The dangers of Sufism. Sufis come in

[East side]

Again tell me why Bin Laden was a mujahid for fighting against Soviets, but a khawaarij for fighting against the Americans in the gulf? He was a mujahid in 1989, and a khawaarij in 1990.

Tell me.

He declared war on the leadership of saudi. I dont support them bringing over americans. But its against our religion to go against leaders who are muslims

 

[Abdalla]

PS: a known khawaarij trait is that they fight Muslims and leave kuffars alone. Salafis are known to verbally, monetary and physically attack fellow muslims while giving a safe passage to kuffar.

Alshabab leave their ranks when Amisom pulls up....

 

[East side]

PS: a known khawaarij trait is that they fight Muslims and leave kuffars alone. Salafis are known to verbally, monetary and physically attack fellow muslims while giving a safe passage to kuffar.

Alshabab leave their ranks when Amisom pulls up....

So which one is it....salafis are against going up against islamic leaders and will call you khawarij if you do like bin ladin or they are al sgabab and fight leadership? They cant be both. Why woukd they be al shabaab and against bin ladin?

 

[Abdalla]

He declared war on the leadership of saudi. I dont support them bringing over americans. But its against our religion to go against leaders who are muslims

Bin Laden was fighting alongside the Taliban. The same Taliban that declared war against the Afghan rulers. So why is it khawaarij when you fight Saudi leaders but not khawaarij when you fight non Saudi leaders?

Sheikh Muhammed bin Abdulwahhaab fought against the freaking Turkish Khalifah, was he khawaarij? He rebelled against the Amir

So which one is it....salafis are against going up against islamic leaders and will call you khawarij if you do like bin ladin or they are al sgabab and fight leadership? They cant be both. Why woukd they be al shabaab and against bin ladin?

They are only against going after Saudi and Arab leaders. But go and cause mayhem and destruction somewhere else and they will call you mujahid.

 

[Abdalla]

They are against Alshabab, who sponsors alshabab? There's one news broadcast that has direct access to high level Alshabab members, and it ain't the BBC or CNN

 

[East side]

They are against Alshabab, who sponsors alshabab? There's one news broadcast that has direct access to high level Alshabab members, and it ain't the BBC or CNN

You are mixing politics with religion. Politicians use religion for their own gain. Im talking about what salafis believe in. The word salaf again means predecessors. What part of someone who says I want to follow the quran and the sunnah like predecessors people align with al shabaab? Salafis believe its haram to go up against leader of muslim countries. What politics saudi kingdom practice has no meaning here.

 

[Abdalla]

You are mixing politics with religion. Politicians use religion for their own gain. Im talking about what salafis believe in. The word salaf again means predecessors. What part of someone who says I want to follow the quran and the sunnah like predecessors people align with al shabaab? Salafis believe its haram to go up against leader of muslim countries. What politics saudi kingdom practice has no meaning here.

And you're dismissing the role politics plays in this salafiyyah ideology. It's not politicians that make fatwa, it's their sheikhs that make fatwa

 

[East side]

And you're dismissing the role politics plays in this salafiyyah ideology. It's not politicians that make fatwa, it's their sheikhs that make fatwa

So you supported to declare war on the saudi kingdom? Is that what it all comes down to? How about saddam/ghadafi, siyad bare etc etc. How many leaders of muslim countries do you support declaring war on?

 

[Samaalic Era]

Is saying Jummah mubarak bid'ah? @East side

If you take a pic on your phone, it's haram but the Saudi King's pic is hanging of buildings in Saudi Arabia

 

[Abdalla]

So you supported to declare war on the saudi kingdom? Is that what it all comes down to? How about saddam/ghadafi, siyad bare etc etc. How many leaders of muslim countries do you support declaring war on?

Are you serious? I am saying that SALAFI Sheikhs use to refer to Bin Laden and a mujahid, but as soon as he fought the Americans, the same sheikhs, coerced or not, brought a fatwa declaring him as a khawaarij. Clearly there's politics involved.

 

[government]

If you take a pic on your phone, it's haram but the Saudi King's pic is hanging of buildings in Saudi Arabia

Sxb there is something called curuf in Islam meaning that people can do things that they did before that was in their culture as long as its not xaram salafis are wrong in believing that we can't do anything that the prophet and companions didn't do however suufis do stuff that the prophet said we are not supposed to do both have their faults but Sufism is worse

 

[GBTarmy]

If you take a pic on your phone, it's haram but the Saudi King's pic is hanging of buildings in Saudi Arabia

exactly, I stumbled across this earlier which is why I asked lol.
she has her pic as DP and uses twitter an innovation, she's also from the UK go figure

 

[East side]

Sxb there is something called curuf in Islam meaning that people can do things that they did before that was in their culture as long as its not xaram salafis are wrong in believing that we can't do anything that the prophet and companions didn't do however suufis do stuff that the prophet said we are not supposed to do both have their faults but Sufism is worse

They are too strict that I agree with. But people here defending sufis who pray to sheikhs which is kufri need to chill.

 

[Tukraq]

I know my history. Kjawarij are people who go up against islamic rulers. Going up against islamic rulers is against our religion. Khawarij killed ali and has always gone against leadership

Going up against tyrannical leaders is part of our deen no matter which banner they put up you can go up against Islamic rulers

 

[government]

They are too strict that I agree with. But people here defending sufis who pray to sheikhs which is kufri need to chill.

I know it's absurd walahi

 

[Samaalic Era]

Sxb there is something called curuf in Islam meaning that people can do things that they did before that was in their culture as long as its not xaram salafis are wrong in believing that we can't do anything that the prophet and companions didn't do however suufis do stuff that the prophet said we are not supposed to do both have their faults but Sufism is worse

Wll, both are equally bad. Sufism can but not always lead to grave worship and salafism leads to unlawful killing, where a man would be willing to kill his own parents

 

[government]

Wll, both are equally bad. Sufism can but not always lead to grave worship and salafism leads to unlawful killing, where a man would be willing to kill his own parents

Anything in extreme is bad Islam is about moderation

 

[East side]

Going up against tyrannical leaders is part of our deen no matter which banner they put up you can go up against Islamic rulers

Says who? Give me daliil for that

 

[Tukraq]

It seems reer UK has been fully indoctrinated by these salafis we went from Sufi grandparents to reasonable shafici sunni parents,
But reer UK has been taking their children to the wrong dugsis I wonder how much Saudi pays these UK mosques

 

[Abdalla]

Sxb there is something called curuf in Islam meaning that people can do things that they did before that was in their culture as long as its not xaram salafis are wrong in believing that we can't do anything that the prophet and companions didn't do however suufis do stuff that the prophet said we are not supposed to do both have their faults but Sufism is worse

Like what? I am talking about Sufis in Somalia?

I was brainwashed into believing that they worship graves and slaughter meat to Sheikh Abdulqadir Jeylani. I spent time with them in Galkayo. All we did was eat mighty feast and recite Quran

As for mawlid, you say it's Haram, I believe that they will be rewarded for it. Not because of the mawlid, but because of their love for the prophet. Abu Lahab, the worst enemy of Islam, receives every Monday a drip of water in Jahannam. Why? Because out of love and excitement for the prophet, his nephew, he freed a slave woman when the prophet was born. That's how much weight the love for the prophet has. Imagine the reward a muslim receives for loving and celebrating his birthday.

‘Urwah ibn al-Zubayr narrated a long hadeeth and mentioned Thuwayba, the first wet-nurse of the beloved Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and slavewoman of his cruel uncle, Abu Lahab. ‘Urwah adds a note at the end of his narration, saying:

“And Thuwayba was the freed slave of Abu Lahab. Abu Lahab freed her, and then she nursed the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). So when Abu Lahab died [in disbelief], he was shown to someone in his family [in a dream] in the most wretched of conditions, and [that relative – they say it was ‘Abbas] said to him: ‘What did you find [after death]?’ So Abu Lahab replied, ‘I didn’t find [any rest] since I left you all, except that I was given to drink *this little amount* because of my freeing Thuwayba.'” [al-Bukhari, Saheeh]

On the day the Prophet (peace be upon him) was born, Thuwayba rushed to her master Abu Lahab in joy and said, “Have you heard?! Aminah has just given birth to a son, for your brother Abdullah!” As was the custom of Arabs to show generosity at receiving good news, and since this was the newborn son (peace be upon him) of his recently deceased brother, Abu Lahab gestured with his thumb and forefinger, saying to Thuwayba, “Go, for you are free.” For this, his punishment in the Hereafter is lessened by a small sip of water equal to what could be held in the small curve of flesh at the base of the thumb till the forefinger [‘Abdur-Razzaq, Mussanaf].

Do not underestimate the love for the prophet. Dong be dismissive of others.