Wahhabism or Slander ?

[AdoonkaAlle]

smh that's not how Islam work, we take the Ijma3. There is no Ijma3 on what Imaam Nawawi, Iman Ahmad said regarding this matter.

If there's no ijma on what they said, what about those who hold the same views as you in this issue ? do you believe there's ijma that establishes the position that you hold ?

To cut a long story short, The videos linked mention the conditions and the evidence. there are 3 conditions when seeking help from other than Allah.

The person you're seeking help from is:
1. alive in this world
2. with you in this world
3. able to do what you ask

Is the Prophet (CS) alive in this world?
Is the Prophet (CS) with you in this world?
Is the Prophet able to do what you ask? (By the permission of Allah)

Therefore it's prohibited to seek help from Prophet Muhammed (CS)

My car broke down, can I seek help from a mechanic?

Is the mechanic alive in this world?
Is the mechanic with you in this world?
Is the mechanic able to fix your car? (By the permission of Allah)

Therefore it's allowed to seek help from the mechanic

Now i want you to bring statements from the salaf and the ulama who came after them who established those 3 conditions ?

 

[reer]

i understand the murun now so you are a mudug style sufi @AdoonkaAlle wabillahi tawfiiq

 

[مسافر]

If there's no ijma on what they said, what about those who hold the same views as you in this issue ? do you believe there's ijma that establishes the position that you hold ?



Now i want you to bring statements from the salaf and the ulama who came after them who established those 3 conditions ?

err the proof is literally in the Quran. Those 3 conditions are in the Quran. Again watch the materials provided.
Walahi man, I'm not going to waste time here. This will be my last comment by Allah's permission. Salam

Act as you wish!

(Muhammad), tell them, "Act as you wish. God, His Messenger and the believers will see your deeds. You will be brought before the One who has absolute knowledge of the unseen and the seen. He will let you know about all that you have done. [9:105]

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

err the proof is literally in the Quran. Those 3 conditions are in the Quran. Again watch the materials provided.
Walahi man, I'm not going to waste time here. This will be my last comment by Allah's permission. Salam

Act as you wish!

(Muhammad), tell them, "Act as you wish. God, His Messenger and the believers will see your deeds. You will be brought before the One who has absolute knowledge of the unseen and the seen. He will let you know about all that you have done. [9:105]

If those 3 conditions are in the quran as you claim then how come ulama such as , imam ahmad, imam nawawi, ibn qudama supposedly missed it & allowed tawassul with the Prophet peace be upon him ? In addition to this we've the hadith that imam ahmed acted on seeking the help of the slaves of Allah when one loses his way

I mean are you trying to claim that you lot have a better understanding of the deen than them ?On top of that, i already addressed one of the conditions in my exchange with @Xiniinyo in this very thread, that should've been more than sufficient example but did you bother to read or even understand it ?

I've already advised some of the users to not be quick in judgment and accuse muslims of shirk when they lack knowledge in this issue. It's better to err on the side of caution than to err on the side of making takfir

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

i understand the murun now so you are a mudug style sufi @AdoonkaAlle wabillahi tawfiiq

war sxb i need the laugh mahadsanid