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Zayd
Habar Magaadle
You do not understand do you?
What did the Prophet say in the hadith? In which he identifies the saved sect? He calls them " Al Jama'a" in another Riwaya " As-Sawa'ul A'dham" "Al Firqatul Najiya" these all translate as, "The Group, The Vast Majority, the Saved Sect".
Was Muhamamd ibn Abdul Wahhab a member of the minority or the Majority?
Before I begin this long piece, let me clarify I have never ever claimed on here that I was a Sufi nor have I claimed that I follow a tariqa, so refrain from your assumptions.
Shaykh Al Islam ibn Taymiyyah (RAH) said
“And this sign which RasulAllah (saw) mentioned would be the sign for the first people of the Khawarij. But they are not the only people that are spoken of in these verses because He (saw) mentioned in other hadith that they would still keep coming until the age of the Dajjal. “It is concluded by the Muslims that the Khawarij are not the only Khawarij mentioned in the battles with Ali in the battle of Nahrawan.” (Majmual-Fatawa, 28/495-496)
So from this we can see that the Khawarij didn't end during the early generations, rather they kept manifesting and will continue to until the coming of Dajjal where they will join him. So if we look at 1100-1200 H.A we see a very important century in Islamic history. Why do I say this? Well if you really want to know listen to these audio clips from a course given by a Hanbali scholar, taught by Hanbalis, and is a strict adherent to the Hanbali way!
Watch from Part 3 to Part 10, and if you are wondering what are his sources, go back to week 1 and listen to the resources he will use throughout this course (they are a large list of books).
Honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.
Zayd
Habar Magaadle
Amus.
Hubble
VIP
You're long gone sxb if you think there are people out there making those kinds of videos in a studio.
If you call someone gaaloraac by saying they're following them then you're making a statement of kufr FYI. I hope the Saudi government are worth your takfir on people who are genuinely worried about women working in houses that other nations banned them to work in. They won't even have a muxram present in the house and you're not worried? You're such a weirdo.
Suuuuuuure bro
Your lies are now getting even more despicable! when did I call anyone gaaloraac or make takfir for believing in the propaganda of the agents of shaytaan you liar ?!?! Bring forth your evidence or wear your badge with honor you filthy scumbag!
CrazyWadaad
Prince of East Africa
@Zayd In regards to your post where you stated that Muhammed ibn AbdulWahab was a Khariji because he wasn't part of the "Vast majority" at that time,a person on the haq is in the Haq even if everyone else is doing Bid3a,I believe Sheikhul Islam Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab was a part of the Taifa Mansourah or the victorious group in English.
It is the Muslim’s duty to follow the truth and to join the victorious group, the people of Sunnah and Jamaa’ah (Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah) who are followers of the pious predecessors (al-salaf al-saalih), loving them for the sake of Allaah whether they are in his own country or elsewhere, and cooperating with them in righteousness.
The attributes of the victorious group are related in a number of saheeh ahaadeeth, for example:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “My ummah is an ummah which carries out the commands of Allaah; those who let them down or differ from them do not harm them and they will keep adhering to this path until the Day of Judgement.”
Mu‘aawiyah and ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with them) reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ‘A group of my ummah will continue victoriously adhering to the truth until the Last Hour begins.’”
Al-Mugheerah ibn Shu‘bah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) say: “Some people of my ummah will remain victorious over the people until the decree of Allaah reaches them.”
‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “A group of my ummah will continue fighting for the truth, and will prevail over those who oppose them, until the last of them will kill al-Maseekh al-Dajjaal (the Liar or Anti-Christ).”
From these ahaadeeth we may understand the following:
(1) The Prophet’s words “A group of my ummah will continue . . .” indicate that this is a section of the ummah, not the entire ummah. This also indicates that there will be other groups and sects.
(2) His words “those who oppose them will not harm them” indicate that there will be other groups who oppose the victorious group in the way they practice the religion. This also concurs with the hadeeth which describes the ummah being divided into seventy-two groups or sects who oppose the one group that is following the truth.
(3) Both ahaadeeth offer glad tidings to the people who are following the truth. The hadeeth that speaks of the victorious group speaks of their victory in this world.
(4) The words “until the decree of Allaah reaches them” refer to the wind or breeze that will come and take the soul of every believing man and woman. This does not contradict the hadeeth “A group of my ummah will remain victoriously supporting the truth until the Day of Resurrection,” because that hadeeth means that they will continue to follow the truth until that gentle breeze takes their souls just before the Day of Resurrection, when many other Signs of the Last Hour have already manifested themselves.
The characteristics of the victorious group
From the ahaadeeth quoted above, and other reports, we can derive the following characteristics of the victorious group:
(1) They follow the truth. They are described variously as “following the truth,” “following the commandments of Allaah,” “following the true religion,” etc.
All of these phrases indicate that they are adhering to the true religion with which Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent.
(2) They obey the commandments of Allaah, which means:
(a) They are distinguished from the rest of mankind by carrying the banner of Da’wah towards Allaah.
(b) They undertake the mission of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil.
(3) They will be victorious until the Last Hour.
The ahaadeeth say that “they will be victorious until the decree of Allaah comes,” “they victoriously support the truth,” or “they will be victorious over those who oppose them.”
This victory includes:
Being open and not hiding: they are well-known and prominent and have the upper hand.
Adherence to true religion, righteousness, following Allaah’s commands and fighting against His enemies in jihaad
Victory by defeating others
(4) They are patient and resist others with patience.
Abu Tha‘labah al-Khashani (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “After you there will come days of patience, in which the patience required will be like having to hold a burning coal in one’s hand.”
Who are the people of the victorious sect?
Al-Bukhaari said: “They are the people of knowledge (the scholars).”
Many scholars said that the victorious group is the scholars of hadeeth.
Al-Nawawi said: “It is possible that this group is scattered among all types of believers. Some may be brave fighters, or fuqahaa’, or scholars of hadeeth, or ascetics, or people who enjoin good and forbid evil, and other types of good people.”
Al-Nawawi also said: “It could be a group of different types of believers, including those who are brave and skilled in warfare, faqeehs, scholars of hadeeth, Qur’aanic commentators (mufassireen), those who enjoin good and forbid evil, ascetics and devoted worshippers.”
Ibn Hajar, may Allaah have mercy on him, explained the matter as follows: “They do not have to all be in one city; they could be gathered in one country or dispersed across the world. They may be gathered in one city or in a part of it. It is possible that one group may exist, then disappear, then be replaced by another group, and so on, until the Day of Judgement, when all will disappear except for one group in one city, who will disappear when the breeze decreed by Allaah comes.”
The scholars’ discussion of this group does not specify one type of people, or one city or country, except for the last group, which will be in al-Shaam (the territory comprising modern-day Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine) and will fight the Dajjaal, as the Prophet (peace be upon him) said.
It is the Muslim’s duty to follow the truth and to join the victorious group, the people of Sunnah and Jamaa’ah (Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah) who are followers of the pious predecessors (al-salaf al-saalih), loving them for the sake of Allaah whether they are in his own country or elsewhere, and cooperating with them in righteousness.
The attributes of the victorious group are related in a number of saheeh ahaadeeth, for example:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “My ummah is an ummah which carries out the commands of Allaah; those who let them down or differ from them do not harm them and they will keep adhering to this path until the Day of Judgement.”
Mu‘aawiyah and ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with them) reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ‘A group of my ummah will continue victoriously adhering to the truth until the Last Hour begins.’”
Al-Mugheerah ibn Shu‘bah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) say: “Some people of my ummah will remain victorious over the people until the decree of Allaah reaches them.”
‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “A group of my ummah will continue fighting for the truth, and will prevail over those who oppose them, until the last of them will kill al-Maseekh al-Dajjaal (the Liar or Anti-Christ).”
From these ahaadeeth we may understand the following:
(1) The Prophet’s words “A group of my ummah will continue . . .” indicate that this is a section of the ummah, not the entire ummah. This also indicates that there will be other groups and sects.
(2) His words “those who oppose them will not harm them” indicate that there will be other groups who oppose the victorious group in the way they practice the religion. This also concurs with the hadeeth which describes the ummah being divided into seventy-two groups or sects who oppose the one group that is following the truth.
(3) Both ahaadeeth offer glad tidings to the people who are following the truth. The hadeeth that speaks of the victorious group speaks of their victory in this world.
(4) The words “until the decree of Allaah reaches them” refer to the wind or breeze that will come and take the soul of every believing man and woman. This does not contradict the hadeeth “A group of my ummah will remain victoriously supporting the truth until the Day of Resurrection,” because that hadeeth means that they will continue to follow the truth until that gentle breeze takes their souls just before the Day of Resurrection, when many other Signs of the Last Hour have already manifested themselves.
The characteristics of the victorious group
From the ahaadeeth quoted above, and other reports, we can derive the following characteristics of the victorious group:
(1) They follow the truth. They are described variously as “following the truth,” “following the commandments of Allaah,” “following the true religion,” etc.
All of these phrases indicate that they are adhering to the true religion with which Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent.
(2) They obey the commandments of Allaah, which means:
(a) They are distinguished from the rest of mankind by carrying the banner of Da’wah towards Allaah.
(b) They undertake the mission of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil.
(3) They will be victorious until the Last Hour.
The ahaadeeth say that “they will be victorious until the decree of Allaah comes,” “they victoriously support the truth,” or “they will be victorious over those who oppose them.”
This victory includes:
Being open and not hiding: they are well-known and prominent and have the upper hand.
Adherence to true religion, righteousness, following Allaah’s commands and fighting against His enemies in jihaad
Victory by defeating others
(4) They are patient and resist others with patience.
Abu Tha‘labah al-Khashani (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “After you there will come days of patience, in which the patience required will be like having to hold a burning coal in one’s hand.”
Who are the people of the victorious sect?
Al-Bukhaari said: “They are the people of knowledge (the scholars).”
Many scholars said that the victorious group is the scholars of hadeeth.
Al-Nawawi said: “It is possible that this group is scattered among all types of believers. Some may be brave fighters, or fuqahaa’, or scholars of hadeeth, or ascetics, or people who enjoin good and forbid evil, and other types of good people.”
Al-Nawawi also said: “It could be a group of different types of believers, including those who are brave and skilled in warfare, faqeehs, scholars of hadeeth, Qur’aanic commentators (mufassireen), those who enjoin good and forbid evil, ascetics and devoted worshippers.”
Ibn Hajar, may Allaah have mercy on him, explained the matter as follows: “They do not have to all be in one city; they could be gathered in one country or dispersed across the world. They may be gathered in one city or in a part of it. It is possible that one group may exist, then disappear, then be replaced by another group, and so on, until the Day of Judgement, when all will disappear except for one group in one city, who will disappear when the breeze decreed by Allaah comes.”
The scholars’ discussion of this group does not specify one type of people, or one city or country, except for the last group, which will be in al-Shaam (the territory comprising modern-day Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine) and will fight the Dajjaal, as the Prophet (peace be upon him) said.
CrazyWadaad
Prince of East Africa
Ye Ye buddy just keep on throwing terms on the Sheikh
Zayd
Habar Magaadle
Bring me one evidence for the Sheikh's trinitarian tawheed concept:
Tawheed uluuhiya
Tawheed rubuubiyah
Tawheed Asma-Wa-Sifaat
He got this from Ibn Taymiyyah and this was one of the 11 mas'alas that Ibn Taymiyya (rah) differed with the Ahlul Sunnah, where is this in the Salaf, in the hadith, and in the Qur'an?
The sect that claims to adhere to the Salaf the most don't even follow them in Aqeedah, and in Aqeedah there is no khilaf as it is a Usuli issue and not a Fiqh one. So where did your so called victorious guided leader get this from?
CrazyWadaad
Prince of East Africa
We've argued about this before buddy.I will not be drawn back in.Everything you keep saying against the Sheikh can be refuted.This argument about Tawheed not being formalized during the Sahabas but rather it was scholars who wrote it down formalized it and continued to write books on it,this has been explained by shuyukh with much greater 'Ilm then me Bro.I will leave the thread here,I think we have derailed it enough lol
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Queen Carawelo
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Somalis are something else.
I created this topic so you assholes to agree with me because I am tired of having mini panic attacks seeing women or men I don't know what they're, walking around, hiding their faces. What if they blow up the place? The police should stop them and kick them out. They're even shopping for make up in Sephora, wtf is niqabi doing in Sephora shopping for make up? You're not even showing your face. So why are you wasting your time and money for?
And I'm on team @Zayd. He's pistol whipping you assholes, well with words and not actual pistol.
I created this topic so you assholes to agree with me because I am tired of having mini panic attacks seeing women or men I don't know what they're, walking around, hiding their faces. What if they blow up the place? The police should stop them and kick them out. They're even shopping for make up in Sephora, wtf is niqabi doing in Sephora shopping for make up? You're not even showing your face. So why are you wasting your time and money for?
And I'm on team @Zayd. He's pistol whipping you assholes, well with words and not actual pistol.
angrycat
not so sad after all
niqab shouldnt bother no one, i think its beautiful mashallah, a step further then traditional hijab and a sunnah of ummahatulmuminin ^_^
Like a wise man once said, if you cant support a fellow muslim in their endeavors, than at least just mind ur own business and leave em be
Like a wise man once said, if you cant support a fellow muslim in their endeavors, than at least just mind ur own business and leave em be
Women have the right to wear what they like. However in a situation like Somalia where terrorists have used the niqab to disguise themselves then I do support a temporary ban on the Niqab, at least until Al Shabaab are defeated. If its the safety of people vs right if women to wear niqab then safety is more important. However in the US terrorist attacks are not frequent so you can't make the safety argument.
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