Some Somalis are now claiming Harar, and calling Hararis a fake ethnicity

[Abdisamadi]

so what if they cluster much closer to Amxaar? they are native to Harar, their language although being semitic, but it is distinct to that of ethiopian Highlands.

All semetic langugaes at one point had their origin in the highlands, if they didn't come recently Ethiopia would've controlled this area much earlier.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Exactly bro the hararis are the OG friends to somali people these guys were standing by us side by side like a brother advocating for somaliweyn they hoped that we can accomplish it and save them from the oromos but we have failed them and we have failed ourselves as a people.

I know they are business minded people as well we are natural allies they are no threat to us

 

[Cartan Boos]

What strikes me is that this is the same Oromo tactics who used to de-legitimatize hararis cause and their belonging to their city.

sxb it's literally true who in horn of africa is capable of anything except somali habesha non that's the honest true, somali habited all the way to shewa

 

[Zak12]

somali habited all the way to shewa

I remember there was recently discovered evidence of Somalis being in Shewa. I don't know if it was really true however

 

[Abdisamadi]

@Cartan Boos

What's your theory on the Harla Kingdom?

Harla kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cartan Boos]

Somalihoteps just fkn claim anything if it's muslim and has dubious origins.

hows is it hotep when archeologist agree with them are u retarded?

post invasion of the s it was inhabited by somali

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Harar is a Somali city no doubt about it though

the Hararis I’ve seen on twitter claim descent from harlas which is a Somali clan

 

[Three Moons]

The Hararis had their own city-state, their own royal family, a distinct language and a distinct culture. Yes, Harar had a large Somali population before Menelik’s conquest and subsequent purge, but a legitimate ethnicity that we know as the Hararis today had already formed by then. The real tragedy today is that they have no safe haven, no military counterweight, and no economic leverages to thwart the advances of larger ethnicities in the Horn, only their cultural distinction separates them from extinction. We as their historical partners should not entertain these theories that erases them as a people.

 

[Cartan Boos]

I remember there was recently discovered evidence of Somalis being in Shewa. I don't know if it was really true however

it was true oxford study as real as it can get

 

[Cartan Boos]

The Hararis had their own city-state, their own royal family, a distinct language and a distinct culture. Yes, Harar had a large Somali population before Menelik’s conquest and subsequent purge, but a legitimate ethnicity that we know as the Hararis today had already formed by then. The real tragedy today is that they have no safe haven, no military counterweight, and no economic leverages to thwart the advances of larger ethnicities in the Horn, only their cultural distinction separates them from extinction. We as their historical partners should not entertain these theories that erases them as a people.

archeologist literally disagree with u, these so called ''harari'' group never existed what u people smoking, the city was soley inhabited by somali as early as 1814 before abyssnia genocided them from their land

this exactly why ethiopia claim to invent caffe even tho it was invented in zeila 15s

s literally saw caffe as curse as early as 20th bc of their hatred against somalis, they avoided everything somali muslim did

 

[Cartan Boos]

wallahi u people have 68iq how yall arguing with facts, yall think so little of u people discredit them every chance yall get. what's next the darvish were amhara muslims?, somalis were genocided off from hararge and shewa we will take back our land don't care what bs muslim brothers u hoteps, am convinced non of yall are somalis

 

[Aseer]

some believe harar is rightfully theirs hararis need to stand up cause everybody is claiming their city

They can't they are too small and marginalised to do anything and they depended on us but we failed them.

 

[Abdisamadi]

wallahi u people have 68iq how yall arguing with facts, yall think so little of u people descriding them from anything, what's next the darvish were amhara muslims?, somalis were genocided off from hararge and shewa we will take ack our land don't care what bs muslim brothers u hoteps

You are right

Agrobba, Harla, all of the Ethio Semetic groups are decendants of Amxhaar that moved south to escape persecution and famine. It's not a coincidence the FIRST time the kingdom of harla was mentioned was in the book of Habesh Emperor Amda Siyon.

That doesn't mean we have to hate them, but that doesn't mean we have to coon for them either.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

You are right

Agrobba, Harla, all of the Ethio Semetic groups are decendants of Amxhaar that moved south to escape persecution and famine. It's not a coincidence the FIRST time the kingdom of harla was mentioned was in the book of Habesh Emperor Amda Siyon.

That doesn't mean we have to hate them, but that doesn't mean we have to coon for them either.

Harla are a Somali clan somali historians describe the world Harla as a term for urbanized Somalis

 

[Cartan Boos]

You are right

Agrobba, Harla, all of the Ethio Semetic groups are decendants of Amxhaar that moved south to escape persecution and famine. It's not a coincidence the FIRST time the kingdom of harla was mentioned was in the book of Habesh Emperor Amda Siyon.

That doesn't mean we have to hate them, but that doesn't mean we have to coon for them either.

argobba were made muslims by somalis when we conquered shewa, harla are somalis tho even al futuh says so, somalis built the first mosque there

 

[GaradShabeel]

The thing is, they are saying there is no such ethnic group as Hararis, but those who claim to be Hararis are in fact Oromos, Gurage, and sidamos. This is the same attacks as the Oromos claiming Hararis to be imposers Aderi. This is an attack on this vulnerable people.

I’m unequivocally against the attack of Hararis. But it’s not wrong to point out inaccuracies, irrespective of whether people find it to be offensive or not. Provided that you have legitimate evidence for your claims.

 

[Abdisamadi]

Harla are a Somali clan somali historians describe the world Harla as a term for urbanized Somalis

Wouldn't that mean the Harla kingdom is the first Somali kingdom ever? It wasn't even Muslim which makes me suspicious.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Wouldn't that mean the Harla kingdom is the first Somali kingdom ever? It wasn't even Muslim which makes me suspicious.

it was muslims also, chinese desrcibed kingdom when they visited zeila as early as 740s, i think the harla and this new kingdom were one

 

[Abdisamadi]

it was muslims also, chinese desrcibed kingdom when they visited zeila as early as 740s, i think the harla and this new kingdom were one

It was supposedly founded in the 6th century

 

[Three Moons]

archeologist literally disagree with u, these so called ''harari'' group never existed what u people smoking, the city was soley inhabited by somali as early as 1814 before abyssnia genocided them from their land
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There were no archaeologists in the Horn in 1814. You have only provided evidence that the Somali people were an integral part of Harar’s development and economic prosperity, but not shown any shred of proof that the Hararis didn’t exist as an ethnicity. Take this excerpt about the Harari language from 1855 for example, which is decades before Menelik’s conquest and the Battle of Chelenqo;

“Within the city a language is spoken quite different from the Somali and the Galla dialects; like the former, however, it is partly Semitic in grammar and etymology.”

- Burton’s Narrative of a trip to Harar p. 145, The Journal of the Royal Geographic Society of London Volume 25 By Royal Geographical Society · 1855

The Harari people were clearly a legitimate distinct group, with their own language that could have only been formed over the span of centuries, yet they still remained closely related to us through faith, intermarriage and commerce.