The Pakistani grooming scandal is not our business or issue

[Hilmaam]

Couldnt agree more. Somalis need to fall back. Help behind scenes donate money, do duah for justice. But dont hop on social media and make everything about yourself and somalis. Feel this about palestine issues, grooming issue, and world isues in general. Somalis have way to much heat on us. We need to become lowkey like sudanese ethiopians and Djiboutians. They mostly muslim black and immigrants yet dont get bashed 24/7.

 

[Inquisitive_]

So everyone is a fool but you inquisitive your the only one choosing to defend a bunch of child groomers not me.

You are really thick and it's a slander to insinuate I support those groomers.

If it was just a paki bashing affair I wouldn't have cared, no one else would, but the far right is not pushing the paki degenerate culture link angle that you are, for them, they did these heinous crimes because of Islam and their Prophet.

They essentially link it back to Somalis and the rest of the 2 billion muslims by definition

You are as much as a groomer as those degenerates to them, that's why you see a collective backlash from Muslims of all races.

Elon musk is bashing and blaming Muslims for this not Pakistani's, then you come along and advocate for quietism like the madkhalis.

I am fighting not to be tainted by what those groomers did and defend the religion, but you are happy for these degenerates to be linked to you and your religion.

If I didn't know this was a somali forum, I would have thought it was a white supremacist site, if you want to be quiet and sit on the line that's fine, but keep your mouth shut on those that refuse to do so.

 

[Araabi]

You are really thick and it's a slander to insinuate I support those groomers.

If it was just a paki bashing affair I wouldn't have cared, no one else would, but the far right is not pushing the paki degenerate culture link angle that you are, for them, they did these heinous crimes because of Islam and their Prophet.

They essentially link it back to Somalis and the rest of the 2 billion muslims by definition

You are as much as a groomer as those degenerates to them, that's why you see a collective backlash from Muslims of all races.

Elon musk is bashing and blaming Muslims for this not Pakistani's, then you come along and advocate for quietism like the madkhalis.

I am fighting not to be tainted by what those groomers did and defend the religion, but you are happy for these degenerates to be linked to you and your religion.

If I didn't know this was a somali forum, I would have thought it was a white supremacist site, if you want to be quiet and sit on the line that's fine, but keep your mouth shut and those who refuse to.

You are clearly lying. Every mainstream news report has been very clear as identifying the problem primarily as a Pakistani Muslim problem. Go and see what is trending. Even the non Muslim Pajeets are embarrassed.

But I know your type well. The problem with your ilk is that the entirety of your world view is defined by a fake political utopian non-existent Ummah. In your worldview there can be no other explanation for any world or local event outside of a very narrow and pathetic belief that you share more in common with a Paki groomer just because he is Muslim to the point that you will defend their actions because the victims are non Muslim.

I can see right through you

 

[Inquisitive_]

@Inquisitive_ is really no different from the @idc , they both posses belligerent racial hate and stereotyped negative bias towards their own community . Anyone describing their own kinsmen in deragatory ways such as ''lanky malnourished forehead protruding blick '' and using pseudo science phrenology like ''like yourself that has Islam written all over his physiognomy'', and you use that wish for the unthinkable to happened to them '' you'll be the first to be lynched, you unprincipled imbecile'' . It's not be reasoned with and listen to.

Imagine thinking you are Muslim focused while describe Allah's creations that way and placing habar on people. Qof fiyow ma tihid. Don't hide behind Muslim solidarity because people like you have none and are more driven by racial politics.

I have also started notice just like other users on this site ya'll love to drive forced comparisons with us and Indians, when we have nothing in common with them but because they see the hate wave against them on social media they want to incorporate Somalis into it, like some opportunists.
I feel the same way about sikhs/hindus as i do with virtually most non-Muslim communities ''waxba kama ima geelin'' how their culture is like and what religion they choose to practice and how India is as a country. If you find them problematic to deal with step away from them simple as that, don't join the hate mob you don't gain anything from it.

As for Pakistanis i am not sure if its a cultural thing or not about the rape gangs, it might be true because these are older men committing it and the deafening silence from that community when these things take place or are revealed. If true it shows something far more problematic beyond islamophobia from the far right, and it's probably a good thing that awareness is created so they can actively combat it and the Pakistani community are forced to go under introspection.

Anyone concerned over the blowback from the anti-immigrant crowd, nothing major will happen to Somalis that isn't already happening as most arrived in the UK are naturalized citizens and come through legal means and are law abiding.

Even in the doomsday scenario chance they deport people illegally and evict them solely based on ethnic origin or religion. Somalis back home are able to care of themselves.

There is more than double the money circulating inside the country every month ( 2billion digital money transactions) more than the 1 billion remittances Somalis send every year. Somalis are self-reliant for the most part and have deep support systems in place and we are mobile enough to find other revenue streams when needed. Also direct foreign investments are increasing in the country and has opened up, so there will be less need for investment from the diaspora.

Somalia will also stand to gain more from Somalis coming back home, i have covered it in different threads how diaspora return to improve educational institutions, health care and create businesses. It's had a surprising transformation.

So @MalcolmFitzhugh08 and others are perhaps correct in a way , that Somalis should to focus on themselves more and avoid entangling themselves when it comes to cultural specific things that pertain to select nationalities. We really don't have the insight or leverage to speak on matters that are outside of us.

Somalis arrived to the UK fleeing war, so there is different set of goals we operate with and different set of expectations put on us than the pakistani community or indians who are basically brain drain economic migrants from abroad, they rob their own home country of human capital resources to benefit white corporations in a society that dislikes them in return. Not really something to envy.

I admire your optimism I really do and I am not being sarcastic at all and I have read your posts.

But the differences between us outside of the gap of experience is that I am realist whereas you are an blind optimist.

Unlike yourself I have spent significant time in Somalia and the bulk of my wealth is invested there, unlike you I also married there, I have much more skin in the game then you in somalia.

I was looking forward to you engaging my post in your own topic when I crunched the numbers, but you refused, because you know the numbers don't lie and your position that Somalia is a utopia is indefensible.

Remittance according to an old UN report is closer to 2 billion (1.6b exact) and that's only North America and Europe alone and they quote dahabshiil a decade ago, that's easily 2 billion today.

Somali diaspora’s remittances cast a lifeline

During two decades of conflict, famines and floods, Somali expatriates’ transmission of money back home — known as “remittances” — has been instrumental in keeping Somalia afloat. The UN Development Programme estimates that $1.6 billion in remittances are sent back annually by Somali emigrants...

www.un.org

It excludes remittances from Africa, Asia and the middle East, and we can estimate those figures to be at least comparable if not higher.

At the lowest end it's 3 billion remittance if we include Asia, Africa and Middle East, that's 30-40% real GDP Somalia and if you exclude foreign aid it's even higher, it's a critical lifeline and without that it's game over.

Your presumption that more money circulates then remittances that are sent is false and not backed by any data, we have no significant industries or factories, I discussed why in your own topic due to sky high energy costs, the money has no chance to circulate.

We have trade deficits with every country, the only significant export we have is livestock at ridiculous cheap discounts.

Yes the diaspora moving back in very small numbers has had a positive impact, but a mass migration event will be the death of Somalia.

No amount of ingenuity will save you, we have no infrastructure, the highest energy cost in the world, we import 90% of our food, at the bottom in corruption index, most unstable country in the world, and the worst of all, the military and police composed of the worst of society, they will be the first to kill you when a little hardship happens.

These issues take decades to fix, and we don't have that time, if we loose this decade, it's game over, we won't exist as a nation state 2050, why? Demographics!!!

The boomer generation, the biggest remittance contributers in the diaspora are already dying, their children (millennials) majority won't foot those bills, the same for the older Gen X hitting retirement their Gen Z offspring are even worse then the millennials, they won't send anything back.

That's 30-40% GDP disappearing in two decades, much of our youth look down on labour work while the others are planning tahriib, so even demographics Somalia doesn't look good.

The only wildcard that can save us is hydrocarbons, regardless of corruption, it will significantly reduce energy cost for everyone, which means manufacturing and setting up factories within the country becomes profitable and the investors will flood in, which will lead to industrialization.

Outside of this, we are toast as a nation, our neighbours Ethiopia energy cost kWh is $0.01 we pay over $1 per kWh they have over 4000 registered factories we have only 9 in the entire country. (All solar powered)

 

[Idilinaa]

I admire your optimism I really do and I am not being sarcastic at all and I have read your posts.

But the differences between us outside of the gap of experience is that I am realist whereas you are an blind optimist.

Unlike yourself I have spent significant time in Somalia and the bulk of my wealth is invested there, unlike you I also married there, I have much more skin in the game then you in somalia.

You are more of a cynic than a realist. A realist looks at things from pragmatic macro-picture with an emphasis to real details and prospective gains. They don't espouse irrational racial garbage or vomit nonsense caricatures.

You went to Somalia and came back knowing less about it and harboring resentment for his own people. Good job, that was a trip and investment well spent aay.

I was looking forward to you engaging my post in your own topic when I crunched the numbers, but you refused, because you know the numbers don't lie and your position that Somalia is a utopia is indefensible.

Remittance according to an old UN report is closer to 2 billion (1.6b exact) and that's only North America and Europe alone and they quote dahabshiil a decade ago, that's easily 2 billion today.

Somali diaspora’s remittances cast a lifeline

During two decades of conflict, famines and floods, Somali expatriates’ transmission of money back home — known as “remittances” — has been instrumental in keeping Somalia afloat. The UN Development Programme estimates that $1.6 billion in remittances are sent back annually by Somali emigrants...

www.un.org

It excludes remittances from Africa, Asia and the middle East, and we can estimate those figures to be at least comparable if not higher.

At the lowest end it's 3 billion remittance if we include Asia, Africa and Middle East, that's 30-40% real GDP Somalia and if you exclude foreign aid it's even higher, it's a critical lifeline and without that it's game over.

Your presumption that more money circulates then remittances that are sent is false and not backed by any data, we have no significant industries or factories, I discussed why in your own topic due to sky high energy costs, the money has no chance to circulate.

We have trade deficits with every country, the only significant export we have is livestock at ridiculous cheap discounts.

Yes the diaspora moving back in very small numbers has had a positive impact, but a mass migration event will be the death of Somalia.

No amount of ingenuity will save you, we have no infrastructure, the highest energy cost in the world, we import 90% of our food, at the bottom in corruption index, most unstable country in the world, and the worst of all, the military and police composed of the worst of society, they will be the first to kill you when a little hardship happens.

These issues take decades to fix, and we don't have that time, if we loose this decade, it's game over, we won't exist as a nation state 2050, why? Demographics!!!

The boomer generation, the biggest remittance contributers in the diaspora are already dying, their children (millennials) majority won't foot those bills, the same for the older Gen X hitting retirement their Gen Z offspring are even worse then the millennials, they won't send anything back.

Unless Somalia is a utopia it's the worst place on earth and its people are doomed? This is the person describing himself as a realist, yaab.

What i said was it's mostly self reliant, Here is another UN report from 2020 and not a decade ago.
https://downloads.unido.org/ot/21/18/21185699/1_UNIDO_MoCI%20Report%20Financial%20Sector_final.pdf

About 36 percent of GDP flows through mobile money systems. The value of mobile money transactions in Somalia is estimated at $2.7 billion a month.

The same report puts the remitances at 1.3 Billion. So it hasn't increased much but the growth of wealth within the country has increased the past decade. You know why? Because Somalia is stabilizing and the diaspora investments went into businesses and services that generate money. Do you honestly believe 2.7 billion Somalis spend every month inside the country on purchases come from remittances that only add up to 1.3 billion a year?

36 billion USD make up the money transactions in a year and that makes up 36% of GDP, then 1.3 billion would make only 1.3% of the GDP.

Somalis actually own business in more than one country, so the people who invest in Somali enclaves in Kenya, South Africa and Dubai also invest in Businesses in Somalia/Somaliland and Ogaden

Remittances form a source of revenue in almost every country, but it's not Somalia' sole source of revenue or make up , it has diverse economic activity, trade and production inside the country that it uses to generates wealth.

Also not to mention a big majority of the diaspora remitance actually come from UAE and Africa.

That's 30-40% GDP disappearing in two decades, much of our youth look down on labour work while the others are planning tahriib, so even demographics Somalia doesn't look good.

The only wildcard that can save us is hydrocarbons, regardless of corruption, it will significantly reduce energy cost for everyone, which means manufacturing and setting up factories within the country becomes profitable and the investors will flood in, which will lead to industrialization.

Outside of this, we are toast as a nation, our neighbours Ethiopia energy cost kWh is $0.01 we pay over $1 per kWh they have over 4000 registered factories we have only 9 in the entire country. (All solar powered)

Many don't actually look down on labour work , its companies that used to outsource it for capitalist reasons which ends up discriminating against locals but most of the labourers in Somalia are locals. Luckily they have rolled out laws against this and they have been rolling out vocational and technical schools.

Tahribing has mostly gone down as they have rolled out work job placement programs for youth graduates in Somaliland and they have educated people about the risks and dangers, it used to be more prevelant back in 2016-2018 though, there is a reason you don't hear about it much anymore.

Somalia pays $0.5 – 1 per kWh, it can be a high or extremely low depending where you live in the country and the source energy supply.

People in Somalia have already started to implement renewable energy measures and this is without direct heavy investment from the government that major projects require



You can expect this to grow and expand once the government roles out it's investment plan to boost the energy sector targeted to reach 2030.

Energy - Somalia Investment Promotion Office

Energy Sector Relies on fuel wood and charcoal, and imported petroleum to meet its energy needs. Overview Zones Oppurtunities Major Investors Documents Gallery Energy Sector Somalia’s economy is growing and needs affordable energy to continue developing. The National energy deficit in the...

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There are already energy companies throughout the country that is investing in renewable energy and installing wind turbines and solar panels, solar stations.

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Energy in Somalia is becoming cheaper with a hybrid use of solar, wind, hydro, bio-energy and geothermal energy added to the mix. The high price in areas comes from expensive diesal generators. Expanding and modernizing the national grid (where applicable) or investing in off-grid solutions will make energy more accessible and affordable. Power generation from renewable sources reduce dependence on expensive imported fuel. Even less so with Somalia's oil and gas resources backup or off-grid solutions for electricity.


Somalia has like 50 factories that produce what people need in the country, with many more under way as investments have increased lately and Ethiopia either has a few state owned factories with low productivity or a dozen where they are outsourcing hubs by foreign companies for cheap manufacturing or labor were they either don't got payed or get payed dirt poor and half whom are mostly to make/produce garments.

 

[johnsepei5]

Without a doubt

Is it for being Somali or for the color of the skin

 

[Araabi]

Is it for being Somali or for the color of the skin

Both

 

[Angelina]

You are more of a cynic than a realist. A realist looks at things from pragmatic macro-picture with an emphasis to real details and prospective gains. They don't espouse irrational racial garbage or vomit nonsense caricatures.

You went to Somalia and came back knowing less about it and harboring resentment for his own people. Good job, that was a trip and investment well spent aay.



Unless Somalia is a utopia it's the worst place on earth and its people are doomed? This is the person describing himself as a realist, yaab.

What i said was it's mostly self reliant, Here is another UN report from 2020 and not a decade ago.
https://downloads.unido.org/ot/21/18/21185699/1_UNIDO_MoCI%20Report%20Financial%20Sector_final.pdf


The same report puts the remitances at 1.3 Billion. So it hasn't increased much but the growth of wealth within the country has increased the past decade. You know why? Because Somalia is stabilizing and the diaspora investments went into businesses and services that generate money. Do you honestly believe 2.7 billion Somalis spend every month inside the country on purchases come from remittances that only add up to 1.3 billion a year?

36 billion USD make up the money transactions in a year and that makes up 36% of GDP, then 1.3 billion would make only 1.3% of the GDP.




Remittances form a source of revenue in almost every country, but it's not Somalia' sole source of revenue or make up , it has diverse economic activity, trade and production inside the country that it uses to generates wealth.

Also not to mention a big majority of the diaspora remitance actually come from UAE and Africa.



Many don't actually look down on labour work , its companies that used to outsource it for capitalist reasons which ends up discriminating against locals but most of the labourers in Somalia are locals. Luckily they have rolled out laws against this and they have been rolling out vocational and technical schools.

Tahribing has mostly gone down as they have rolled out work job placement programs for youth graduates in Somaliland and they have educated people about the risks and dangers, it used to be more prevelant back in 2016-2018 though, there is a reason you don't hear about it much anymore.

Somalia pays $0.5 – 1 per kWh, it can be a high or extremely low depending where you live in the country and the source energy supply.




Energy in Somalia is becoming cheaper with a hybrid use of solar, wind, hydro, bio-energy and geothermal energy added to the mix. The high price in areas comes from expensive diesal generators. Expanding and modernizing the national grid (where applicable) or investing in off-grid solutions will make energy more accessible and affordable. Power generation from renewable sources reduce dependence on expensive imported fuel. Even less so with Somalia's oil and gas resources backup or off-grid solutions for electricity.


Somalia has like 50 factories that produce what people need in the country, with many more under way as investments have increased lately and Ethiopia either has a few state owned factories with low productivity or a dozen where they are outsourcing hubs by foreign companies for cheap manufacturing or labor were they either don't got payed or get payed dirt poor and half whom are mostly to make/produce garments.

Remittance is the economic backbone. Your own source sites something along the lines of 25 to a whopping 45% which is nearly half.

As for factory and industry, they are now trying to make strides. Whilst I was there I saw many products made in Somalia from Ice-cream to tissue and the list continues but it’s still in its infancy.

The truth is in the middle, I find you too optimistic and it simply doesn’t align with what many of us see when we go back home. Even your point about Somalis not looking down on physical labour defies reality. Unfortunately, a huge bulk of those that do such labors are from minority clans and it is a historical fact that Somalis did look down on carpenters ect which is why groups like Madhibaan were othered and till this day if you go to building sites in places like Xamar you will mostly see Madowweyne. Locals will also tell you this. I know Hargeisa is different and that you’re seeing a lot more people of major tribes trying to normalize labor but we still have a long way to go.