Somalis simply inhabited the region in those days. Where you saw the Periplus describe inhabitants in the coastal range, those were early Somalis. Periplus describes the period we're talking about, roughly. Somalis came to the region centuries before though.
I think the chance that they were Sabaean elites is high or related people. But as uniparentals shows, they probably came as a unit of dynasty that had historic population-history coherence given the TMCRA on mtDNA and Y-DNA.
I tagged you because I wanted to share the topic not involve you in the Harari; this is an ongoing debate you clearly are not privy to and it is cool but get some sense. You're giving more benefit of the doubt to that guy who literally said those things in another thread than me, a guy that you know is moving strangely on this forum saying we could not build anything because we're primitive. I mentioned his ethnicity because he is Harari and claimed they were superior in the thread and used Ethiopan-centric to delete Somalis from their own history. I did not say it happened in the thread you wrote it, nor did it involve you. Let's not repeat these things. I mention people every time I make these threads for engagement, but clearly I learned my lesson with you and will not bother you next time. It's all good sxb
We do have strong evidence closer to 2000 years ago on all fronts. I conceded that it could have come a couple of centuries further, like 2700-2500 even. There is no issue with that. But we have genetic aspects as well.
Yes, but there is also the style. Also, I believe if we had it earlier, we would see it in the earlier arts which shows other livestock in abundance.
It dates even further back with the Gash Group trading with Arabia, keep in mind E-V32 also took Sinai route into Arabia but might not be related to the Somali one.
The whole northern coast is a treasure throve, including the many towns situated in Awdal( Abasa, Amud, Awbube and Awbare town etc) several have ancient tombs alongside forts and preislamic and Islamic religious sites(all built of stone) I'll be head on site and will take high-resolution images next year Inshallah.
There is a massive chance there were Cushites in the Arabian peninsula. Trade did occur dealing with obsidian. There was one linguist who said that one of those South Arabian languages had a Cushitic substratum. You have a peculiar material culture that is shown in the Western coast shown by @Cartan Boos thread which I was too busy responding to. There are haplogroup associations as well, which might be more complex and could have entered during the Bronze Age during the Semitic expansion. Then there is the weird megalithic and art style culture which could have a bi-directional association between Neolithic pastoralists and between Arabia out Nile Valley ancestors.
E-V32 according to my assessment had to be much further north than Eritrea. I mean in the Egyptian desert.
A study gave me coordinates to what it claimed to be coordinates to an Adal period ruin deep into Somaliland:
I tagged you because I wanted to share the topic not involve you in the Harari; this is an ongoing debate you clearly are not privy to and it is cool but get some sense. You're giving more benefit of the doubt to that guy who literally said those things in another thread than me, a guy that you know is moving strangely on this forum saying we could not build anything because we're primitive. I mentioned his ethnicity because he is Harari and claimed they were superior in the thread and used Ethiopan-centric to delete Somalis from their own history. I did not say it happened in the thread you wrote it, nor did it involve you. Let's not repeat these things. I mention people every time I make these threads for engagement, but clearly I learned my lesson with you and will not bother you next time. It's all good sxb
We've had many Ethiopianists here over the years spreading anti-Somali propaganda, so I am merely talking about something that took place over several years, not in the thread you were in nor did I claim you said any of those things. What's with you being obtuse, sxb? I am speaking generally here, not particular to one thread, since no Ethiopians were in that thread... Get the picture. Historically Ethiopian users on this forum have undermined every part of Somali presence in their own history. That is what I am partly responding to. I'm going to look at you side-ways if you start acting like a lawyer for those people actng blind to their arguments which I have dealt with, and the rest of the guys on this anthro-space. This is not personal to them, and not about Ethiopians, but "Ethiopianists." There is a difference.
I tagged you because I wanted to share the topic not involve you in the Harari; this is an ongoing debate you clearly are not privy to and it is cool but get some sense. You're giving more benefit of the doubt to that guy who literally said those things in another thread than me, a guy that you know is moving strangely on this forum saying we could not build anything because we're primitive. I mentioned his ethnicity because he is Harari and claimed they were superior in the thread and used Ethiopan-centric to delete Somalis from their own history. I did not say it happened in the thread you wrote it, nor did it involve you. Let's not repeat these things. I mention people every time I make these threads for engagement, but clearly I learned my lesson with you and will not bother you next time. It's all good sxb
We've had many Ethiopianists here over the years spreading anti-Somali propaganda, so I am merely talking about something that took place over several years, not in the thread you were in nor did I claim you said any of those things. What's with you being obtuse, sxb? I am speaking generally here, not particular to one thread, since no Ethiopians were in that thread... Get the picture. Historically Ethiopian users on this forum have undermined every part of Somali presence in their own history. That is what I am partly responding to. I'm going to look at you side-ways if you start acting like a lawyer for those people actng blind to their arguments which I have dealt with, and the rest of the guys on this anthro-space. This is not personal to them, and not about Ethiopians, but "Ethiopianists." There is a difference.
The camel takes over as the drying of the land in the north increases, reflected in the faunal depiction in the art itself
(Same source): p. 207, and 208
With the trade drying up in the region after the 16th century, the majority of these towns just decayed over time, the whole region has been drying up for the previous 2,000 years, but it seems global warming will make Somali wetter.
I am not assuming anything; I am taking things how they come with it. They are not here anymore as far as I am concerned the guy was literally banned for those very reasons but they are following a long tradition and we've had successive Ethiopian individuals who have peddled the same thing. And yes, most of them were clear-cut malicious. I don't need you to tell me whether some guy who says Somalis are primitive is doing it out of nefarious reasons or not. Stop it, bro.
Now let's move on from this. If you don't get the context, you don't have to comment because I can discern intent from what is written. If I am calling you stupid and primitive and incapable of understanding or doing any sophisticated, then you're noting going to philosophize if it is not in good spirits or not. It's ridiculous. Unless you have internalized the same thing, and at that point, you're a lost cause.
I've heard before that global warming has a strange way of making the region wetter. I wonder how true that is. These happen in trends, when it has been dry for so long, one thinks it should get better. But Allah is the One who controls these things. Arabia is said to become more green lately. Although that comes with serious things since it is one of the signs.
I am not assuming anything; I am taking things how they come with it. They are not here anymore as far as I am concerned the guy was literally banned for those very reasons but they are following a long tradition and we've had successive Ethiopian individuals who have peddled the same thing. And yes, most of them were clear-cut malicious. I don't need you to tell me whether some guy who says Somalis are primitive is doing it out of nefarious reasons or not. Stop it, bro.
I will ask @Three Moons to give you a rundown on the program if you've been oblivious to the obvious. No one here has beef with random Ethiopians or Hararis. That is a wrong assumption.
Irrespective of whether they are here or not, I am informing my people of their history to guard it against malicious actors who have been lying, the latest one being @oogabooga, the Harrari who said Somalis were inferior. You're not going to come here and have a say in how I deal with it. Do manage your own affairs the way you like, not mine. Keep that respect and boundary, bro.
With regards to the camel discussion, it's getting repetitive. Up to this point, you've presented no good evidence for your claim. Everything that I presented was quite tight and rigorous having multiple evidence from different corroborating sources. Other than that, I appreciate your input in other threads, and I will give you the courtesy you've failed to give me in this thread as demonstrated even when informed.
It's only southern Arabia that gets wetter the map shows up to 2050, hopefully, we will pass the worst of the droughts in Somalia, it's not looking too good for Iraq, Tigris and Euphrates are driving up at such due to man-made dams in Turkey.
That was the point of this very thread. The whole thread was just straight to the facts, no-nonsense. I don't have time for trolling or getting dirty to sling mud. No one showed you that side here either; no fuss or petty -- it's just a historical/anthropological/archeological/ethnographic breakdown. Now you're telling me what I already did. It's kind of obnoxious. But anyway, let's not derail this thread. I have spent time fleshing out what really did not need explaining.
Yes. I saw the CaspianReport video on the dam situation and drying of the two rivers. It is tragic and I do think the bias Shirvan has of Turkey is too strong because he is an Azeri himself. Sure, Turkey is in the conversation. They should have a say and some concessions, but the YouTuber pretended Turkey had no blame, only that they had the "right." There is something evil with cutting off water. And I do agree that those dams might help Turkey with many things but it looks like Iraqis have no power to do anything. I'm not some anti-Turkey guy but that situation kind of is sad because a whole civilizational river might dry up leaving millions in the dust for water shortage.
One thing he should do is apply holisitic management , he can turn the whole area into thicker grassland by doing plan grassing with the cattle
Keep them in one area let them poop etc and then move them to another etc. You fertilize the soil and give it time to recover by not overgrazing it.
