The oromo question.

[Khaem]

Right on the spot. The ethiopian army historically speaking never been very functional and you don't need to look far back in time, just look at the tigre conflict a region that's not even 10% of the overall population was able to overwhelm the numerically larger and better equipped ethiopian army. The ethiopian state military apparatus was completely useless up until the intervention of neighbouring eritria and the purchase of turkish military drones.

Currently the ethiopian army is fully mobilised to take care of the fano insurgent but still they're unable to suppress them despite the air superiority and the use of the turkish drones. The "mighty" ethiopian army was also unable to keep eritria and eventually recognized their independent. In 1977 war somalis completely dominated the ground and would've also dominated the air if they were allowed to purchase advanced air defence systems but not only were the soviets unwilling to sell us these weapons but they also changed sides providing the ethiopian army with advanced weapons. Furthermore despite the numerical advantage the ethiopian army had during the war most of these reroutes weren't very useful making them a paper army which is why they also had an additional cuban support.

In 1964 haile selassie never agreed on the southern border line between somalia and ethiopia that still isn't demarcated till this day. He tried his luck and used his western trained and western armed army to encroach on the somali territory but a smaller yet braver somali army made sure to protect the front line and ethiopia would eventually sign a peace treaty despite there not being an international pressure to do so. There is a clear pattern in here, wither they're numerically larger or better equipped the ethiopian army unless there is a foreign support they're unable to do anything which is very reminiscent of the battle of shimbir kure where the small army of the imam was able to defeat the much larger solomonic army.

The reason for the non functional nature of the ethiopian army is that ethiopia as it's stands is a amharic/habasha project initially conquered by the solomonic dynasty led by menelik. Most of the inhabitant weren't allowed to participate in the government and were considered for a long time subjects to the amharic ruling power. Most of the population if not oppressed were considered cannon fodder or foot soldiers for the amharic state. Things are slowly changing now and ethiopianism is slowly being spread throughout the country. I've seen a number of people online speaking proudly of ethiopia despite them never really being part of "ethiopia's" history and were considered oppressed and discriminated against by the ethiopian government who've always seen them as cannon fodder. It almost feels like they're experiencing stockholm syndrome.

If you were to look at this from a poetical lens somalia and djibouti are the only muslim countries in east africa and despite muslims living in eretria, ethiopia, kenya, tanzania, uganda and south sudan non of these countries call themselves muslim states. In kenya somalis are the largest muslim ethnic group and in ethiopia they're the second largest muslim ethnic group meaning in east africa at large somalis are the largest muslim ethnic group and have a long history of islam stretching for more than a millennia. The somali coast was the gate ways of islam towards the interior of east africa and somalis as far back as the period of adal that was ruled by the walashma descendants from aw barkhadle were considered suzerans and leaders of the muslim communities in eastern africa. Somalia represents the islamic defiance to the habashi hegemony in east africa and somalis are the continuation of muslim resistance. Somalis are these who succeed adal and still carrying the banners of islam up high as the muslim country of somalia and djibouti.

Somalis are the protectors of Islam in east Africa. Now Somalis are weak and divided look what has happened to the Muslims, mosques being torn down like nothing. Give it a century and Harar wont even be Muslim at all anymore.

 

[Overlordainz2000]

The oromo were in what is known as Ethiopia before our so called expansion in the 16th century though. Refer to this,


If you're genuinely curious and not just trolling, read then.

This Mohammed Hassan is strecthing it. He is the most academically dishonest and most biased person.

How else would he cope with his people having no history pre 1600 and the only history they have is expansion and then taken as slaves.


He mentions that there is a reference to the Galla from the 13th century.

The term Galla isnt a word Oromos refer to themselves, so how does he know that these people refer to Oromos?


Somalis before the 14th century were referred by outsiders as Berbers. Maghrebis and Amazighs are called Berbers too, but scholars like Ibn Khaldun makes a difference and says that the Berbers of the East are different from the Maghrebi berbers

I was debating with this Oromo account and she gave me sources that not every Galla is an Oromo. She shared this. Mohammed Hassan claims because Ethiopian Chronicles mentions the word Galla, it must have referred to Oromos. Now other apologetic arguments claim that most Gallas aren't even Oromos but Sidama.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

This Mohammed Hassan is strecthing it. He is the most academically dishonest and most biased person.

How else would he cope with his people having no history pre 1600 and the only history they have is expansion and then taken as slaves.


He mentions that there is a reference to the Galla from the 13th century.

The term Galla isnt a word Oromos refer to themselves, so how does he know that these people refer to Oromos?


Somalis before the 14th century were referred by outsiders as Berbers. Maghrebis and Amazighs are called Berbers too, but scholars like Ibn Khaldun makes a difference and says that the Berbers of the East are different from the Maghrebi berbers

I was debating with this Oromo account and she gave me sources that not every Galla is an Oromo. She shared this. Mohammed Hassan claims because Ethiopian Chronicles mentions the word Galla, it must have referred to Oromos. Now other apologetic arguments claim that most Gallas aren't even Oromos but Sidama.
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The Oromo and the Christian Kingdom of Ethiopia

First full-length history of the Oromo 1300-1700; explains their key part in the medieval Christian kingdom and demonstrates their importance in shaping Ethiopian history.

books.google.com

Read for yourself, the term galla has a variety of theories, in regards to its origin; but none doubt that at some point, it did refer to oromos and others considered to be ''heathens.''
Hence why they constantly say ''those who call themselves orma or oromo'', and then proceed to call us/them galla. By the way, one of the theories is, they took the term 'galan' which is an Oromo group/clan, that had a lot of contact and conflict with Amhara's in the region of Shawa.
You'll find this theory in the link above.



Foreigners knew this too, hence....


''The Gallas, with the usual pride of wild and independent nations, call themselves exclusively 'Orma' i.e. men, 'the people,'; and an individual among them is Ilm Orma, ''a son or one of the people,'' corresponding literally with the Arabic word 'Ibn al Nas'', ''well born,'' ''free''---as opposed to the Abd or slave.

Transactions of the Philological Society

books.google.com

Who else in the Horn called themselves 'Ilma Orma'? Gurages? No. Sidama? No. Konso? No. Somalis? No. So...?




In regards to us ''not having history'' prior to our expansion, I'll sum it up with the words an European writer: ''men learned too late, the art of writing,'' that particularly applies to nations like us who spread history/news/etc orally and didn't keep books/writings.
I rather focus on today, for the most part, and somalis should too, because the past glory of the ogaden war, and etc, won't help today; you guys need to secure your country today and focus on today, because like us in ethiopia, you guys have plenty of problems to work on.

 

[Zarathustra]

Exactly these people are a civilisational black whole all their biggest achievements are conquering something never producing a civilisation.

There is Yejju dynasty and the Gibe kingdoms.

 

[Zarathustra]

I understand the concept of guerrilla warfare and even the dervish used against the colonial powers.

However the means didn’t justify the end.

If only you guys created some sort of civilisation that surpassed Adal and Abbysinya I would be less salty but you guys just took over and nothing worth nothing until the modern period.

Why couldn’t you niggas go south.

Yeah you're being very salty. Kinda a skill issue.