They were not bad they achieved allot of things and even reopened the mogadushi airport
State funeral of the 5th President of Somalia, His Excellency Maxamed Faarax Ceydiid
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As well as the port. I know what they achieved. Many diaspora went back right after they took over but
Yeah and the port to. Are you from xamar?
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Only a hawiye could celebrate Aidid and criticise Abdullahi yusuf in the same thread.
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Amoud and Hargeysa universities aren't two stories building but well functioning high education institutions and Hargeysa university recently partnered with Spanish university under Erasmus program https://www.ftlsomalia.com/eu-ambassador-to-somalia-visits-hargeisa-university/
The EU Ambassador paid a visit to the University of Hargeisa - University of Hargeisa
The EU ambassador Nicolas Berlanga-Martinez paid a visit to the University of Hargeisa. The ambassador had a fruitful meeting with the University […]www.uoh-edu.net
I know about both Amoud and Hargeisa. They're decent universities but they do not compete with the resources we had for SNU.
SNU received both private and public funding with many of its alumni going onto studying overseas at Harvard, Georgetown or Oxbridge. Abdiweli Gaas was able to study in Ivy league universities and Abdulqawi (current ICJ president) was able to study in Geneva with a SNU degree.
Furthermore, it had regular guest lecturers from Europe that specialised in course subjects. Imagine how good that university would be had the war not occurred.
The current Chinese ambassador to Somalia, Wei Hongtian, was a SNU alumni, becoming fluent in the Somali language.
The ICU is really romanticised by Somalis. Disagree with Abdullahi Yusuf if you want but the ICU was just a coalition of wadaads from Southern Somalia with vastly different views on how to run a country.
The only thing they had in common was religion and even then they disagreed on its interpretation.
The only thing they had in common was religion and even then they disagreed on its interpretation.
I do not agree with this. Siyaad's random executions and "disappearances" created the environment for a civil war.
The reason why Kenya did not fight amongst themselves is because their dictators had self-realisation that Siyaad did not have. Moi knew when to cut his losses and implemented democracy when it started getting risky.
Had Siyaad employed any objective advisers, they would have advised that the end of the Cold War was going to be the end of international support. Human Rights Watch already started blowing the whistle on the Kacaan by 1989. Instead he employed numerous sycophants that used the deteriorating situation to plunder national resources before the inevitable collapse.
The minute SNM and USC started making gains, he should've called them and arranged multi-party elections. In the event they won, he would have saved some dignity and let Aideed damage his own image without the romanticism of being a hero.
I agree but cut the old man some slack he was practically a zookeeper for 20 years the civil war was inevitable you cant rule Somalis collectively, Federalism is good.
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Your such a hypocrite , those u.n workers were abducted by mudane omar fillis militia , the same man farmajo made the governor of banadir and mayor of Mogadishu.
If you support farmajo why are complaining about his minnion past deeds ?
My abti filish got paid handsomely for this
I hated that bengali dude since I was 9 for inviting xaaboosh in somaliaOnly a hawiye could celebrate Aidid and criticise Abdullahi yusuf in the same thread.
It's good we have many unvis instead of one and many of those have partnered with european turkish and asian unvis
The man overthrew a democracy, I have to be harsh.
I am not saying Somalia had perfect governance pre-Kacaan but the problems were much more manageable than what happened during the Kacaan and ever since.
Somalia in 1969 had the best potential out nearly every other African nation.
Problem was that the Americans were training Somali civil servants while the USSR was training the military. The latter did not want Somalia to be influenced by their rivals and used their lackeys to stage a coup. It took a war with Ethiopia for the Kacaan to realise that Marxist-Leninism theory was a sham.
Can you honestly argue that Somalia would have been worse off had Siyaad not decided to overthrow the government in 1969, regardless of good or bad he did.
Look, let me level with you.
I am not defending the decision to have one university pre-1991 but I would rather have one good university by African standards than numerous average ones.
Barely any student from a university back home is employable in the West or in MENA or in APAC.
Meanwhile, SNU had produced prominent international lawyers, economists, toxicologists and mathematicians.
Can a person from Amoud do a post-grad at Harvard with their undergraduate degree?
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Fake news ,
USC protected issaqs , dir were allied with usc /aideed faction and barvanese didnt live in Mogadishu .
As for daroods nobody targetted them infact there are majerteens that still live in abdi aziiz and have been living there through out the war .
You can still find issaqs that lived there throughout the civil war and Ethiopian invasion .one famous issaq is the current upper house speaker
As for the inner hiraab squabble it was sad times but we made peace and moved on now children of hiraab intermarry each other heavily . You can find ciyal hiraab living toghther peacefull in every district in Mogadishu .
We turned the same grounds ciyal hiraab fought in heavily to now a peace garden
I hope to see you there when your tired of staring at rocks in sanaag
If there's partnership yes
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Greatest man in Somali history. Towers above all other figures. What a man. A true laandheere and saved Central/South Somalia from Siyad’s attempted genocide. Could’ve united Somaliland and Somalia. But was betrayed.
I do not hold any grudges against the Somaliland people and they deserve their independence. Inshallah we can all form a Somali brotherhood one day however
I do not hold any grudges against the Somaliland people and they deserve their independence. Inshallah we can all form a Somali brotherhood one day however
Ignore that murtad. Don't let him converse with us. His own qabiil would hang himFake news ,
USC protected issaqs , dir were allied with usc /aideed faction and barvanese didnt live in Mogadishu .
As for daroods nobody targetted them infact there are majerteens that still live in abdi aziiz and have been living there through out the war .
You can still find issaqs that lived there throughout the civil war and Ethiopian invasion .one famous issaq is the current upper house speaker
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As for the inner hiraab squabble it was sad times but we made peace and moved on now children of hiraab intermarry each other heavily . You can find ciyal hiraab living toghther peacefull in every district in Mogadishu .
We turned the same grounds ciyal hiraab fought in heavily to now a peace garden
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I hope to see you there when your tired of staring at rocks in sanaag
He was still a respected man at the time. Could have made alliances with Isaaq and Darood leaders and painted C/Mahdi as the cadow of Somalia. It's called politickin nigga
Clearly not respected enough as every militia leader was hellbent on getting what he wanted. If he was so respected then why did so many of them, including Daroods, go out of their way with the bs Djibouti conference that illegitimately elected the useless Ali Mahdi.He was still a respected man at the time. Could have made alliances with Isaaq and Darood leaders and painted C/Mahdi as the cadow of Somalia. It's called politickin nigga
He had a great relationship with the Isaaq, and had made a deal with the SNM but that was also destroyed by the bs Djibouti conference. In fact, this was the straw that broke the camels back and triggered the decision for Somaliland's declaration of Independence at the Burco conference.
I find it interesting that so many want to say Caydiid should have done better, when every other militia leader in the south, Including Daroods, Hawiyes and .5s, was looting and committing war crimes?. Caydiid failed, so did every other Southern leader - why was the onus only on him to do the impossible and unite Southern Somalis?
We all know what is behind that bullshit argument, and it isn't facts or reason.
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