We have always been religious ‘extremists’ which why we got al shabaab. Siad barre made our extremism even worse when he went against the sharia and killed sheikhs.
Thoughts on this take? Are secular Somalis increasing within the western hemisphere?
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I dont blame the girl for championing secularism. I’d rather live under secularism where my safety and freedom as a woman is protected than whatever somalia or Taliban is doing. This girl didnt see the most positive example of muslim rulership, we only see muslims kill eachother and blow things up. We muslims dont have any valid caliphate since abbasids died out.
Bro the only thing that trumps the god of qabiil and will make Somalis willingly submit is the Shariah.
When someone back home has any dispute he will go to odeyaasha qabiilka or corrupt courts when he knows he can manipulate the verdict in his favour even if he doesn't have a right to it. However, when he is truly oppressed and wants what is rightfully his...he will submit and say"kitaabka Allah aan iska xukumno".
Western system won't work amongst qabiilist, corrupt somalis no matter how we try to copy them. You steal something rape or kill someone? No problem, if you're from a bigger qabiil and your victim is from a lesser qabiil you will win in court or if you have money and links you can get a anything to swing In your favour
. Whilst Islam teaches us this Aisha said, "A woman from Bani Makhzumiya committed a theft and the people said, 'Who can intercede with the Prophet (ﷺ) for her?' So nobody dared speak to him (i.e. the Prophet) but Usama bin Zaid spoke to him. The Prophet said, 'If a reputable man amongst the children of Bani Israel committed a theft, they used to forgive him, but if a poor man committed a theft, they would cut his hand. But I would cut even the hand of Fatima (i.e. the daughter of the Prophet) if she committed a theft."
Muslims that are born and bred in the west should know in the name of Secularism they can practice their faiths freely. No governments should tell you what to do. Because this goes against in the name of Secularism. Not sure if it’s haram to live in under a non Muslim territory but it’s somewhat of a stigma I’ve heard before. Due their influences I can understand why some Somalis are highly religious in the west. Mainly is due to how they can’t keep their guard down.
Secularism supports any foreign religions. It has no allegiance.
I agree with everything you said except for the last part. Im sure you have seen how france weaponised secularism against muslims. All these so called staunch secularists describe themselves as cultural christians. We have seen their hypocrisy during the whole hijab and nun habit discourse when they were saying “its different”. Although i’d 100% prefer to live under secularism that doesnt mean I don't see its downsides, secularism pushes western shenanigans that Islam considers degenerate such as premarital sex, killing foetuses, lgbt, war on terror, etc.
Yes, Muslims are only permitted to stay in non muslim lands for a temporary period but ultimately they should make hijra back to muslim lands. Its haram to stay in a kaffir country for no valid reason. Its forbidden to stay longterm as you are risking your kids and grandkids spiritual wellbeing. During the last 3 decades, there have been a lot of people from muslims lands migrating to the west as a result of the political instability caused by the white overlords.
When you got to France and get citizenships they no longer see you that was once part of your ethnicity they only see you as French. French celebrates you as part of their community if you only ditch your culture for them. They basically want you to assimilate instead of integrate (not all French btw some loud minorities).
They celebrate diversity for all races if only you summit to the French daqan instead of cultural diversity.
Remember back in 2018 when France won the World Cup?
Most of the players were all Black.
They were divisions between the people that addressed them as Africans and the people that address them as French. If you claim them based on their race you’re a racist if you claim them as part of France you are stripping from their heritages.
France prioritise their identity (it’s colonial thing)
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Galool
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Again, you do not know what you are talking about. You are writing about your wishes and desires. Statistics show it is the opposite for (Sunni) Muslims. The more educated the more religious usually. As opposed to other religious groups that have the opposite trend due to their religion being false.
Muslims are becoming more religious, everywhere.
I don't care of these Salafi brothers call me a munafiq; I don't trust these dudes running a sharia-run state without making it more like what the Taliban's got going on in Afghanistan instead of an ideal nation for women that has the same cushy privileges as the West.
@Galool
@SWorld
You two have been going back-and-forth, pushing your contrasting ideas on whether religiosity increases with or without education/intelligence to absolutely no avail.
How about you two start providing statistics and studies to back up your beliefs instead of just saying that the evidence is on your side?
@SWorld
You two have been going back-and-forth, pushing your contrasting ideas on whether religiosity increases with or without education/intelligence to absolutely no avail.
How about you two start providing statistics and studies to back up your beliefs instead of just saying that the evidence is on your side?
yes we will, I'll raise full breed somali kids as gaals and spread my atheism throughout somalia by establishing schools that teach western values and science/secularism.
