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TRIGGER WARNING The negative impacts of feminism
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Hanafi
The Hanafi view is that a woman may not add such conditions to a marriage contract. However, if such were added to a marriage contract, they are not binding while the marriage contract itself remains valid otherwise (separability of clauses). Muhammad al-Shaybani said in Al-Hujja, Vol. 3, pp. 214 that if such a condition is included in a marriage contract, it renders the contract valid, but the condition not binding.
Shafi'i
The Shafi'i school is the same as the Hanafi school. In Rawdat at-Talibīn, Vol. 7, pp. 265, An-Nawawi said if a condition in a marriage contract contradicts the norms of marriage, said condition would not be binding, let that be that the husband does not take additional wives, not to divorce her, or have right-hand possessions, or not to have her travel with him, or to divorce any of his previous wives, etc.That doesn't change much as I already knew that the Hanifi and Shafi school don't accept it. Unlike you, I completely understand that there are different opinions within different madhabs, yet here you are dismissing the views of Imam Hanbali and many other scholars.
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If the opinion of a scholar contradicts the religious evidence, in this case, the verse 4:3 of the Quran, then that opinion is tossed and thrown to the curb. That is why Imam Hanafi (ra) and Imam Shafi'i (ra) both stated, "that a woman may not add such conditions to a marriage contract. However, if such were added to a marriage contract, they are not binding while the marriage contract itself remains valid otherwise (separability of clauses)."
"And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then marry from among [other] women such as are lawful to you - [even] two, or three, or four: but if you have reason to fear that you might not be able to treat them with equal fairness, then [only] one - or [from among] those whom you rightfully posses. This will make it more likely that you will not deviate from the right course." (Surah an Nisaa - Women, 4:3).
You can dance around all you want. Polygamy is halal provided Muslim men can fulfill the conditions attached to it. For you to express having an issue with polygamy is to actually question what Allah (swt) made halal. You can keep beating the bushes, but your problem is with polygamy that is halal in Islam.
This debate isn't about whether polygamy is halal or not. We're simply talking about conditions. A man who signs a condition is simply giving up that privilege, no one is saying it is haram for him.
Answer this question:
1. So basically you believe Imam Hanbali was wrong?
2.Is ibn Taymiya wrong?
3.Were they questioning Allah's degree?
4.Do you belive that founders of madhabs had problems with polygamy?
Becauase at the end of the day I follow their opinion.
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Nah, he simply thinks he knows better than scholars. He is literally saying I have issues with polygamy for following the Hanbali opinion that women can put in a polygamy clause.
So now, he is accusing Imam Hanbali of being wrong like he knows more than them. He doesn't understand that fiqh isn't black and white and that Muslims are free to have that opinion.
@Angelina dishing out karbash kkk.
It has gone beyond providing evidence. You like debating anyway and know that you got a chokehold on him, he ain't throwing in the towel even though the evidence is against him.
It is now a matter of pride, Nicca don't wanna lose!
Since he is a strict follower of the Shafi Madhab and he is now claiming Hanbalis are wrong, does he know that in both the Shafi and Hanafi madhab women aren't obligated to cook and clean for their husbands?It has gone beyond providing evidence. You like debating anyway and know that you got a chokehold on him, he ain't throwing in the towel even though the evidence is against him.
It is now a matter of pride, Nicca don't wanna lose!
@Roorigeg
Did you know that In the Shafi school of thought, your wife doesn't have to cook and clean and some go as far as saying you have to provide her with cooked food?
Look at him reject the Shafi madhab now loool.
When you get deep into Fiqh, it becomes a minefield for those with fixed beliefs about how the Deen is. Then again, it is not advised to pick n mix so whichever Madhab you subscribe to, accept your lot.
Ka Qaleey, stop revelling in your victory you quarrelsome Xalimo!
Nah, one of the most fascinating aspects of Islam is that fiqh isn't black and white. I can accept that such a contract isn't allowed amongts Hanafis even if I do believe there are actually hadiths that prove the point of the scholars I follow.
He could have easily have said, hey i follow the Shafi/Hanafi madhab so I don't agree so each to their own. But he came gun blazing accusing me of feminism over a well known classical opinion i've been taught in dugsi!
TekNiKo
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Your wrong Somalis are traditionally Shaafici and now only recently did Hanbali opinions become popularized amongst UK Salafis like you.
Hambali opinion also says that men and women dont break each other”s wudu. Thats why people back home were shocked that diaspora Salafi couples would touch each other and pray afterwards. Its not our way.
Not 'our' way? People are free to follow which ever madhab they want. Even within a Madhab there are different opinions mate.
I know but there is a hadith in which the Prophet s.a.w was praying and then mid-way he moved Aisha's leg. Somalis believe that husband's and wives break each other's wudu whilst other Madhabs don't. I don't agree, but each to their own. I'm not going to berate someone who grew up in Shafi fiqh.
Also, lets be real, Somalis pick and choose tbh. Shafi thought only having one wife is better by the way, despite not believing polygamy clause contracts, yet polygamy is rife amongst us. Also, in our culture we believe cooking and cleaning is a must and a woman not doing much is seen as ceeb.
Can't you let go? Nah, it ain't in the nature of the beast, is it? Until Uu Matago? Bila naxaris.
TekNiKo
Loyal To The One True Caliph (Hafidahullah)
I know and thats fine but Salafis dont even follow any Madhab they only using Hanbali cause thats KSA dominant Madhab. They dont believe in Madhab but prefer to go to “Quran and Sunnah” directly. This is arrogance in its highest form.
Nah, it is an admiration for intelligent debate.
You can follow any Madhab but none is more righteous than the other. That is the point you missed in this argument.
She argues on that point, Roori doesn't.
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