The Pakistani grooming scandal is not our business or issue

[wonyluvr]

How did this thread turn into talk about what Somali Bantus call themselves?????????

 

[Idilinaa]

How did this thread turn into talk about what Somali Bantus call themselves?????????

Angelina cut in when i was debating inquisitive_ about Somalia's future and she ended up dragging it. So i just left in the end because it felt like we were arguing around semantics.


I was only trying to prove my original post, which is this one:

As for Pakistanis i am not sure if its a cultural thing or not about the rape gangs, it might be true because these are older men committing it and the deafening silence from that community when these things take place or are revealed. If true it shows something far more problematic beyond islamophobia from the far right, and it's probably a good thing that awareness is created so they can actively combat it and the Pakistani community are forced to go under introspection.

Anyone concerned over the blowback from the anti-immigrant crowd, nothing major will happen to Somalis that isn't already happening as most arrived in the UK are naturalized citizens and come through legal means and are law abiding.

Even in the doomsday scenario chance they deport people illegally and evict them solely based on ethnic origin or religion. Somalis back home are able to care of themselves.

There is more than double the money circulating inside the country every month ( 2billion digital money transactions) more than the 1 billion remittances Somalis send every year. Somalis are self-reliant for the most part and have deep support systems in place and we are mobile enough to find other revenue streams when needed. Also direct foreign investments are increasing in the country and has opened up, so there will be less need for investment from the diaspora.

Somalia will also stand to gain more from Somalis coming back home, i have covered it in different threads how diaspora return to improve educational institutions, health care and create businesses. It's had a surprising transformation.

So @MalcolmFitzhugh08 and others are perhaps correct in a way , that Somalis should to focus on themselves more and avoid entangling themselves when it comes to cultural specific things that pertain to select nationalities. We really don't have the insight or leverage to speak on matters that are outside of us.

Somalis arrived to the UK fleeing war, so there is different set of goals we operate with and different set of expectations put on us than the pakistani community or indians who are basically brain drain economic migrants from abroad, they rob their own home country of human capital resources to benefit white corporations in a society that dislikes them in return. Not really something to envy.

Here i show that the role of remittances declined since 2012 due to the increase in production of the domestic economy , as a result of diaspora returning and increase of investments.

You and @Inquisitive_ need to put on your glasses and read what the source says ''remittances account for between 25% and 45% til 2015'' and the importance of remittances declined since 2012.

It goes on to say ''However experts acknowledged that the role of MTO in the economy has been declining since 2012 due to the return of many Somali Diasporas , and increase in the production of the domestic economy as result of new investments from both foreign investors and Somalis.''
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The banking sector it mentions is important because they are the increasingly large investor pool that finance business and housing developments in Somalia among other things. So it's Somalis back home that self-finance and self generating much of the economic activity back in Somalia.

The whole remittances are life-line mantra is a decade old news.

It's regular Somalis of all stripes doing majority of the labour work in Somalia and the construction, not only minority clans and madowweyne (whatever that is) and when i was talking about outsourcing is that they would bring indians/chinese and i wasn't referring to Mogadishu, as the reports i have read from Puntland might apply to it as well.

Here i was trying to back the fact that there are construction labor jobs for all people and it's not only a minority that does it. This is where it started because i said ''madowweyne'' was a racist code word, which i think she ended up fixating on it.

I didn't realize it was the somalispot censors changing the J-word into madow when you post it.

Been all over Somalia , Kenya, Ethiopia etc. I have seen videos and photos of various construction sites , detailed studies and reports as well. You forget i am the user on this site who has a keen interest in housing and urban planning in Somali communities.

They are not mostly madow weyne which i assume is some weird racist code word Somali bantus.

Somali construction workers in Mogadishu
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Strengthening vocational education and training in Somalia

The project focuses on improving the public vocational education and training system in terms of its governance, quality and access.

www.giz.de

Somali construction workers in Garowe/Puntland
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You can literally see this for yourself, and visit various construction company websites where they show videos and galleries of their laborers and team in action.

Gallery - Albashid Constructions

albashid.com

Buruuj Construction and Real Estate – Buruuj Construction and Real Estate

Buruuj Construction and Real Estate

buruuj.so

It's just local Somalis of all stripes doing the work for the most part and the ones who actually opt for unskilled labour low wage work the most is actually Somalis of poorer less well off backgrounds that are desperate for employment opportunities to support themselves with, while the construction managers, technician builders and civil engineers managing those sites come from more educated skilled backgrounds and in many cases graduates of universities or vocational schools.





You even misrepresent your own source , its united nations study btw and its an aggregate number 1.6 billion that includes Somalis from the gulf region and other places not just Europe and America.. Dahabshil only manage 2/3rds of this btw.


But yeah the the same UN report in 2020 puts remittances at 1.4 billion
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Remittances only account for 6% of mobile money transactions. So 94% is non-remittance based.
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The mobile money transactions is around 2.7 billion a month.
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Mobile money transactions put together becomes 32 billion a year. So yeah you do the math. 1.4 billion is drop in the bucket. 32 billion is only 36% of the GDP might i add.

Somalia has a plethora options when it comes to renewable energy and its opting for a hybrid model.
So it's not just solar and wind alone which would bringing down the cost significantly and is stated to be used to power businesses, heck geothermal energy alone can supply all of Somalia's energy needs plus industrial capacity and then leave a lot for export.

I have covered this in a different thread that Somalis true GDP is significantly higher than the stated estimate , you can pretty much see it from the amount of mobile money transfer alone which far exceeds that number , and they haven't really done a rebase yet .


I disagree. Somalias strenght is it's people. The human capital gain and investments and selfless giving that is producing economic growth in the country and job oppurtunities in the country. It's why Somalia is becoming a fast growing commercial and real estate hub , growing health care sector and boasts regions Nr. 1 university.

 

[Burqad]

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Just to show an example of this.

Frenji is a play on the European word of Franks which is what Ancient French and other Indo Europeans. It isn’t a Somali word. They met Franks and decided to label all whites as that.

It comes from what the byzantines called the Crusaders and the Muslims picked it up from them. The original word for Western European in Arabic was Bani al Asfar, because Arabs thought they had a yellow undertone.

The point was originally about Jariirweyne, I don’t know what they were called before that and I don’t believe Jariirweyne is an informal term to refer to all of them. Most ethnic Somalis aren’t going to refer to them by their individual tribes when referring to the whole Somali Bantu community.

As for words like Timo jelec and indoyar, I’ll be asking my parents how long they’re been using it particularly my boomer dad.

Somalis called Indians Baniya originally, from the merchant caste of Vainiya, which is the type of Indian most Somalis would have contact with.


As for Jreerweyne, the Bantu ones are the southern gosha ones, they are mostly descended from maroons or free-slaves who moved into the gosha jungle after the Somalis reconquered it from the Oromo.

The northern ones are called Habesh sometimes because they fled from the oromos down the Shabelle river, the core clans are Omotic ( neither Cushitic or Bantu).

they are called Jreerweyne because it is a Political clan confederacy, not a real one

 

[Riftvalley]

It comes from what the byzantines called the Crusaders and the Muslims picked it up from them. The original word for Western European in Arabic was Bani al Asfar, because Arabs thought they had a yellow undertone.


Somalis called Indians Baniya originally, from the merchant caste of Vainiya, which is the type of Indian most Somalis would have contact with.


As for Jreerweyne, the Bantu ones are the southern gosha ones, they are mostly descended from maroons or free-slaves who moved into the gosha jungle after the Somalis reconquered it from the Oromo.

The northern ones are called Habesh sometimes because they fled from the oromos down the Shabelle river, the core clans are Omotic ( neither Cushitic or Bantu).

they are called Jreerweyne because it is a Political clan confederacy, not a real one

I think some pre Swahili Islamic civilisation Bantus made there up to the riverine areas of Somalia. Some linguistics experts suggest this as all northern Swahili dialects have Somali loan words and nearly all of them have oral stories (shunguwaya) as having travelled from mainland southern Somalia to different areas, for example Bajunis to the coast.

 

[Burqad]

I think some pre Swahili Islamic civilisation Bantus made there up to the riverine areas of Somalia. Some linguistics experts suggest this as all northern Swahili dialects have Somali loan words and nearly all of them have oral stories (shunguwaya) as having travelled from mainland southern Somalia to different areas, for example Bajunis to the coast.

The oromos would kill them if they set foot north of the Tana, even bajunis lived on islands until the Somali reconquest for a reason. Shungwaya is a myth that comes from the influx of Wakatwa Somali clans southward.

 

[Riftvalley]

The oromos would kill them if they set foot north of the Tana, even bajunis lived on islands until the Somali reconquest for a reason. Shungwaya is a myth that comes from the influx of Wakatwa Somali clans southward.

We are talking pre Oromo migration.This is maybe for another thread though.

 

[Burqad]

We are talking pre Oromo migration.This is maybe for another thread though.

Urewe ware pots in the Tana river area only date to 100 years before the Oromo migration, so that would be impossible.

 

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[Riftvalley]

These might be Bengalis. Another case of sickening abuse and some will blame Elon Musk or deflect with stats about white people.

'Grooming was happening here': Key witness in Miah brothers sexual abuse trial speaks to Sky News

Barrow has a reputation as a "lying town" because of Eleanor Williams who was convicted of lying about being the victim of an Asian grooming gang. But as three brothers are jailed for preying on underage girls, a witness tells us: "Grooming was happening here and still probably is."

news.sky.com

The Miah brothers have been jailed after being found guilty in October of 62 offences between them, including child rape, kidnap and intimidation, committed between 1996 and 2010.

Shaha Amran Miah, 49, known as Jai; Shaha Alman Miah, 47, known as Ali; and Shah Joman Miah, 38, known as Sarj all pleaded not guilty.

Jai was sentenced to life with a minimum term of 20 years and 338 days; Ali to 10 years in prison and four years on licence; and Sarj to life with a minimum term of 21 years and 232 days.

There were tears in the public gallery, where three of the victims sat, as Judge Unsworth KC announced that since his conviction, Sarj has now admitted to all his crimes. One of the women responded: "It's too late!"

The court heard Sarj and Jai regularly sexually abused two children at a mosque in Leeds over many years.

 

[Riftvalley]

 

[Diirad]

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At this point I'm starting to think this degeneracy must be in their genes. Acudubillah!!

 

[DivineMartial]

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Just 3 years? Cadaanka iyo dayoothnimo

 

[Somali Saayid]

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This is beyond traumatising, subxanallah and they only got three years?!

 

[Lovelypriestess]

The typical deflectors are on here attacking Somalis and calling us a drain yet you would never see this systemic behaviour in the diaspora.

Infact Pakistanis in particular but South Asian in general are known across the west for extreme sexiest behaviour like honor killings, acid attacks towards women, the most disgusting abuse towards women and girls inside the home (the story about that South Asian woman in the UK that was hated by her parents for being a girl and thus was tormented beyond words) is something that is frankly not observed in other Muslim immigrant groups. The only exception seem to be Kurds/Iraqis/Syrians with the honor killings but that's a small percentage of all crimes.

These communities (all cultures frankly but in particular in the South Asian community) have a very hard time holding men accountable, which is why this allowed and to be continued for a long time. It's a shame because now all Pakistanis are treated as untrustworthy when most of them are good, law-abiding citizens just like the rest of the world and their women are very hard-working and focused on their education.

At the same time the UK should be ashamed of treating their vulnerable girls and women like this. It's all because of classism and the fact that these girls are looked down upon for being 'chavs/troublemakers/ broken/', that they were not cared for and thus easier to be taken advantaged of.

 

[Nur_]

There's this one Somali guy on Twitter who is putting his neck on the line. Doesn't know when and when not to be involved

Can you show the account? I want to see.

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[Taintedlove]

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I'm genuinely in shock. Subhannallah. I think I'd just ask to be given death at that point. I would never be able to trust men or go outside ever again.

 

[Taintedlove]

The typical deflectors are on here attacking Somalis and calling us a drain yet you would never see this systemic behaviour in the diaspora.

Infact Pakistanis in particular but South Asian in general are known across the west for extreme sexiest behaviour like honor killings, acid attacks towards women, the most disgusting abuse towards women and girls inside the home (the story about that South Asian woman in the UK that was hated by her parents for being a girl and thus was tormented beyond words) is something that is frankly not observed in other Muslim immigrant groups. The only exception seem to be Kurds/Iraqis/Syrians with the honor killings but that's a small percentage of all crimes.

These communities (all cultures frankly but in particular in the South Asian community) have a very hard time holding men accountable, which is why this allowed and to be continued for a long time. It's a shame because now all Pakistanis are treated as untrustworthy when most of them are good, law-abiding citizens just like the rest of the world and their women are very hard-working and focused on their education.

At the same time the UK should be ashamed of treating their vulnerable girls and women like this. It's all because of classism and the fact that these girls are looked down upon for being 'chavs/troublemakers/ broken/', that they were not cared for and thus easier to be taken advantaged of.

The worst a somali can do is ex-communicate you. Iska dhaaf is basically what somali parents would do. However I've noticed recently that Somalis in the diaspora are picking up these habits from those communities. I remember a case where a somali man honour killed his gaal girlfriend.

 

[Lovelypriestess]

The worst a somali can do is ex-communicate you. Iska dhaaf is basically what somali parents would do. However I've noticed recently that Somalis in the diaspora are picking up these habits from those communities. I remember a case where a somali man honour killed his gaal girlfriend.

And even that is mostly reserved for women and girls. I literally known Somali male criminals whose families would still defend and love them but let a Somali woman make a mistake and she would be a shame to her family for the rest of her life.

I remember that case, it was about a Somali man killing his pregnant Swedish girlfriend because he was afraid of the reaction from his family for getting her, a non Somali, pregnant out of wedlock. The typical racists made it seem like it was a honor killing but it is typical male violence, killing a pregnant woman because they do not want others to find out.

 

[Taintedlove]

And even that is mostly reserved for women and girls. I literally known Somali male criminals whose families would still defend and love them but let a Somali woman make a mistake and she would be a shame to her family for the rest of her life.

I remember that case, it was about a Somali man killing his pregnant Swedish girlfriend because he was afraid of the reaction from his family for getting her, a non Somali, pregnant out of wedlock. The typical racists made it seem like it was a honor killing but it is typical male violence, killing a pregnant woman because they do not want others to find out.

That's what an honour killing is though. Although racists trying to make is seem like a somali thing is wrong.

 

[Lovelypriestess]

That's what an honour killing is though. Although racists trying to make is seem like a somali thing is wrong.

you are right. I associated honor killings with only being done to a woman (or homosexual man) by their own family.