Some Thoughts on Dark Skin & Somalis

[VixR]

That is assuming the groom married her solely for her looks and that bleached up looking brides aren't common to begin with in Somalia. They don't bleach themselves on the preferences of men, they do it solely by their own accordance

If Somali men want to get an cad girl soo badley , they would be running off to Arabs and Cadaan women just so they could get mixed babies. Wait... this phenomena only exist for Somali women and not men at all.

Mhmm i wonder why.

There is no emphasis because men don't place importance on their own skin color nor do they place it on other men. Just not common to see a man praise another man for his skin color. Women praise other men for their skin color.


How does it progress to male skin bleaching .when as you said there is no emphasis attached to a mans skin color.

How self contradicting are you Why is there difference in emphasis ask yourself that?

I keep saying this, but its not the same emphasis, it's still positive and praised by both men and women.

Really, so the fact that it's a much emphasized and culture-wide beauty ideal = within their own accordance and not at the whims of men and society? This similar argument is put forth for FGM, and I gotta say it's pure hilarity in both contexts.


So now you've changed tact from men in Somalia to men overseas...

Plenty of Somali men date and marry out, but being that lineage is considered patriarchal, the emphasis is once again put on the women who date out, and thus every girl with an Ajnabi is in spotlight. Though, I wouldn't attach these reasons as their basis for dating out in general.

And here I'll state a controversial opinion. I can't with a conscience blame them, the Cheese&Xalwos, that is.

The kids of Cheese&Xalwo will not face the experiences that drove her to her conclusion.

 

[Insomnia]

I keep saying this, but its not the same emphasis, it's still positive and praised.

Why is there difference in emphasis between men and women? Answer this question.

It is made postive and praised by women, Yes. But you are not going to see a man praise another man for his skin tone or attribute something positive to it.

Thats why you dont see men bleach or have major struggles or insecurities based on skin tone.

Really, so the fact that it's a much emphasized and culture-wide beauty ideal = within their own accordance and not at the whims of men and society? This similar argument is put forth for FGM, and I gotta say it's pure hilarity in both contexts.

If it was culturally informed the beauty perception of lightskins would be equal on both genders like it is in other societies. This is caad iyo diana obsession however is largely propagated, driven by women, not men.

Its not an argument its an assessment of reality. Are you inferring that women have no intelligence,agency or autonomy to act or think for themselves.

Ok, so you women are dumb zombies.Good to know.

So now you've changed tact from men in Somalia to men overseas...

Plenty of Somali men date and marry out, but being that lineage is patriarchal, the emphasis is once again put on the woman who date out, and thus every girl with an Ajnabi is in spotlight. Though, I wouldn't attach these reasons as their basis for dating out in general.

And here I'll state a controversial opinion. I can't with a conscience blame them the Cheese&Xalwos of the world.

Obviously how would a man marry out in 90% somali majority country.

It has nothing to do with dating or marrying out. It has more to do with the reason behind them doing so.

Somali men by and large don't marry lightskinned ajanabi chicks so they can produce lightskinned children to brag about. But many Somali women (not all) do marry out because they want mixed light skinned children.

This is a widespread accepted fact.

 

[VixR]

Why is there difference in emphasis between men and women? Answer this question.

It is made postive and praised by women, Yes. But you are not going to see a man praise another man for his skin tone or attribute something positive to it.

Thats why you dont see men bleach or have major struggles or insecurities based on skin tone.

Because beauty itself is emphasized in women. I'm honestly surprised you had to ask. This should be intuitive.

The perception and stature of beauty in men vs women is markedly different.

But once you've established a positive inference to light skin tones to the point women are bleaching in droves, and women and men who are lightskinned are praised for their light skin (and yes men are praised by other men and women too), that opens the door for these types of insecurities, shade biases and struggles to manifest in the men themselves. It's the same progression that has already occured and continues to in Indian, Caribbean, African, Filipino and Latin societies.

Light is right ---> bleaching ---> women ---> men.

Anything tharpertains to looks culture/societywide will hit women first, bc beauty ideals are emphasized onto women first and foremost.

It was the same with Asians getting eye-shape surgeries. The women getting them in droves before the men started to.

Its not an argument its an assessment of reality. Are you inferring that women have no intelligence,agency or autonomy to act or think for themselevs.

Ok, so you women are dumb zombies.Good to know.


Obviously how would a men marry out in 90% somali majority country.

It has nothing to do with dating or marrying out. It has more to do with the reason behind them doing so.

Somali men by and large don't marry lightskinned ajanabi chicks so they can produce lightskinned children to brag about. But many Somali women (not all) do marry out because they want mixed light skinned children.

This is a widespread accepted fact.

See, now you're just trolling.

 

[Lord Flacko]

women and men who are lightskinned are praised for their light skin (and yes men are praised by other men

f*ck kinda men do you interact with?

Nayaa stop lying and get over yourself. It's the women that make other women bleach. Men aren't forcing it upon you. Just like with white chicks and tanning, it's the women that create the pressure to tan. Men wouldn't be up in arms or even care if women stopped using bleach. The day women stop bleaching men won't care, more will be happy for y'all.

Gender trends and such are almost always perpetuated by one gender against itself. Men don't buy brand clothes for women f,ex it's 99% of the time to flex on other men and in turn those men will do the same or outdo the first guy to fit in and such. The fact that some women like men wearing brand clothes is a second thought to the men buying brand clothes.

 

[Insomnia]

Because beauty itself is emphasized in women. I'm honestly surprised you had to ask. This should be intuitive.

The perception and stature of beauty in men vs women is markedly different.

Beauty is also emphasized in men as well. So you are not answering the question. You are just being dishonest.

The perception of beauty as it relates to skin color is not marked differently between the genders. Everything else is because of difference in anatomy of the sexes. Masculine vs Feminine. Ya get me?

Anything pertains to looks culture/society-wide will hit women first.

Is that some sort of physical law?

 

[VixR]

Beauty is also emphasized in men as well. So you are not answering the question. You are just being dishonest.

The perception of beauty as it relates to skin color is not marked differently between the genders. Everything else is because of difference in anatomy of the sexes. Masculine vs Feminine. Ya get me?




Is that some sort of physical law?

Beauty is also emphasized in men kulaha

You lost.

I'm not bothering to read the rest.

 

[VixR]

f*ck kinda men do you interact with?

Nayaa stop lying and get over yourself. It's the women that make other women bleach. Men aren't forcing it upon you. Just like with white chicks and tanning, it's the women that create the pressure to tan. Men wouldn't be up in arms or even care if women stopped using bleach. The day women stop bleaching men won't care, more will be happy for y'all.

Gender trends and such are almost always perpetuated by one gender against itself. Men don't buy brand clothes for women f,ex it's 99% to flex on other men and in turn those men will do the same or outdo the first guy to fit in and such. The fact that some women like men wearing brand clothes is a second thought to the men buying brand clothes.

That's in a Western context, warya.

In Somalia, men link arms. And here, older guys easily praise wiil cano, and I wouldn't say it if I didn't see it. Stop attaching Western ideas of ry to these actions

As for the rest, you're incredibly naive.

 

[Insomnia]

f*ck kinda men do you interact with?

Nayaa stop lying and get over yourself. It's the women that make other women bleach. Men aren't forcing it upon you. Just like with white chicks and tanning, it's the women that create the pressure to tan. Men wouldn't be up in arms or even care if women stopped using bleach. The day women stop bleaching men won't care, more will be happy for y'all.

Gender trends and such are almost always perpetuated by one gender against itself. Men don't buy brand clothes for women f,ex it's 99% to flex on other men and in turn those men will do the same or outdo the first guy to fit in and such. The fact that some women like men wearing brand clothes is a second thought to the men buying brand clothes.

PREACH!!!
This chick said we dudes praise each others skin color , That is some next level Qaaniisnimo.. No Faraax i know walks around positively commenting on his homies skin hue.

I almost thought of not responding to her when she said that.

 

[government]

PREACH!!!
This chick said we dudes praise each others skin color , That is some next level Qaaniisnimo.. No Faraax i know walks around positively commenting on his homies skin hue.

I almost thought of not responding to her when she said that.

She said she did not grow around somalis but know she is acting like an expert on somalis

 

[Insomnia]

She said she did not grow around somalis but know she is acting like an expert on somalis

If she didn't grow up around Somalis that would explain a lot. She talks like an outsider looking in.

That or she has some major Qaniissyaal men in her family.

 

[government]

If she didn't grow up around Somalis that would explain a lot. She talks like an outsider looking in.

That or she has some major Qaniissyaal men in her family.

I think it's both no functioning family can produce someone with this level of retardation unless all the men are s

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Guys don't let her move the goal posts by refusing to stick to the definition of colourism after it was presented to her. Even if many Somali men do prefer light skin over dark skin when it comes to Somali women, as she claims and which may even be true, this still does not meet the requirements for colourism. Colourism necessarily entails a colour based social hierarchy whithin an ethnic group, in which the darker members are subjected to prejudice and discrimination. @VixR and the other girls weren't able to provide even one example of this happening in Somali society.

I don't see how a preference for light skin is any different than a preference for slim girls over fat girls or long slender limbs over short stubby ones or big wide eyes over small beady eyes. What's with the focus on colour when Somali men look at all these other features and place even more importance on those? I know for many Somali guys weight is a deal breaker for them if the girl is too heavy, but I've never seen a Somali guy, even the ones who prefer lighter skin, where the girls skin colour was a deal breaker, never. Are u guys prepared to remain logicaly consistent and also wage a war on weight-ism, eye-ism, smile-ism, body-shape-ism, hair-ism? You guys would still be wrong, cuz any 'ism' implies implications beyond beauty standards and the presence of prejudice and discrimination, which doesn't exist in our society, but hey it would be a start.

Beauty ideals are just that, beauty ideals, and every single society has them. How in these girls' selective minds only one of them mysteriously translates into being an 'ism' is beyond me, and how it did so without any evidence of it leading to prejudice and discrimination is even more mind-boggling.

 

[DuctTape]

@VixR is this an attempt at trolling?
The argument centred around the definition of colourism. You were given it multiple times, and only replied when the thread was filled with the same image of the Google definition. You accuse people of moving the goalposts but you yourseld have been imposing your own artificial conditions on whether or not it qualifies as colourism. Open your eyes and see that the people you're arguing with have presented reasonable arguments, instead of saying "NO it ISN'T colourism."

@Assata Shakur You have served no purpose in this thread other than loudly agreeing with @VixR and bragging about how long your block list is. Don't do that. It just makes you look immature and stupid, and afraid to see opinions that you don't like.

 

[Vanguard]

That's in a Western context, warya.

In Somalia, men link arms. And here, older guys easily praise wiil cano, and I wouldn't say it if I didn't see it. Stop attaching Western ideas of ry to these actions

As for the rest, you're incredibly naive.

It is disingenuous to draw parallels between the men holding hands in Somalia and the men you've seen who praise each other's skin colour. Afaik, if a man praises another based on his physical attributes, you can be sure that there will be raised eyebrows in the room. It is universally suspect to praise another man's looks, because that's what women do. This is not the same as two faaraxs holding hands back home because they're friends and holding hands is seen as an endearing act.

 

[Assata]

@VixR is this an attempt at trolling?
The argument centred around the definition of colourism. You were given it multiple times, and only replied when the thread was filled with the same image of the Google definition. You accuse people of moving the goalposts but you yourseld have been imposing your own artificial conditions on whether or not it qualifies as colourism. Open your eyes and see that the people you're arguing with have presented reasonable arguments, instead of saying "NO it ISN'T colourism."

@Assata Shakur You have served no purpose in this thread other than loudly agreeing with @VixR and bragging about how long your block list is. Don't do that. It just makes you look immature and stupid, and afraid to see opinions that you don't like.

How dare you mention me.


You're blocked too.

 

[DuctTape]

How dare you mention me.


You're blocked too.

 

[$$$$]

Exactly sis.


It's so obvious it's blatantly in front us.

But they really want to claim we're not a colorist society.


My block list is a mile long now.

Abaayo. I think your forgot about before. We are still waiting for your example.

 

[Abdalla]

Every argument they made has been refuted with logic and superb analogies and now they are going in circles. It has been established that skin colour is not an indicator for socioeconomic status whatsoever. Astata shakour or whatever her name is tried to link the marginalisation of bantus to colourism, while forgetting that ethnic Somalis and even cadcads are marginalised and treated as outcasts. Many influential Somalis have bantu features yet were able to rise at the top of politics and business.

@VixR is the same girl that denied, even when her posts were shown to her, that she naively believed that the fictitious character Cigaal Shidaad was ogadeen and as a result of his cowardice, his Ogadeen subclan became an outcast. If she knew anything about Somali culture, she would know that Ogadeen is the largest subclan of Somalia and that practically everyone has an Ogadeen grandma. She has no perspective whatsoever. A good girl nevertheless.

I would like to ask you something vixr. You claimed that you hardly interact with Somalis. Where do you get your information from? What's your source. It can't be anecdotal, since you banned Somalis from your social life?

 

[VixR]

@Abdalla I can't believe you're still throwing out that Shidaad crap when I've already given you the entire fucking thread to browse nacala kutaal. Colorism doesn't have to = institutionalization or socioeconomics to be classified as colorism, which is what they've beem trying to do all along, but I'm sorry, it's not working. The very ppl the argument was based on for being afflicted (the AA) do not have any socioeconomic affect, and darkskinned ppl still can gain prominence and often do in their community, and yet colorism is undoubtedly existent and no one would argue that it doesn't. You continue to be dishonest. As well as these other denialists.

@ductape Funny how I'm being accused (moving goalposts etc) of what you've @jugjugwacwac and co. have been doing all along, but it's clear at this point you're all in gross denial.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Colorism doesn't have to = institutionalization or socioeconomics to be classified as colorism, which is what they've beem trying to do all along, but I'm sorry, it's not working. The very ppl the argument was based on for being afflicted (the AA) do not have any socioeconomic affect, and darkskinned ppl still can gain prominence and often do in their community

You sure about that? Why don't wd see whether African Americans themselves agree with you?

"Colorism—the remnant of slavery, colonialism, and white supremacy—is a tool that divides people of color and creates infighting where there should be solidarity and unity. In many Black families, it is the reason for contention and misunderstandings. And within the Black Diaspora, it is a reason to self-segregate."

"The big question that remains is: Who is responsible for reconciling the issues created by centuries of colorism that has perpetuated a set of social, financial, and economic hierarchies?"

http://www.forharriet.com/2016/01/black-women-who-benefit-from-colorism.html#axzz4b2pPLxpH