USC failed miserably, but what about SNM?

[horumar]

If there was no rebellion, it is undeniable the situation would be totally reversed after the EPLF and TPLF defeated Mengistu adlnd seceded like they were supposed to...

If there was no Isaaq opression ther would be no rebellion

We can put this as far back as if there was no union then it would have been better, if there was no colonialism it would have been better, but the truth is it happened. It is now up to us, the current somali generation to fix it instead of reminiscing of either barre's past deeds or sins, or the mistakes of the somali people. It is up to xamar to decide their fate. Unfortunately, it does not seem that will happen anytime soon, so Somaliland will continue their independence, and the fault will be with the south again for failing to look at the greater issue of Somali Unity and prosperity.

 

[Gambar]

Nice of you to pop back in, did you read the proof of the deliberate targeting of Isaaq by barre-supplied ogadeni forces?

There is no way they could've been united, just like @merka said, this was a clan uprising, and that is why the SNM started in 81, way before the other clans. They felt the brute force of barre out of the other clans the most.

@SultanuuFicaan was also right in saying that the coup in 1969 should've been the point at which we rebelled. However the matter of the fact is that the people actually supported the coup. Siad barre's main purpose for the coup was to end the corruption of the SYL and the clan-based political system with each clan and sub sub clan having their own political parities. I mean there were over 40 parties for a country of a few million like wtf? It would've been undemocratic if the Marxuum Cigaal rebelled then, it would've been better if there was a better political establishment of Somalia before the colonials left us. Which we had in Somaliland, as it was a protectorate, but not so much in the Italian colony. They were directly governed and had no experience other than being taught in Italian schools and unis to further Italy's post colonial agenda. Somaliland's politicans were experienced and were taught in Somaliland and had a lot of time governing the country, as it was a protectorate, not a colony.

What other clans? The SSDF was formed before the SNM in the 70s and had a failed coup.

I very much agree with what @jugjugwacwac was and these rebel groups were very short sighted.

 

[xisaabiye]

Touche

But niinyo wax baan reer somalia layaabanahay. It's been 25+ years and they still don't wont to talk about the elephant in the room. This should be their main priority since near half the former Somali republic is missing. If there's sincerity how come they've never formally reached out to SL and said , " we fkd up can we try and fix things together". There's literally zero effort from koonfurian government to even try and patch up ill feelings, let alone reconcile. At least siilaanyo reached out to xamar the moment a government was formed in 2012 and tried to start talks

 

[horumar]

What other clans? The SSDF was formed before the SNM in the 70s and had a failed coup.

I very much agree with what @jugjugwacwac was and these rebel groups were very short sighted.

The SNM existed in one form or another ever since we joined in 1960. It may not have been official but there was always a resistance group towards the Somali gov by the isaaq clan.

 

[Bahal]

We can put this as far back as if there was no union then it would have been better, if there was no colonialism it would have been better, but the truth is it happened. It is now up to us, the current somali generation to fix it instead of reminiscing of either barre's past deeds or sins, or the mistakes of the somali people. It is up to xamar to decide their fate. Unfortunately, it does not seem that will happen anytime soon, so Somaliland will continue their independence, and the fault will be with the south again for failing to look at the greater issue of Somali Unity and prosperity.

No need for doom and gloom sxb, within our grandparent's lifetime we achieved Independence, and within our parent's lifetime we were a hundred kms from taking Addis Ababa.

Perhaps we will be the generation that makes a Greater Somali Republic a reality

 

[horumar]

elephant in the room

Wallahi this is so true. They will carry on saying maamulka somaliland or somalia wa mid, but who are they kidding? Sweeping it under the carpet will only make the anti-somalia agenda in Somaliland increase, they're biting their own tail with this one

@Bahal We can dream walaal, every day we will dream and dream, but it is futile if there is no action taken.

 

[Gambar]

But niinyo wax baan reer somalia layaabanahay. It's been 25+ years and they still don't wont to talk about the elephant in the room. This should be their main priority since near half the former Somali republic is missing. If there's sincerity how come they've never formally reached out to SL and said , " we fkd up can we try and fix things together". There's literally zero effort from koonfurian government to even try and patch up ill feelings, let alone reconcile. At least siilaanyo reached out to xamar the moment a government was formed in 2012 and tried to start talks

The Somali culture has changed. There's xenophobia within Somali clans that's only become worse.

 

[Bahal]

But niinyo wax baan reer somalia layaabanahay. It's been 25+ years and they still don't wont to talk about the elephant in the room. This should be their main priority since near half the former Somali republic is missing. If there's sincerity how come they've never formally reached out to SL and said , " we fkd up can we try and fix things together". There's literally zero effort from koonfurian government to even try and patch up ill feelings, let alone reconcile. At least siilaanyo reached out to xamar the moment a government was formed in 2012 and tried to start talks

Let's try to feed ourselves first sxb

I'm 100% convinced our differences are mostly superficial and the result of straight up poverty, borne out of a fear of marginalization and subsequent lack of access to resources.

I don't think even clans will be relevant with economic growth and people worrying about normal shit like careers and their children's futures.

 

[xisaabiye]

waryahe @jugjugwacwac Kuso noqo sheekada I don't mind different opinons niinyo Meeshan maa somnet baad moodeysa Isaaq get heated when they hear this topic, especially since you're one of us

 

[blueheff]

The SNM existed in one form or another ever since we joined in 1960. It may not have been official but there was always a resistance group towards the Somali gov by the isaaq clan.

So you formed a rebel group before being persecuted

 

[horumar]

I love all Somali people, i do not like the Somalis who have a bad agenda, be it barre sympathasiers, shabab, and all those people are are anti-somali. When i see a Somali person on the street i do not care for their qabiil or any of that sorts, this should be the mentality of somalinimo. In reality Somalinimo has been hijacked to mean pro-Somalia. Somalinimo is the key to success. There is no somali government, be it Somaliland, Somalia, the federal states, ogaden and so on that believe in Somalinimo. That is our problem.

 

[xisaabiye]

Let's try to feed ourselves first sxb

I'm 100% convinced our differences are mostly superficial and the result of straight up poverty, borne out of a fear of marginalization and subsequent lack of access to resources.

I don't think even clans will be relevant with economic growth and people worrying about normal shit like careers and their children's futures.

I agree that this is why qabiyaalad exists, strictly due to economic impoverishment. But you gotta admit that Somalia and it's clans need to do more convincing if they want Isaaq to brotherhood or unity for that matter. At least be diplomatic and say what needs to be said even if it's not sincere, like what's swroong with yall

 

[jugjugwacwac]

waryahe @jugjugwacwac Kuso noqo sheekada I don't mind different opinons niinyo Meeshan maa somnet baad moodeysa Isaaq get heated when they hear this topic, especially since you're one of us

Lol I'll be back later on tonight sxb. Afur wanaagsan.

 

[horumar]

So you formed a rebel group before being persecuted

Persecution started then. Do you not know about the historical background of the isaaq rebellion? Do you even know why the 1961 coup happened? If not please take your qabyaalad filled mind somewhere else

 

[blueheff]

Persecution started then. Do you not know about the historical background of the isaaq rebellion? Do you even know why the 1961 coup happened? If not please take your qabyaalad filled mind somewhere else

So now the persecution started in the 60s

 

[horumar]

So now the persecution started in the 60s

I asked you several questions, you refused to answer, take your isaaq hated and anti somalinimo ideology elsewhere

 

[xisaabiye]

Persecution started then. Do you not know about the historical background of the isaaq rebellion? Do you even know why the 1961 coup happened? If not please take your qabyaalad filled mind somewhere else

Sxb your going to open a can of worms, let's not take it that far back, they don't know these things

 

[blueheff]

I asked you several questions, you refused to answer, take your isaaq hated and anti somalinimo ideology elsewhere

Sxb i didnt answer your question because every1 knows the 61 coup happend because certain greedy traitors wanted to break up the union less than 2 years after independence.

They didnt attempt the coup in 61 because they were being persecuted.
Somalia was a democracy in 61. Give me evidance of isaaqs being persecuted during this period?

cut the bulshit inabti

 

[XamarCade]

Somalilanders!!!! Get the f*ck over it, what happened in the past is in the past, STFU and move on with ur lives ok, I'm fucking sick of ur crying like es bullshit!!!!!

 

[horumar]

Somalilanders!!!! Get the f*ck over it, what happened in the past is in the past, STFU and move on with ur lives ok, I'm fucking sick of ur crying like es bullshit!!!!! View attachment 19811

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