Show me where Southern Moroccco was referred to as Habash?
Was Bilal (RA) black? Afrocentricity and Islam
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Ferrari
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lol that's my point. It doesn't matter what we know or don't know at the moment but to arabs from today's age or ancient times, no mixed breed would pass for a full arab. no way. Hence why he was a slave to even begin with.Forgot the question mark
Definitely not. He looks like a light skinned black man. Nothing Arab about his features.
But I agree tho, we discuss race a little too much here. We are becoming like those hebrew israelites black dudes on youtube.
Apparently, they even turned a faarax who you were having a back and forth earlier.
Prince of Lasanod
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Somalis have around 40-50 % ancient Middle Eastern ancestry.
Habeshas and Oromos also have substantial Omotic admixture.
sudanese were also abyssinian, his mom could have been sudanese. and why do people obsess over bilal? he wasn't the only abyssinian sahabi
DuctTape
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Abyssinia and Sudan were two very different regions historically.
Abyssinia has always been Northern Ethiopia, so it's pretty clear that Bilal was Ethiopian.
DeathWish
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Bilal (RA) was a habesha man
Many of you Somalis are still asleep
Yes, They woke me up! I see the world in a new way.lol that's my point. It doesn't matter what we know or don't know at the moment but to arabs from today's age or ancient times, no mixed breed would pass for a full arab. no way. Hence why he was a slave to even begin with.
But I agree tho, we discuss race a little too much here. We are becoming like those hebrew israelites black dudes on youtube.
Apparently, they even turned a faarax who you were having a back and forth earlier.
Many of you Somalis are still asleep
Prince of Lasanod
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I know this guy and girl half habesha(eritrean), half Arab(one is Jordanian other is from Kuwait) and they all look like full Arabs.
To be an Arab your father must be an arab. The only reason why he was dark is because of Arabia's weather, else he would of been light skin.
Bilal (ra) was not a black man.
To be an Arab your father must be an arab. The only reason why he was dark is because of Arabia's weather, else he would of been light skin.
Bilal (ra) was not a black man.
You are the only one asleep fam. lolBilal (RA) was a habesha man
Yes, They woke me up! I see the world in a new way.
Many of you Somalis are still asleep
DuctTape
I have an IQ of 300
Half Somali half Arabs also tend to look full Arab.
That's true but Arabs like the Yemenis and Omanis are sometimes as dark as Somalis and Ethiopians, Arabian weather or not.
Lol you guys still going at it ...
I think people with brown skin colour were called اسود during that time. I remember reading this Hadith talking about an incident where a companion and Bilal had something between them. The campanion ended up calling Bilal 'son of a black woman' . Bilal then complained to the Prophet (SAW) and then the prophet became angry. Not sure whether it was a Hadith (most likely it is) or not but it is a well known story. Google the name Abu dharr and Billal if you want to know more.
Ferrari
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Bilal (RA) was a habesha man
Yes, They woke me up! I see the world in a new way.
Many of you Somalis are still asleep
I am not having the convo with you sxb.
You probably talking about a Tigrinya marrying your regular Arab. Of course they would look like that. Bilal ra father was not your regular Arab of today he was those dark Arabs and his mom was probably a dark Habesha.
Prince of Lasanod
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Just in 1960, 20 % of Saudi Arabia population were slaves(arab slaves were almost always women as well). Most Saudis have habesha grandmothers or mothers. Yet none of them are considered black.
I think that map was established during the scramble for africa but during the time of the Prophet (PBUH), Abyssinia consisted of most of eastern africa and was also a loose term for that entire region/black people.
Prince of Lasanod
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Sudan was called Nubia during the time of the Prophet (PBUH), they had a Christian kingdom.
Abu Umamah reported: Abu Dharr reproached Bilal about his mother, saying, “O son of a black woman!” Bilal went to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, and he told him what he said. The Prophet became angry and then Abu Dharr came, although he was unaware of what Bilal told him. The Prophet turned away from him and Abu Dharr asked, “O Messenger of Allah, have you turned away because of something you have been told?” The Prophet said, “Have you reproached Bilal about his mother? By the one who revealed the Book to Muhammad, none is better than another except by righteous deeds. You have none but an insignificant amount.”
Source: Shu’ab al-Imān 4760
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
عَنْ أَبِي أُمَامَةَ قَالَ عَيَّرَ أَبُو ذَرٍّ بِلالا بِأُمِّهِ فَقَالَ يَا ابْنَ السَّوْدَاءِ وَإِنَّ بِلالا أَتَى رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَأَخْبَرَهُ فَغَضِبَ فَجَاءَ أَبُو ذَرٍّ وَلَمْ يَشْعُرْ فَأَعْرَضَ عَنْهُ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَقَالَ مَا أَعْرَضَكَ عَنِّي إِلا شَيْءٌ بَلَغَكَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ أَنْتَ الَّذِي تُعَيِّرُ بِلالا بِأُمِّهِ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَالَّذِي أَنْزَلَ الْكِتَابَ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ أَوْ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَحْلِفَ مَا لأَحَدٍ عَلَيَّ فَضْلٌ إِلا بِعَمَلٍ إِنْ أَنْتُمْ إِلا كَطَفِّ الصَّاعِ
4760 شعب الإيمان للبيهقي الرابع والثلاثون من شعب الإيمان وهو
307 المحدث الألباني خلاصة حكم المحدث صحيح بغير هذا السياق في غاية المرام
I think Bilal (R.A) might had some features that could distinguish him from the Arabs. Who knows? الله اعلم.
Source: Shu’ab al-Imān 4760
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
عَنْ أَبِي أُمَامَةَ قَالَ عَيَّرَ أَبُو ذَرٍّ بِلالا بِأُمِّهِ فَقَالَ يَا ابْنَ السَّوْدَاءِ وَإِنَّ بِلالا أَتَى رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَأَخْبَرَهُ فَغَضِبَ فَجَاءَ أَبُو ذَرٍّ وَلَمْ يَشْعُرْ فَأَعْرَضَ عَنْهُ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَقَالَ مَا أَعْرَضَكَ عَنِّي إِلا شَيْءٌ بَلَغَكَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ أَنْتَ الَّذِي تُعَيِّرُ بِلالا بِأُمِّهِ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَالَّذِي أَنْزَلَ الْكِتَابَ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ أَوْ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَحْلِفَ مَا لأَحَدٍ عَلَيَّ فَضْلٌ إِلا بِعَمَلٍ إِنْ أَنْتُمْ إِلا كَطَفِّ الصَّاعِ
4760 شعب الإيمان للبيهقي الرابع والثلاثون من شعب الإيمان وهو
307 المحدث الألباني خلاصة حكم المحدث صحيح بغير هذا السياق في غاية المرام
I think Bilal (R.A) might had some features that could distinguish him from the Arabs. Who knows? الله اعلم.
but did they differentiate it in arabic? because I've read things where they use the two interchangeably, such as the story of Luqman (as). some narrations use nubia, some Abyssinia. and not to mention the word sudan means the same thing as ethiopia (land of the black people).
btw don't you guys think it's a bit disrespectful to bilal (ra) to be discussing something as meaningless as whether or not he would be considered black today
VixR
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He was Habeshi kulaha
You could probably determine the roots of his mother depending on where the Bedouins culled their slaves from at the time, but the word Habeshi/a the Ethiopians use is an old word that means Black or rough-haired, and it was used expansively, oftentimes towards the entire continent. The Abyssian borders were different to how they are today, and as today they had nilotic and negroid constituents. To infer Bilal was actually a Ethiopian Habesha of the highlander type we know today requires proof you don't have. He could've been anything.
He was basically part Black slave/part Arab master product like their great Arabian hero 'Antara bin Shadaad. Arabs actually sort of incorporated their slave products into their societies to varying extents, esp if the slave owner of the product was of high stature.
You could probably determine the roots of his mother depending on where the Bedouins culled their slaves from at the time, but the word Habeshi/a the Ethiopians use is an old word that means Black or rough-haired, and it was used expansively, oftentimes towards the entire continent. The Abyssian borders were different to how they are today, and as today they had nilotic and negroid constituents. To infer Bilal was actually a Ethiopian Habesha of the highlander type we know today requires proof you don't have. He could've been anything.
He was basically part Black slave/part Arab master product like their great Arabian hero 'Antara bin Shadaad. Arabs actually sort of incorporated their slave products into their societies to varying extents, esp if the slave owner of the product was of high stature.
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