lol that's some BS, i won't even comment on that tbh.
The One Who Believes In Secularism Is A Kafir - Shaykh Salih Al-Fawzan
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None of it is outdated sxb and secularism is shit.
Ok one question, are shiites Muslim?
Then no need for fatwa right? And why not let people decide if they want Sharia law or not? Imposing Sharia on them is oppression right?
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Secularism results in population decline and a civilization's eventual extinction. Atheist/Secularist societies do not and cannot survive.
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It’s not BS. It’s facts. Let me answer your doubts in one go
The word sharia is an arabic word from the material "sha-ra-ã (ش) (ر) (ع)" which Arabs use to originate a word referring to "the law".
Nowadays, Muslims use the word "Sharia" referring particularly to the "islamic law". For referring to the manmade law, Muslims use the Literal meaning of the word "law" which is "Qanon قانون"
So, the term "Sharia law" is a meaning. Means: A decision of Allah, he almighty wants Muslims to implement in particular issues.
Torah, and Qoran, are all about such decisions.
- Torah has "sharia"
- Gospel refers to the sharia of Torah
- Qoran has the last version of sharia came from Allah after the one Allah explained in the Torah.
Verses 5:47-50
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.(47) And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.(48) And judge, [O Muhammad], between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations and beware of them, lest they tempt you away from some of what Allah has revealed to you. And if they turn away - then know that Allah only intends to afflict them with some of their [own] sins. And indeed, many among the people are defiantly disobedient. (49) Then is it the judgement of [the time of] ignorance they desire? But who is better than Allah in judgement for a people who are certain [in faith] (50)
Shaira is a “Practical Application” of the conduct of life prescribed to us in Quran and ordained by our Prophet Muhammad and his close companions. There are laws in Islamic Sharia that are derived directly from the Quran. If you say Sharia is shit and we should abandon it, then you’re saying we should abandon the law of Allah swt directly from the quran. It’s not man made. If it were then I would understand your view, but it’s incorrect.
As for shirk, you don’t understand how serious it is. Shirk is even something as small as showing off.
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The thing that I fear most for you is minor shirk.” They said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what is minor shirk?” He said: “Showing off, for Allaah will say on the Day when people are recompensed for their actions: ‘Go to those for whom you were showing off with your deeds in the world, and see what reward you find with them.’” Classed as saheeh
Now if denying the sharia (which is literally from the quran itself) then it wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to know that it’s blatant shirk.
Now look at countries like America and their crime rates versus a country which correctly implements sharia. Look at the rape cases and look at the rape accuser cases. You call ISIS sharia followers? Really? Please.
In shar‘i terminology, sharee‘ah refers to the entire religion (Islam), which Allah has chosen for His slaves to bring them forth thereby from the depths of darkness into the light. It is what He has prescribed for them and what He has explained to them of commands and prohibitions, halaal and haraam.
Whoever follows the sharee‘ah of Allah, regarding as permissible (halaal) that which He has permitted and regarding as forbidden (haraam) that which He has prohibited, will triumph.
Whoever goes against the sharee‘ah (laws) of Allah has exposed himself to divine vengeance, wrath and punishment.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Then We put you, [O Muhammad], on an ordained way [sharee‘ah] concerning the matter [of religion]; so follow it and do not follow the inclinations of those who do not know”
Good night, I suggest you study your religion (or Islam, on the case that you are not a muslim)
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Ad Hominen and this isn't apart of the debate sxb
we're talking about Secularism
Thought we were discussing if secularism makes one kaffir, not if secularism results in low fertility rates but ok. Does high fertility rate makes people Muslim now?View attachment 170030View attachment 170031View attachment 170032
Secularism results in population decline and a civilization's eventual extinction. Atheist/Secularist societies do not and cannot survive.
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ussr collapsed and chechens are very religious. russian vassal states in central asia still cant erase islam from their countries.
france and britain became rich from exploiting colonies plundering and genocide.
Ok so secular countries like Turkey and Syria are kuffar cuz they abandoned Sharia?
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theres a difference between abandoning sharia and saying secularism is better.
Do tell.
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I thought we were discussing about why Secularism is bad and kafir not why you state that the Qu'ran and Hadiths are outdated.
Also stop committing the Straw Man fallacy by stating that only people who are Muslims have high fertility rates when it clearly dictates religious societies.
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lol you're being disingenuous now.I thought we were discussing about why Secularism is bad not why you state that the Qu'ran and Hadiths are outdated.
Also stop committing the Straw Man fallacy by stating that only people who are Muslims have high fertility rates when it clearly dictates religious societies.
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why would a land that is majority Muslim refuse to follow the laws set to you by Allah.
It's called refusal and the rejection of the will of Allah.
I thought it's better if we let people decide how they want to government themselves or does that apply only when a secular government bans Hijab not when a theocratic government makes Hijab mandatory?why would a land that is majority Muslim refuse to follow the laws set to you by Allah.
It's called refusal and the rejection of the will of Allah.
Don't understand why you think it's debatable when the religion clearly says it's forbidden.
Don't understand why atheist's have to ask questions that in no way can be traced back to what the Muslim who's debating them said.
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Why did you avoid the whole topic and you keep changing the convo?
