Sudan autosomal study

[Menelik III]

Retard, Oromos originate from proto-Somalis who went to South Ethiopia. They are diluted Somalis, mixed race with South Ethiopians. They are not the ancestors of Somalis who are far purer than Oromos.

That's unsubstantiated. Who is to say that you both aren't just Afars who went different directions.

 

[Apollo]

I never said they are the ancestors of Somalis. I said they are the ancestors of the 'Darut'.

Tribalist Kangz Retard with IQ 68

 

[Von]

Most Darod are descended from Oromos who assimilated to the Somali ethnic group. Just look at Geri Kombe Darod. That is the ancient Darod link with Oromia. They are the Darod prototype that haven't fully evolved into the Somali.

As for the few Dir clans in Hararghe who mixed with Oromos, it is very recent and a testament to our loss in the War. It is a source of pride, not grief.

That's unsubstantiated. Who is to say that you both aren't just Afars who went different directions.

That's unsubstantiated. Who is to say that you aren't just Yemeni who came to Africa.

 

[Malaki]

Tribalist Kangz Retard with IQ 68

Well, actually, the Bell Curve attested that sample test to mainly Daruts.

It wasn't an encompassing test. No Dir was tested. It would have easily shot up to triple figures.

 

[Malaki]

That's unsubstantiated. Who is to say that you aren't just Yemeni who came to Africa.

We need some Geri Koombes skeletons in the Ethiopian National Museum. They will be studied to ascertain the origins of the 'Darut'.

 

[Apollo]

That's unsubstantiated. Who is to say that you both aren't just Afars who went different directions.

Somalis have the peak in the Cushitic cluster.

Any kind of Oromo or Afar will have less of it.

 

[Von]

We need some Geri Koombes skeletons in the Ethiopian National Museum. They will be studied to ascertain the origins of the 'Darut'.

And who is going to do the study ? The Historial department of Ethiopia? They will just self-select the findings to get the results they want but no Yemeni can lie to me
And what about you ? "Most Darod are descended from Oromos" 75 percent of all Somalis are Darood and i know that Oromos did try to assimilate Habeshas and Somalis but i have not seen a study that outrightly says Somalis or Habesha are mixed Oromos. Somalis are not Oromos

 

[Apollo]

Oromos being the ancestors of Somalis is akin to saying that African-Americans or Ashkenazi Jews (mixed) are the ancestors of West Africans or Ancient Hebrews (pure), ridiculous:

https://anthromadness.blogspot.de/2017/08/some-interesting-nmonte-models-for.html

https://anthromadness.blogspot.de/2015/03/the-oromo-people-heterogeneous.html

 

[Menelik III]

Somalis have the peak in the Cushitic cluster.

Any kind of Oromo or Afar will have less of it.

It's a classic case of who came first, the chicken or the egg. No one knows if the mixing precedes the movement or not. I'm assuming that cushties differentiated from each other later on in time as the there's relatively smaller amount of cushtic language branches.

 

[Apollo]

It's a classic case of who came first, the chicken or the egg. No one knows if the mixing precedes the movement or not. I'm assuming that cushties differentiated from each other later on in time as the there's relatively smaller amount of cushtic language branches.

It's a fact that Somalis are more Ancient than Oromos.

 

[DeathWish]

The Egyptians weren't even that impressive. China and India have a bigger impact on world history.

Nacas foqol nacas! How were they unimpressive when they built the Great Pyramid of Giza which remained as the tallest man-made structure for 4000 years? Some scientists and engineers believe that it was built by an advanced ancient civilization or aliens. Not one stucture is comparable to the pyramids of Giza in the ancient world. How were they unimpressive when they developed the most influential written script, the hieroglyph/hieratic, which influenced the Phoenician, Arab, Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and possibly even the Indian Brahimi script. How were they unimpressive if the mathematics and sciences that the most famous Greeks (Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes) scientists introduced all originated from the Kemetians (ancient Egyptians)? Without the Egyptians and the Nubians, this world would be at least 1000 years behind!
Do some damn research before typing such b.s

 

[Apollo]

Nacas foqol nacas! How were they unimpressive when they built the Great Pyramid of Giza which remained as the tallest man-made structure for 4000 years? Some scientists and engineers believe that it was built by an advanced ancient civilization or aliens.

WE WUZ KANGZ

 

[Prince Abubu]

Lol, Pyramids aren't even advanced structures. It's basically classical mechanics/statics. Any empire with enough manpower could've done it. Chinese gunpowder and the Indian Zero were game-changers, meanwhile the pyramids are nothing but quaint monuments to Pharoanic vanity.

 

[DeathWish]

WE WUZ KANGZ

You lost the debate! Admit it. I cited some quotes from 6 top institutions and you still can't admit that you're wrong? Here are some more:





Unversity of Tennessee
The Mahalanobis D2 analysis uncovered close affinities between Nubians and Egyptians. In some cases, the statistics reveal that the Egyptian samples were more similar to Nubian samples than to other Egyptian samples and vice versa. If Nubians and Egyptians were not biologically similar, one would expect the scores to separately cluster by population, however, this was not the case in the current analysis and the results suggest homogeneity between the two populations.
http://www.academia.edu/6364579/An_...r_Biological_Diffusion_or_In_Situ_Development






University of Indiana
"Ancient Egyptian civilization was, in ways and to an extent usually not recognized, fundamentally African. The evidence of both language and culture reveals these African roots. The origins of Egyptian ethnicity lay in the areas south of Egypt. The ancient Egyptian language belonged to the Afrasian family (also called Afroasiatic or, formerly, Hamito-Semitic). The speakers of the earliest Afrasian languages, according to recent studies, were a set of peoples whose lands between 15,000 and 13,000 B.C. stretched from Nubia in the west to far northern Somalia in the east. They supported themselves by gathering wild grains. The first elements of Egyptian culture were laid down two thousand years later, between 12,000 and 10,000 B.C., when some of these Afrasian communities expanded northward into Egypt, bringing with them a language directly ancestral to ancient Egyptian. They also introduced to Egypt the idea of using wild grains as food."
(Christopher Ehret (1996) "Ancient Egyptian as an African Language, Egypt as an African Culture." In Egypt in Africa Egypt in Africa, Theodore Celenko (ed), Indiana University Press)







University College London
Over the last two decades, numerous contemporary (Khartoum Neolithic) sites and cemeteries have been excavated in the Central Sudan.. The most striking point to emerge is the overall similarity of early neolithic developments inhabitation, exchange, material culture and mortuary customs in the Khartoum region to those underway at the same time in the Egyptian Nile Valley, far to the north."
(Wengrow, David (2003) "Landscapes of Knowledge, Idioms of Power: The African Foundations of Ancient Egyptian Civilization Reconsidered," in Ancient Egypt in Africa, David O'Connor and Andrew Reid, eds. Ancient Egypt in Africa. London: University College London Press, 2003, pp. 119-137)








University of Alberta
Here is an Afrocentric critic, Mary Lefkowitz (worked at Harvard and is a scholar of the Greek civilization), admitting that Egypt was black (btw, she is more qualified than you).

"Recent work on skeletons and DNA suggests that the people who settled in the Nile valley, like all of humankind, came from somewhere south of the Sahara; they were not (as some nineteenth-century scholars had supposed) invaders from the North.
See Bruce G. Trigger, "The Rise of Civilization in Egypt," Cambridge History of Africa (Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 1982), vol I, pp 489-90; S. O. Y. Keita, "Studies and Comments on Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships," History in Africa 20 (1993) 129-54."
(Mary Lefkotitz (1997). Not Out of Africa: How Afrocentrism Became an Excuse to Teach Myth as History. Basic Books. pg 242)

"not surprisingly, the Egyptian skulls were not very distance from the Jebel Moya [a Neolithic site in the southern Sudan] skulls, but were much more distance from all others, including those from West Africa. Such a study suggests a closer genetic affinity between peoples in Egypt and the northern Sudan, which were close geographically and are known to have had considerable cultural contact throughout prehistory and pharaonic history... Clearly more analyses of the physical remains of ancient Egyptians need to be done using current techniques, such as those of Nancy Lovell at the University of Alberta is using in her work.."
(- Mary Lefkowitz, "Black Athena Revisted. pp. 105-106)



As you can see above, not only does she admit that the Egyptians and Nubians are related, but she also asks Dr. Nancy Lovell to do more analyses. Here is her analysis:




"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas."
(Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)

"must be placed in the context of hypotheses informed by archaeological, linguistic, geographic and other data. In such contexts, the physical anthropological evidence indicates that early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage, but exhibiting local variation. This variation represents the short and long term effects of evolutionary forces, such as gene flow, genetic drift, and natural selection, influenced by culture and geography." ("Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999). pp 328-332)

"A biological affinities study based on frequencies of cranial nonmetric traits in skeletal samples from three cemeteries at Predynastic Naqada, Egypt, confirms the results of a recent nonmetric dental morphological analysis. Both cranial and dental traits analyses indicate that the individuals buried in a cemetery characterized archaeologically as high status are significantly different from individuals buried in two other, apparently non-elite cemeteries and that the non-elite samples are not significantly different from each other. A comparison with neighboring Nile Valley skeletal samples suggests that the high status cemetery represents an endogamous ruling or elite segment of the local population at Naqada, which is more closely related to populations in northern Nubia than to neighboring populations in southern Egypt."
(T. Prowse, and N. Lovell "Concordance of cranial and dental morphological traits and evidence for endogamy in ancient Egypt". American journal of physical anthropology. 1996, vol. 101, no2, pp. 237-246 (2 p.1/4)




If you can't believe all this evidence then there is something wrong with you. Leave this discussion and stop spreading your pseudoscience. All historians now believe that without a shadow of a doubt, ancient Egypt was black. Stop embarrassing yourself!

Lol, Pyramids aren't even advanced structures. It's basically classical mechanics/statics. Any empire with enough manpower could've done it. Chinese gunpowder and the Indian Zero were game-changers, meanwhile the pyramids are nothing but quaint monuments to Pharoanic vanity.

You have just proved your ignorance! The pyramids weren't advanced structures?

Here are some facts about the Pyramids
http://www.ancientfacts.net/7-astonishing-facts-ancient-egyptian-pyramids/?view=all

Some incredible facts not mentioned in that article are:
1. The Great Pyramid would be visible from the moon
2. The Egyptians somehow managed to lift 1000 tonnes while the strongest crane in the world can life 1,200 tons
3. The Great Pyramid of Giza – completed in 2540 BC – is unrivaled, with superior materials, engineering and design to any built before or since.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160808-will-the-skyscrapers-outlast-the-pyramids

You talk about the number 0 being developed in India, but that number was truly put to use by the Persian Muslims who made Algebra and Algorithms. Could they (the Persians) have done this without their script which originates from the Egyptians? The written script that was developed by the Egyptians is far more important than the zero that was developed by the Indians.

 

[Apollo]

You lost the debate! Admit it. I cited some quotes from 6 top institutions and you still can't admit that you're wrong?

Mr Kangz, you are wrong:

Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

 

[DeathWish]

Mr Kangz, you are wrong:

Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

Mr. Neanderthallover you are wrong!


This is a quote from a Ph.D. in Egyptology that worked for both the Cambridge Museum and the British Museum (most important for Egyptology)

The sample size is very small; it is limited to a single area; it covers a period of over 1000 years; the majority of the sample was taken from Late Period to the Roman Period, so it really isn’t possible to extrapolate to earlier periods. All of these limitations are, if I recall correctly, cited in the full paper.
The sampling was heavily flawed. So, I don’t really see that the study is worth trying to rationalise.
http://kemetexpert.com/dna-from-kemet-does-it-really-have-all-of-the-answers/#comments

 

[Apollo]

Mr. Neanderthallover you are wrong!

Analysis of 90 ancient Egyptian mitochondrial genomes.

Less than 5% L (African).

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

 

[DeathWish]

Analysis of 90 ancient Egyptian mitochondrial genomes.

Less than 5% L (African).

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

You have provided me with one heavily flawed study and I am providing you with 10 different institutions that know for a fact that Egypt was black.
You lost! I will not answer you again because you have no real answer to what all these Ph.D.'s have found in their research.

 

[Apollo]

You have provided me with one heavily flawed study and I am providing you with 10 different institutions that know for a fact that Egypt was black.
You lost! I will not answer you again because you have no real answer to what all these Ph.D.'s have found in their research.

Saudis are the closest population maternally to the Ancient Egyptians:

Levantine Neolithic are the closest autosomally:

Muh Black Civilization wuz Levantine

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

@Amun so the Ancient Egytians had next to no african admixture to speak of? Literally nothing to do with Africa at all! They were basically Middle Eastern HGs who found the Nile valley hospitable.

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