Was Bilal (RA) black? Afrocentricity and Islam

[Bahal]

Habash to me always meant slave/adoon.

I kid you not, I found out Xabashi was Habesha on somnet

 

[Rooble]

Somalis still use the term habsh to refer to any kinky haired people. Madow is the politically correct term whereas habash or adoon is the pejorative. Even In the hindi language habashi is literally .

What do you think habash means? It's actually a word that was used to describe all black skin people not just the people who love in the highlands of HOA.

Even ISIS called all of east Africa bilad al habash.

Who the hell cares about what ISIS thinks. They are not scholars , just some gun wielding Neanderthals from the Levant.

Habash is not a word to describe "Black skinned people". Northern Somalis always used Habash as in "Abyssinian" or "Galla", while southern Somalis used Habasha as "slaves",

You can tell by how @Bahal agrees with you.

Also Southern Somalis never use Habasha synonymous with NEGRO.

Because of old rivalry between Somali and Habesha or Habesha and Arabs. These groups add a pejorative meaning to the term. If Habesha was pejorative. Why the hell would they embrace this term.


Regarding the Indian Siddi people. These people were referred to as Habshi, cause of the captains of the Abyssinian ships.

Similarly, another term for Siddis, habshi, is held to be derived from the common name for the captains of the Abyssinian ships that also first delivered Siddi slaves to the subcontinent.

Also these Siddis were originally Negroid or Zanj

Siddis were referred to as Zanji by Arabs; in China, various transcriptions of this Arabic word were used, including Xinji (辛吉) and Jinzhi (津芝).

Also Bilal ra. mother could never have been a Negroid, since she was a princess,

 

[Rooble]

@DeathWish gtfoh you oompa loompa

 

[DeathWish]

@DeathWish gtfoh you oompa loompa

Thank you for your compliment!

 

[John Michael]

Who the hell cares about what ISIS thinks. They are not scholars , just some gun wielding Neanderthals from the Levant.

Habash is not a word to describe "Black skinned people". Northern Somalis always used Habash as in "Abyssinian" or "Galla", while southern Somalis used Habasha as "slaves",

You can tell by how @Bahal agrees with you.

Also Southern Somalis never use Habasha synonymous with NEGRO.

Because of old rivalry between Somali and Habesha or Habesha and Arabs. These groups add a pejorative meaning to the term. If Habesha was pejorative. Why the hell would they embrace this term.


Regarding the Indian Siddi people. These people were referred to as Habshi, cause of the captains of the Abyssinian ships.


Also these Siddis were originally Negroid or Zanj



Also Bilal ra. mother could never have been a Negroid, since she was a princess,

Bilad al habash also historically referred to southern morroco (guess why) and is used as a nickname for several black historical figures.

Also bilal was a slave where did you get that his hooyo was a princess?

And yes habash and habasha are both used for negro by Somalis. Bahal isn't from the south he's from central Somalia. Stop making it a south vs north thing qaldaan yahow.

Why would Arabs have a very specific term for highlanders? Just why? Doesn't even make sense.

Some Eritreans/Ethiopians know the origins of the word and do not refer themselves as habasha.

Btw, I was pointing out that Isis categorised the black African region that they wanted to conquer as bilad al habash just like it was previously called before.

 

[Rooble]

Bilad al habash also historically referred to southern morroco (guess why) and is used as a nickname for several black historical figures.

Also bilal was a slave where did you get that his hooyo was a princess?

And yes habash and habasha are both used for negro by Somalis. Bahal isn't from the south he's from central Somalia. Stop making it a south vs north thing qaldaan yahow.

Why would Arabs have a very specific term for highlanders? Just why? Doesn't even make sense.

Some Eritreans/Ethiopians know the origins of the word and do not refer themselves as habasha.

Btw, I was pointing out that Isis categorised the black African region that they wanted to conquer as bilad al habash just like it was previously called before.

@Bahal is from Gedo. Cabudwaaq is koonfur too.

No it's not used for Negro.

I know Eritreans and they do not refer to themselves as Habesha cause they are nationalists and their country consists of 7 ethnics not because they don't identify as Habesha.

 

[Bahal]

@Bahal is from Gedo. Cabudwaaq is koonfur too.

I'm not from Gedo

Caabudwaaq is closer to the Red Sea then Gedo tbh

 

[Tramo]

I can't believe there's a thread discussing if Bilal (ra) was a negroid

 

[Keo]

Habasha means though or at least negro.

That's why somalis refuse to go by that term.

Why would we go by that term when we are not Habesha? We don't even have a high percentage of Semitic DNA.

 

[John Michael]

@Bahal is from Gedo. Cabudwaaq is koonfur too.

No it's not used for Negro.

I know Eritreans and they do not refer to themselves as Habesha cause they are nationalists and their country consists of 7 ethnics not because they don't identify as Habesha.

So why was southern Morocco referred to as habash?

Why would we go by that term when we are not Habesha? We don't even have a high percentage of Semitic DNA.

Semetic is a language group you dolt! Habash means dark skinned people.

 

[Ferrari]

To be black, you don't have to look like a west African sxb. To arabs, asians and whites, anyone from the subsaharan countries in Africa is black that includes us too. If Obama is considered black, why wouldn't bilal be?

 

[Keo]

So why was southern Morocco referred to as habash?

Semetic is a language group you dolt! Habash means dark skinned people.

Habesha are Ethiopian and have a smaller percentage of E1b1b Y-DNA than us which means they are mixed. How much Middle Eastern DNA do Somalis have? The highest I have seen is 4 - 5%..

 

[DuctTape]

To be black, you don't have to look like a west African sxb. To arabs, asians and whites, anyone from the subsaharan countries in Africa is black that includes us too. If Obama is considered black, why wouldn't bilal be?

My question is; why are we applying our extremely limited and insular views on a made up concept to people that lived over a thousand years ago
The obsession with race in today's world is too much.

 

[Rooble]

To be black, you don't have to look like a west African sxb. To arabs, asians and whites, anyone from the subsaharan countries in Africa is black that includes us too. If Obama is considered black, why wouldn't bilal be?

Bilal ra looked like your typical Southern Arabian.

 

[DuctTape]

Habesha are Ethiopian and have a smaller percentage of E1b1b Y-DNA than us which means they are mixed. How much Middle Eastern DNA do Somalis have? The highest I have seen is 4 - 5%..

Somalis have substantial middle eastern DNA. The issue is it's very ancient and existed before Arabs were even a thing.
Ethiopians on the other hand have more recent Arab DNA.

 

[Rooble]

My question is; why are we applying our extremely limited and insular views on a made up concept to people that lived over a thousand years ago
The obsession with race in today's world is too much.

You have to agree he looked like your typical Southern Arabian. Not the people that we know today as Negroids.

 

[Ferrari]

My question is; why are we applying our extremely limited and insular views on a made up concept to people that lived over a thousand years ago
The obsession with race in today's world is too much.

chill xoogaa, you never asked me a question. But let me ask you this, if we took obama to the 7th century, do you think he could pass for an arab?

 

[DuctTape]

You have to agree he looked like your typical Southern Arabian. Not the people that we know today as Negroids.

Sure thing. The facts are there, I can't really deny them.

 

[Rooble]

dark Arab + habesha mom = not negro

 

[DuctTape]

chill xoogaa, you never asked me a question. But let me ask you this, if we took obama to the 7th century, do you think he could pass for an arab?

Forgot the question mark
Definitely not. He looks like a light skinned black man. Nothing Arab about his features.