail (1413) and narrating his arrival after collecting a strong party defeating the local rulers, Sultan named Kin, and Wazir named Wharrah. But we only have small reference to it and secondary orientalist take on it tho.

No idea if there is more that can be found in private hands, i would assume there should be.

I would honestly love to read these chronicles to see if there is some sort of shared sonalis mythos or maybe sort of somali kingship ideaology contained in them. Im assuming they contain a bunch of insights that could shed light on somali traditions/customs.


Its insane to me that nobody has tried to collect these chronicles to piece together a national historiography. I mean look at how much effort was put into swahili historiography which doesn't have the kind of chronicles we have available.

 

[Midas]

@Idilinaa do we have any chronciles for the warsangeli sultnate. I was just on their Wikipedia page. It seems so strange to me that we have the names and dates of all their sultans from 1298 onwards . I'm assuming there must be some source.
Also I'm confused on how the majerergan sultnate was founded in the late 14th century . But the warsangeli Has their sultante founded in the late 13th century?

 

[Midas]

I just looked all the other clana/sultnates. None of them go as far back Why is the warsangeli one so well documented? I don't want to slander anybody but could there be something off ?

It strikes me as incredible weird that both ifat/awdal and the warsangeli sultnate seem to have been founded in the late 13th century

 

[Idilinaa]

@Idilinaa do we have any chronciles for the warsangeli sultnate. I was just on their Wikipedia page. It seems so strange to me that we have the names and dates of all their sultans from 1298 onwards . I'm assuming there must be some source.
Also I'm confused on how the majerergan sultnate was founded in the late 14th century . But the warsangeli Has their sultante founded in the late 13th century?

I just looked all the other clana/sultnates. None of them go as far back Why is the warsangeli one so well documented? I don't want to slander anybody but could there be something off ?

It strikes me as incredible weird that both ifat/awdal and the warsangeli sultnate seem to have been founded in the late 13th century

Warsangeli might have originally been just a province governed by a Garaad that broke of from the Eastern Sultanate in 1620 or shortly after.
Before then it would just have been Harti as they are mentioned in Futuh. 1400s date of founding of the sultanate refers to this and is connected to the arrival of Darod Ibn Ismail. But the 1620 foundation where Uthman Mahamuud the 17th sultan in line re-organized it, that Sultanate probably refers to Majerteen Sultanate as we know it.

The 13th century date comes from the number of succeeding Garaad's , so people are counting the number of generations. But yeah i have no idea if there is chronicle out there or not about Warsangeli.

Also most of the chronicles we do have always relate back to Jihad for some reason.

Even the Gadabursi chronicle that I'M Lewis was lucky to review contains bits about Jihad

The same manuscript records Ugas Ali Makahil's Jihad against the Oromo invasion in year 1575

As i have explained this in different thread, what might be the case:

A lot of the chronicles/documents about that regions history do not always come from Harar, a big chunk of them were written on the northern coast or produced/survived elsewhere even as far as Yemen and then was brought there to Harar. There was widespread circulation of texts and Harar sometimes acted as a central collection place.

It's likely that the written historical production in Northern-Western Somalia took a different nature from South-Central(Mogadishu area) as it was mostly a state led enterprise concerned with documenting the struggle(Jihad) and political formation by central state actors as an extension of the political conflict and resistance to the Christian Abyssinia.

So if we were to find any new chronicles , odds are they would be narratives around conquest and jihad.