TURKEY ASKS FOR ETHIOPIA TO GET ACCESS TO SOMALIA'S WATERS

[Yami]

Hsm alone can’t ”discipline” Isaaqs, let alone any qabiil. Nothing wadani about warring with Isaaqs and trying to force them to stay by force in the union. Isaaqs were wrong for the conflict that happened in SSC but that does not warrant an invasion.

Only way to unite somalis is by religion, we need excellent leaders for it. Other way is buying disgruntled qabiils loyalty by giving them jobs and improving the infrastructure in their area.

War will not unite somalis. Only war somalis should be fighting is against gaalada iyo kuwa gaalada taageero. Also the khawariji.

Exactly you’ll just alienate Isaaq even more by pulling that shit.

 

[Yami]

Talking like Deni doesn't shake his futo for Ethiopia

Or that Abdullahi Yusuf didn’t invite crusaders in 2006 lol

 

[FuadTuur]

@AraragiKoyomi

The secessionists' grievances about the military regime, which ended in 1990, are seen as a Scapegoat.
Isaaq’s real issue stems from dissatisfaction with their political influence in Somalia. After Somalia united in 1960, they anticipated greater power but faced setbacks, including a failed coup attempt in 1961 due to not getting the PM position. Their dissatisfaction is rooted in their political marginalization and political alliances like the wave of Irirism which was started by Isaaq, such as the influence of Darood and Hawiye factions, and losses in conflicts like the Gojacadde war that further weakened them. That caused them to be vessel for Ethiopia (MOU) they went as far as inviting oromo tribal leaders & claimed they’re related to oromo.
Another one of their failed tribal alliances.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

@AraragiKoyomi

The secessionists' grievances about the military regime, which ended in 1990, are seen as a Scapegoat.
Isaaq’s real issue stems from dissatisfaction with their political influence in Somalia. After Somalia united in 1960, they anticipated greater power but faced setbacks, including a failed coup attempt in 1961 due to not getting the PM position. Their dissatisfaction is rooted in their political marginalization and political alliances like the wave of Irirism which was started by Isaaq, such as the influence of Darood and Hawiye factions, and losses in conflicts like the Gojacadde war that further weakened them. That caused them to be vessel for Ethiopia (MOU) they went as far as inviting oromo tribal leaders & claimed they’re related to oromo.
Another one of their failed tribal alliances.

Definitely not a scapegoat and the issues go hand in hand, really. You can't be subject to the latest southern insanity if you are in a different country. From MSB to extremism, the south produces nothing but chaos really. You can't have influence in a chaotic environment.

 

[Yami]

The downfall began the day somalis trusted one man to have total power. Since when have we somali people been ruled by one chief?? It doesn't work and that part of our history proves it.

1972 was the year Somalia died not 1991. It’s when Siyaad killed the minds behind the socialist revolution. Mohamed Ainanshe Guled & Salad Gabyere Kediye. He then introduced his MOD ruling style (Mareexan Ogaden & Dhulbahante) that ended up alienating everyone else & the rest is history.


If that xayawaan is not burning in hell he is already reduced to ashes.

AUN to these patriots. They should’ve been the 2 to run the Somali Democratic Republic not that shaydaanid in human skin.

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

I agreed until the last statement of yours. First of all stop using the suffix land as a way fo identify yourself. Secondly its only isaaq who have been affected by the bombings of Siad Barre. Cisse, Dhulbahante, Warsangeli were Siad Barre collaborators. So just say Isaaq.

Thirdly. I dont like Siad Barre and he should have stepped down immediately after 77. What I dont like are secessionist. Y'all did all this(wanting to secede, being hostile, saying an Amxaar is closer to me than Garowe, aiding the kuffar against your fellow Muslim, whoring out another qabil's land to Ethiopians). Because what happened in 1988. Dont forget Ethiopians bombed Hargeisa twice and dont forget they occupy hawd, dont forget SNM bombed Boorama, so not a single rebel clan militia was innocent.

Again I am taking that comment back. I dont like Siad Barre but I fucking despise secessionist. Wallahi if Galmudug tried to secede I would bomb that place myself.

I would have taken your analytics seriously if you weren't a Weeb and a monogatari one at that

 

[Warzio7]

Good we will fight in 10 yrs winner takes it all ok? Hopefully ur prepared no usc to save u either!

Probably not gonna happen. FGS doesn’t have the ability to secured its own capital forget about deploying troops in Isaaq territory. You’ll have to try a 2nd genocide to beat us.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

I would have taken your analytics seriously if you weren't a Weeb and a monogatari one at that

Better than being a criminal who thinks he is a FBA. Would you prefer I had a pfp of a rapper? Do you prefer I had the vocabulary of a third grader? Do you prefer that my pants were sagging?

Me liking monogatari is a million times than the many things you can be today. I am a Salafi too.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Ethiopia by this, wants to get a legal base giving it a sea access as natural right that Somalia can't refuse, the same as Bolivia and Chile, Bolivia has the right to use Chilean ports as sea access.

This will give Ethiopia to use Somali ports as Their right, so how we gonna tax them using ports they have right to use?

The Chile Bolivia case is very different and complex but this is pretty funny:

Access to the Pacific Ocean has long been an issue in Bolivian politics. Despite lacking a coastline, Bolivia still has a navy, which was founded in 1963, and Bolivians annually celebrate the Day of the Sea. The Bolivian president, Evo Morales, made Bolivia's access to the ocean a key issue for his administration. He also used it to bolster his reelection efforts. When Pope Francis visited Bolivia in 2015, he called for dialogue between the two nations, saying, "Dialogue is indispensable. Instead of raising walls, we need to be building bridges."


Bolivia are Chile are not seeing eye to eye but Peru is more friendly to Bolivia and they gave them some sea on lease (still belongs to Peru and they are not allowed to build a port there but can use it for touristic reasons).

 

[Haragwaafi]

The only reason Ethiopia even has leverage is because of Culusow's refusal to discipline SNM. If he was a patriot, he would have parked an army in Awdal, an army in SSC and dared them to sign anything. He could make their lives a lot harder, but he's a mooryaan, and mooryaans are servile to SNM.

This is the real reason why Turkey even has the audacity to bring up "Access to Somalia's Waters" as a talking point.

Where this so called "army" of yours would cross first in order to reach Awdal which is a long way and tiresome journey ??

 

[Haragwaafi]

Because of SNM?? That little flea that just needs a good swatting? A big shame on Culusow's part, but does he understand shame.

SNM this SNM that why can't just Somaliland govt or Bixii's name, what does this have to do with long gone dead movement??

 

[MangoM]

Probably not gonna happen. FGS doesn’t have the ability to secured its own capital forget about deploying troops in Isaaq territory. You’ll have to try a 2nd genocide to beat us.

Current day FGS is fake, do not depend on that creation to be up against you lmao. Ye this the final cofin dw.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Current day FGS is fake, do not depend on that creation to be up against you lmao. Ye this the final cofin dw.

Why is a fake government in charge of your country? Where is the real one?

 

[IKHALIIL]

 

[Three Moons]

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[Itsnotthateasy]

I think the negotiations are going to fail.

Sea access agreements mostly rely on the political relations between the landlocked state and the transit state. Even though some people are pointing to the fact that landlocked states have a right to sea access under UNCLOS, the right of the transit state to it's legitimate interests can easily interfere. Even if Somalia and Ethiopia came to a deal, Somalia could argue it's interests were under threat and restrict access at a later point.

I think Turkey is involved to say, we will make sure the Somali government sticks to it's agreement as it's colonial cosign to make the deal more reliable for Ethiopia. But I don't think that's enough.

I think Ethiopia is just doing the negotiations for show. The Somaliland deal is many times better, many times more reliable.

 

[Flightboi]

Remember when Culusow's son killed someone in a traffic collision. I wonder how much that affected the deals that are being made with Turkey. Because how is Turkey going to tell the world, what is going to happen in Somalia's waters.

Turkey issues arrest warrant for Somali president's son over fatal traffic crash

culusow could just pay the victim's family a few million as blood money and compensation to keep them quiet. this was a braindead move as usual from culusow. And what would prevent his son to kill again if all it takes is to pay yourself from a murder charge? Every action has a consequence and...

www.somalispot.com

Is Turkey holding a grudge?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Is Turkey holding a grudge?

They just want to keep both Ethiopia and Somalia in their pockets. Somalia especially is their door into Africa, hardly any other country would give them such ease of access (the Islam card). Plus, it serves them to have influence right next to the Arabs.

 

[ggoat]

I think the negotiations are going to fail.

Sea access agreements mostly rely on the political relations between the landlocked state and the transit state. Even though some people are pointing to the fact that landlocked states have a right to sea access under UNCLOS, the right of the transit state to it's legitimate interests can easily interfere. Even if Somalia and Ethiopia came to a deal, Somalia could argue it's interests were under threat and restrict access at a later point.

I think Turkey is involved to say, we will make sure the Somali government sticks to it's agreement as it's colonial cosign to make the deal more reliable for Ethiopia. But I don't think that's enough.

I think Ethiopia is just doing the negotiations for show. The Somaliland deal is many times better, many times more reliable.

Turkey wouldn’t announce in such a manner if it wasn’t a foregone conclusion.

 

[Yami]

Imagine how frustrated isaaqis were when they came back to see everything they ever knew reduced to rubble, family missing, tons of skeletons lying in the streets. Would you rush to join the people who were genociding you? And give them any power over you again?

We left the union because of the Hiraab battle royal that went down between Abgaal and Habar Gidir in mid 1991 that destroyed Mogadishu. SNM was still heavily pro union after the genocide & segments of it were still unionist which lead to the biggest battles in the Somali civil war between HA/HJ vs GX. Isaaq wasn't fully separatist until the disarming of clan militias in 1996 & the Somaliland referendum of 2001.

Somaliland ictiraaf over genocide is bullshit PR we tell to U.N reps to better our chances at impendence. During the genocide so many clans from across Somalia & Galbeed came to our help so most older Isaaq don't hold grievances to them just kacaan We call our patriots of the war Mujahidiin for a reason we believed Kacaan were Socalist Athiests oppressors who didn't represent the average Somali.

My hooyo & ayeeyo lives were saved thanks to random Jidwaaq geeljires hosuing them when they ran away deep in Galbeed fleeing the genocide. Similar story with one of my habos.