Hehe, it's worth trying. I should probably just note here that though I myself did partake in some cambuulo at a friends house (and enjoyed it!), I am actually not Hawiye myself. I was only interested in pointing out the objective differences between Afweyne and Caydiid.
State funeral of the 5th President of Somalia, His Excellency Maxamed Faarax Ceydiid
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I have lived in Somalia. Most of these unis are two storey buildings with 10 classrooms maximum. Even the famed SIMAD and Mogadishu University barely have libraries or proper faculties.
By comparison, SNU had numerous departments, attracted expert European lecturers and attracted international students, including the current Chinese ambassador to Somalia. Furthermore, studying at SNU allowed for students to pursue post-doctorate studies abroad at places such as Harvard or Oxbridge.
Today, if a Somali receives a bachelor from SIMAD, it converts to a second/third year of a bachelors degree in Europe. I know this.
As for our schools, I can win this argument easily with two words. Free schools.
Woke1.4rm.Shibis
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Somalia wasn't in good condition when Siyaad was sent running off lol. Maybe the church and the arch in xamar was in good shape because that's all they show you in "Somalia before civil war" videoswe are better now than we were in 1990
Sax , other then the buildings and structure that Italian left , somalia was a shithole way befor siad barre got chased out
This is 1987 3 years befor said barre used heavy artillery to level some districts in xamar .
The video shows ansalooti, xamarwenye which is considered downtown.
When we see vids of Somalia in the 1980s
It was always few spots in xamar and not all of Mogadishu .
Ciyaal booli qaraan want to convince us otherwise.
No one is denying, at least not me.
The point is a horribly-run Somalia that had functioning public institutions, stability and sovereignty was a lot better than post-1991 Somalia.
Somalia under Barre was better than Ethiopia, Djibouti and Kenya. You think those areas in the video were horrible, imagine what Kibera and Mathare looked like in the 1980's.
Barre said multiple times that his leaving Somalia would cause collapse and Aideed did not even think to have a plan for what happens next. Everything that happened after Barre was his fault.
False, he did. Look at the interview I posted before
Cap.
You can compare his response to SNM and see the fruits.
Aideed is taught in international relations as what not to do during regime change.
Do you want me to link an interview where Siyaad said the same thing in 1969.
Or a compilation video of numerous dictators saying the same thing.
It is almost a hallmark of dictators to call international media and say "Change is here" before going in the opposite direction.
You know nothing about history or international relations and it shows.
Woke1.4rm.Shibis
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Bro why can't you accept that you're ignorant on these topics? You claimed a while ago that caydiid destroyed from kismaayo to bosaso. Why should anyone take you seriously?
Here a list of two and what their leaders said:
1. Myanmar: "In his first public comments after the coup, Gen Hlaing sought to justify the takeover. He said the military was on the side of the people and would form a "true and disciplined democracy". The military says it will hold a "free and fair" election once the state of emergency is over."
Source: BBC News
2. Uganda (Idi Amin, 1971): "General Amin said he was a soldier not a politician and the military government would be a caretaker regime until new elections. The election date would be announced as soon as the situation was normal."
Source: The Guardian
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As you may very well know, democracy did not come in those two cases, despite very public interviews stating the opposite.
Aideed did destroy Kismaayo to Bosaaso, figuratively. His raids, looting, massacres and rapes, destroyed former Italian Somalia.
You can defend him all you want but I have actually read unbiased accounts of Aideed.
Fun fact, he is also the reason why no-one stopped the Rwandan genocide.
His book "The Preferred Future Development of Somalia" is very good if anyone wants to read his policy views in detail. Very capable General, avoided six major capture attempts by Delta Forces, was up against hawks and 32 countries, it is hard to implement your plan when a lot is stacked against you. My view is Cumar Carte pushing to disband the Somali Army was the straw that broke the camel's back, it legitimised clan militia, they should have declared a sovereign council like Sudan where Ali Mahdi can chair, not Presidency as that must be earned rightfully, the problem started in July 1991, some Hawiye gathered to declare Aideed USC Chairman and Cali Mahdi went to Djibouti and othes declared him President. Another fault thanks to Mario Sica who came to the scene knowing little about Somalis and rushed an election. Instead of a sovereign council with a chairman that appoints an Army committee to oversee neutralising the Siad remnants and then start the road to democratise the country.
Somalia should follow the Sudan model of politics, look how similar we are to Sudans politics, they had a sovereign council everytime the state leaders acted up and when out of line, new leaders were elected and it happened again in 2019.
In 2022 they are holding elections and their focus is constitution. A country can progress with an agreed upon electoral system and constitution. Why don't the English ever overthrow their leaders when they protest everyday? They have a constitution going over 1,000 years. An inch tight qaanuun and dastuur is needed to allow political debating to move away from gunfire.
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Amoud and Hargeysa universities aren't two stories building but well functioning high education institutions and Hargeysa university recently partnered with Spanish university under Erasmus program https://www.ftlsomalia.com/eu-ambassador-to-somalia-visits-hargeisa-university/
The EU Ambassador paid a visit to the University of Hargeisa - University of Hargeisa
The EU ambassador Nicolas Berlanga-Martinez paid a visit to the University of Hargeisa. The ambassador had a fruitful meeting with the University […]
www.uoh-edu.net
codewebsduh
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Siad led a country for 21 years, mooryans like @Woke1.4rm.Shibis couldn't run it a day before murdering innocent people enmasse. Isaaq, Darood, Dir, Barwaani civilians were all massacred in their homes for no reason other then being from a clan. It was one of the reasons daroods in british Somaliland signed independence with Isaaq in 91.Didn siad barre become the president by the gun to. 1969 coup
The half southern bantus turned Mogadishu into a wasteland after only 1 year:
Just watch this video in 1992 to see how retarded reer @Galmudug-State is.
The more i read about somali history the more bizaare it seems, after reer @Galmudug-State killed off all the innocents they started fighting between each other for the hellhole they created. reer @Galmudug-State and reer @Jungle massacred each other in their homes until they had no more money to wage war.
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@mr steal your naag after relief workers came to Mogadishu to help people , @Woke1.4rm.Shibis couldn't help himself.
Lol can you read my mind? i was litterly watching that vid 10 min ago lol. And these ones to. Iam not gonna lie those usa soldiers deserved that
codewebsduh
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It was only until Abdullahi Yusuf came back did a semblance of government form in Mogadishu. I doubt Somalia will get better until everyone is educated.
Meanwhile in Somaliland a former NSS officer who would torture people to death while interrogating them became president. I believe there are two different cultures between SL&PL vs Koonfur.
They had peace with the ICU for a while
Jungle
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He is a gaal sxb lolThey had peace with the ICU for a while
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