USC failed miserably, but what about SNM?

[xisaabiye]

The SNM was apparently founded because the Ogaden or the WSLF used weapons meant to fight Ethiopia on Isaaq nomads in Hawd.

My question is very simple. I don't want to repeat it to you for the third time.

Ethiopia funds the tribal Ogaden militia known as Liyuu Police to govern the Somali Galbeed, and they used these weapons to attack Isaaq in Gaashaamo massacring hundreds. Why form a rebel group in Somalia against Siad Barre(for that very same reason) and not Ethiopia today(when unlike Siad Barre, they have the power to stop it as it's within their borders)? You used Ethiopia as your base to fight against Siad Barre, why not use Somaliland as a base to fight against Ethiopia? Or does the lives of Isaaq's not matter if it's not Somalis killing them?

Sxb do you think I support ethiopia or something? Nothing would make me more happy than seeing her burn to ashes and enslaving the remaining people. The Ethiopians use the ogadeen against everyone, not just Isaaq. In fact the majority people they kill are ogaadeen so your analogy with Barre supporting ogaaden against isaaq explicitly and ethiopia supporting ogadeen against all somalis implicitly is not a good argument. Get my point?

 

[horumar]

Sxb do you think I support ethiopia or something? Nothing would make me more happy than seeing her burn to ashes and enslaving the remaining people. The Ethiopians use the ogadeen against everyone, not just Isaaq. In fact the majority people they kill are ogaadeen so your analogy with Barre supporting ogaaden against isaaq explicitly and ethiopia supporting ogadeen against all somalis implicitly is not a good argument. Get my point?

Exactly, the xabashi bombed us during the ogaden war since we were closer to them than xamar, oh how i hate them

 

[xisaabiye]

If Kenya was bankrolling Khatumo to overthrow Siilaanyo, what do you think you guys would do



Ironically they're the only true victor of the Somali civil war

If Somaliland was trying to exterminate dhulos, and literally cleansing them and raping their women then wallahi they'd have all justification to partner with anyone to survive. For some reason you guys see Isaaq as somalidiid for that very reason.

 

[blueheff]

But the southerners think siad was a god and the blame the north for everything. Listen untill they take account for the actions and blame the failure as their own responsibility they will keep on blaming the north. Since the is still chaos in the south then I think this baseless argument they sprout will keep on going. I honestly can'tget my head around how the keep on blaming the snm for everything.

Wallahi i would take you more serious if you didn't peddle this north vs south narrative. We all know it wasn't a civil war faught along those lines.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Sxb do you think I support ethiopia or something? Nothing would make me more happy than seeing her burn to ashes and enslaving the remaining people. The Ethiopians use the ogadeen against everyone, not just Isaaq. In fact the majority people they kill are ogaadeen so your analogy with Barre supporting ogaaden against isaaq explicitly and ethiopia supporting ogadeen against all somalis implicitly is not a good argument. Get my point?

When the Ogaden attack Gadabursi and Ciise villages, I'll believe you.

However, @Duke of Bohol has shown clear proof of the opposite.

Ethiopia forces Somaliland to hand over ONLF fighters and their families, yet they protect Anti-Somaliland opponents because they are Gadabursi.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/ethiopia-refuses-to-hand-reer-borama-over-to-hargeisa.22844/

 

[xisaabiye]

When the Ogaden attack Gadabursi and 'Issa villages, I'll believe you.

However, @Duke of Bohol has shown clear proof of the opposite.

Ethiopia forces Somaliland to hand over ONLF fighters and their families, yet they protect Anti-Somaliland opponents because they are Gadabursi.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/ethiopia-refuses-to-hand-reer-borama-over-to-hargeisa.22844/

Bro...you're forming a completely different argument

How old are you

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Bro...you're forming a completely different argument

How old are you

Changing the topic again are you?

There is a clear clan bias in Ethiopia. The Dir(Ciise, Gadabursi) and the Ogaden are given special treatment which the Isaaq don't have. When these Ethiopian backed tribal militias target Isaaq villages and massacre hundreds, isn't that the same thing you accuse Siad Barre of doing?

 

[horumar]

Bro...you're forming a completely different argument

How old are you

You see my struggle

 

[xisaabiye]

Changing the topic again are you?

There is a clear clan bias in Ethiopia. The Dir(Ciise, Gadabursi) and the Ogaden are given special treatment which the Isaaq don't have. When these Ethiopian backed tribal militias target Isaaq villages and massacre hundreds, isn't that the same thing you accuse Siad Barre of doing?

Bro how on earth are ogaden given special treatment?They're literally massacred by the thousands. There's even a Ogaden CANADIAN CITIZEN who's been in prison for 10 years for being ogaden in ethiopia

 

[Bahal]

If Somaliland was trying to exterminate dhulos, and literally cleansing them and raping their women then wallahi they'd have all justification to partner with anyone to survive. For some reason you guys see Isaaq as somalidiid for that very reason.

The horrifying attacks on Isaaq civilians are indefensible and inexcusable, let alone idiotic from a counter-insurgency perspective.

Again, our issue here is the timeframe. I am not denying the obvious fact that atrocities occurred, but they did not occur in a vacuum.

Also, I literally have no problem with an attempt to overthrow a government viewed, rightly or wrongly, as deeply oppressive. I believe in self determination to a certain extent, but I find it hard to stomach the fact that our internal differences were and continue to be used against us by foreign nations, going so far as to openly boast about our balkanization.

Like I said before, it was an all around tragedy that should've never occurred.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Bro how on earth are ogaden given special treatment?They're literally massacred by the thousands. There's even a Ogaden CANADIAN CITIZEN who's been in prison for 10 years for being ogaden in ethiopia

In the past, when the majority of Ogaden were supporting the ONLF, they were punished. Of course. There is no reason why Ethiopia would reward any ethnic group or clan who fights against them.

The Ogaden today are allowed to use their tribal militia to attack innocent Isaaq, a tribal militia fully supported and armed by Ethiopia, a tribal militia within the borders of Ethiopia, and yet you're blaming the Ogaden and not Ethiopia?

 

[xisaabiye]

The horrifying attacks on Isaaq civilians are indefensible and inexcusable, let alone idiotic from a counter-insurgency perspective.

Again, our issue here is the timeframe. I am not denying the obvious fact that atrocities occurred, but they did not occur in a vacuum.

Also, I literally have no problem with an attempt to overthrow a government viewed, rightly or wrongly, as deeply oppressive. I believe in self determination to a certain extent, but I find it hard to stomach the fact that our internal differences were and continue to be used against us by foreign nations, going so far as to openly boast about our balkanization.

Like I said before, it was an all around tragedy that should've never occurred.

You give the ethiopians too much credit. They're poor short sighted . On a macro level we were a product of a proxy war between Russia & America. When either flexes their muscles, a civilization falls. No different than Syria.

 

[xisaabiye]

In the past, when the majority of Ogaden were supporting the ONLF, they were punished. Of course. There is no reason why Ethiopia would reward any ethnic group or clan who fights against them.

The Ogaden today are allowed to use their tribal militia to attack innocent Isaaq, a tribal militia fully supported by Ethiopia, a tribal militia within the borders of Ethiopia, and yet you're blaming the Ogaden and not Ethiopia?

Bruh I have 20 mins left for my fast and you're tempting me to call you every synonymous word for stupid in the english and somali language. Let's just stop here niinyo

 

[Bahal]

You give the ethiopians too much credit. They're poor short sighted . On a macro level we were a product of a proxy war between Russia & America. When either flexes their muscles, a civilization falls. No different than Syria.

Sadly these poor have the Somali race by the balls

 

[xisaabiye]

Sadly these poor have the Somali race by the balls

Sadly we don't agree on who's to blame and why, thus we wont agree on a solution

 

[horumar]

Sadly these poor have the Somali race by the balls

Just goes to show what a pathetic bunch Somalis have become without putting their differences aside.

 

[Bahal]

Sadly we don't agree on who's to blame and why, thus we wont agree on a solution

If there was no rebellion, it is undeniable the situation would be totally reversed after the EPLF and TPLF defeated Mengistu adlnd seceded like they were supposed to...

 

[xisaabiye]

If there was no rebellion, it is undeniable the situation would be totally reversed after the EPLF and TPLF defeated Mengistu adlnd seceded like they were supposed to...

If there was no Isaaq opression ther would be no rebellion

 

[Bahal]

If there was no Isaaq opression ther would be no rebellion

Touche

 

[merka]

Sadly these poor have the Somali race by the balls

They didn't have to do anything tbh. We practically gave ourselves away for nothing.