The u.s should ban Niqaab.

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CrazyWadaad

Prince of East Africa
I do brother, one of them is leaving the Jama'a, or the Sawa'ul A'dham, as your man Ibn Abdal Wahhab did. Splitting from the majority of the ummah is a sign of the khawaraj, just as they split in the time of Ali, when they declared the sahaba of being kuffar, same ish with your man ibn Abdal Wahhab declaring everyone to redo their shahada because they were Mushrikeen.

I know my history brother, have you read Sawa'iq al-Ilaahiya by Sheikh Sulaiman ibn Abdal Wahhab? The brother of Sheikh An-Najdy? You should, and turn off your peace tv, that ish won't help.
You must be a Suufi....
Anyways Muhammad ibn AbdulWahab didn't split the Jamaca.If you mean breaking off the Ottomans then that isn't true either since Ottomans had no control over Najd and never claimed. As for the characteristics of the Khawaarij with references from Hadith which are Sahih
Posted from the al-ibaanah e-Book : Selected Examples from the Characteristics of the Extremist Khawaarij – Aadil bin ‘Alee Al-Furaydaan

Their Attributes and Characteristics

The First Characteristic: They are young in age. [Al-Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Second Characteristic: They have foolish minds – i.e. intellects. [Al-Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Third Characteristic: They speak with the best speech amongst creation. [Al- Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Fourth Characteristic: Their Eemaan does not go past their throats. [Al- Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Fifth Characteristic: They come out from the Religion just as an arrow comes out from the hunted game. Then they do not return back to it. [Muslim (no. 2496) from the hadeeth of Abu Dharr (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

And in one narration: “They shoot out from the Religion just as an arrow shoots out from the hunted game.” [Al-Bukhaaree (no. 5058) from the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudree (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

In another report it states: “They shoot out from Islaam…” [Al-Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Sixth Characteristic: They have a weakness when it comes to understanding the Religion of Allaah. This is why it has been reported that “They recite the Qur’aan but it does not surpass…” [Muslim (no. 2456)] “…or go past their throats.” [Al- Bukhaaree (no. 5058) from the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudree (radhi Allaahu anhu)]
 

CrazyWadaad

Prince of East Africa
Shaykh muhammad ibn abd al-wahhab rahimahullah had made many mistakes and may Allah forgive him for it, but how can you disagree with him on what the people were doing at the grave sites and at the sites of dead trees?!? Or are you one of those lost souls who make no distinction between tawassul and istigatha???
Zayd's a Suufi
 
Forget about what he did to the ignorant ones at the graves, what was worse was his systematic takfir of the Ulema, sending them missionaries that invite them to Islam as if they were not Muslims for the last 50 years of their lives..

Did I not say the Shaykh had many mistakes and inshallah Allah swt forgives him for it??? Despite that he was on the money on many of these "scholars" who were nothing more than desert priests promoting the Muslims to continue in their shirk. One can give them the excuse of ignorance as they did not realize the magnitude of the actions they committed at the graves but the scholar who despite understand the Quran and the Sunnah still is complicit in this shirk is not exempt. I'd say the Shaykh acted rather diplomatically by inviting them back to the truth first and showing them the error of their ways.
Your salafi historians say Sheikh An-Najdy was in jihad for 50 years, against who? He never left Arabiya in his life! It was against the Muslims. The way he cut himself off from the majority and then with arrogance indirectly proclaiming himself having the truth, is a sign of the khawarij.

lmfao at "your salafi". I'm about as Salafi as you are. Moreover you have no argument here. Let me ask you: can someone still be a Muslim if they pray to an idol??? Quraish also claimed to be Muslim and to be on the religion of their forefather prophet Ism'ail Alaihi salaam and that the idols they worshiped were only "a means" to draw close to the most high swt. Sound familiar??? You can claim to be a Muslim as much as you want but if your faith is not complete and free from shirk and kufr then it is all for naught. Now go back to your piir and kiss his toes. You give a bad name to the Ahl al-Tasawwuf that had among them giants of the Ummah such as ibn Hajar and Imam Nawawi rahimahumullah.
 

Zayd

Habar Magaadle
You must be a Suufi....
Anyways Muhammad ibn AbdulWahab didn't split the Jamaca.If you mean breaking off the Ottomans then that isn't true either since Ottomans had no control over Najd and never claimed. As for the characteristics of the Khawaarij with references from Hadith which are Sahih
Posted from the al-ibaanah e-Book : Selected Examples from the Characteristics of the Extremist Khawaarij – Aadil bin ‘Alee Al-Furaydaan

Their Attributes and Characteristics

The First Characteristic: They are young in age. [Al-Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Second Characteristic: They have foolish minds – i.e. intellects. [Al-Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Third Characteristic: They speak with the best speech amongst creation. [Al- Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Fourth Characteristic: Their Eemaan does not go past their throats. [Al- Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Fifth Characteristic: They come out from the Religion just as an arrow comes out from the hunted game. Then they do not return back to it. [Muslim (no. 2496) from the hadeeth of Abu Dharr (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

And in one narration: “They shoot out from the Religion just as an arrow shoots out from the hunted game.” [Al-Bukhaaree (no. 5058) from the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudree (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

In another report it states: “They shoot out from Islaam…” [Al-Bukhaaree (no. 5057) from the hadeeth of ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib (radhi Allaahu anhu)]

The Sixth Characteristic: They have a weakness when it comes to understanding the Religion of Allaah. This is why it has been reported that “They recite the Qur’aan but it does not surpass…” [Muslim (no. 2456)] “…or go past their throats.” [Al- Bukhaaree (no. 5058) from the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudree (radhi Allaahu anhu)]


Do you even hear yourself? You are praising the ottomans and the najdis, it's like me praising a killer and the victim he has killed, they cannot correlate.

Do you even know who Sultan Muhammad Pasha was? A Hanafi from Albania who defeated the last Mamluks, and then stormed Arabia, liberated it from the Khawarij, and then burnt Dir'iyah to the ground, captured the then Emir of the first Saudi Emirate, his name was Saud ibn Abdal Aziz ibn Muhammad ibn Saud, along grandsons of Ibn Abdal Wahhab, took hundreds of them to Istanbul and had them executed in a mass grave with no Salah upon them?

100% khawaraj.
 
Do you even hear yourself? You are praising the ottomans and the najdis, it's like me praising a killer and the victim he has killed, they cannot correlate.

Do you even know who Sultan Muhammad Pasha was? A Hanafi from Albania who defeated the last Mamluks, and then stormed Arabia, liberated it from the Khawarij, and then burnt Dir'iyah to the ground, captured the then Emir of the first Saudi Emirate, his name was Saud ibn Abdal Aziz ibn Muhammad ibn Saud, along grandsons of Ibn Abdal Wahhab, took hundreds of them to Istanbul and had them executed in a mass grave with no Salah upon them?

100% khawaraj.
Wait don't you live in the UK...It's like 4 or 5 there, shouldn't you be sleeping lol
 

Hubble

VIP
You liar. I know what I post and have never said anything along those lines. Bring forth your evidence or proudly wear your badge as a despicable liar.

Calm your breasts. Read your posts. You were livid that we questioned their safety and you made out that it was a gaalo plot to defame the Saudis despite the fact that we told you there was evidence. You basically accused of being gaaloraac for questioning the safety of vulnerable women who wouldn't have their muxram in the house they work in.
 

CrazyWadaad

Prince of East Africa
Do you even hear yourself? You are praising the ottomans and the najdis, it's like me praising a killer and the victim he has killed, they cannot correlate.

Do you even know who Sultan Muhammad Pasha was? A Hanafi from Albania who defeated the last Mamluks, and then stormed Arabia, liberated it from the Khawarij, and then burnt Dir'iyah to the ground, captured the then Emir of the first Saudi Emirate, his name was Saud ibn Abdal Aziz ibn Muhammad ibn Saud, along grandsons of Ibn Abdal Wahhab, took hundreds of them to Istanbul and had them executed in a mass grave with no Salah upon them?

100% khawaraj.
If rebelling against the rulers is khawaarij trait(which it is not) then even Muwaiya ibn Sufyan(May Allah be pleased with him) would be considered a khaariji under your faulty logic.The problem with you Sufis is your lack of knowledge and your overuse of term khawaarij.Qaadiriya in Hargeisa were the same guys saying Qat is Halal and they do dhikr while Mirqaan.Thats not deen...
 

CrazyWadaad

Prince of East Africa
@Zayd what also is wrong, is that khawaarij are considered Muslims that have gone astray that even they deserve to be prayed upon.So if that's what the Ottomans did then it was wrong.The ottomans near the end of the empire were ruled by the secular young Turks anyways.The decline of the ottomans is linked with their detachment from the Deen.They are not infallible
 
Calm your breasts. Read your posts. You were livid that we questioned their safety and you made out that it was a gaalo plot to defame the Saudis despite the fact that we told you there was evidence. You basically accused of being gaaloraac for questioning the safety of vulnerable women who wouldn't have their muxram in the house they work in.

There was no evidence provided other than stories and videos. I have heard stories and seen videos of big foot. I would be stupid to expect to people believe in big foot based on stories and videos I showed them. Despite that I never said it was haram for people to believe the propaganda for everyone has the right to be an unthinking ignoramus. Now you are saying "basically this" and "basically that" which means you have no proof of your vicious claims you dirty liar.
 
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