what do guys think will be the solution to the somaliland-puntland dispute

[Tukraq]

It will end in a referendum of some sort. Somaliland will be a state of Isaaq and Gadabursi if it wants independence. If Harti are a part of Somaliland it will stay a federal state. There is no path towards independence where Dhulbahante and Warsangeli are part of Somaliland. We will give Somaliland independence once it recognizes itself as a state for Dir Waqooyie.

well they should have came out the gate saying that, too late now, issaqs are no longer united themselves, secession won't ever happen

 

[Younes Osman]

well they should have came out the gate saying that, too late now, issaqs are no longer united themselves, secession won't ever happen

Issaqs are defo united

 

[Tukraq]

Issaqs are defo united

if you say so

 

[shum33]

It will end in a referendum of some sort. Somaliland will be a state of Isaaq and Gadabursi if it wants independence. If Harti are a part of Somaliland it will stay a federal state. There is no path towards independence where Dhulbahante and Warsangeli are part of Somaliland. We will give Somaliland independence once it recognizes itself as a state for Dir Waqooyie.

"we will give" another delusional qasoor.give? somaliland is already in control of most of sanaag,no one care who is harti ,the control of the borders is more important and the borders will be maintained ,no one will give independence to sl they'll take it themselves

 

[shum33]

Issaqs are defo united

who said they weren't?

 

[Younes Osman]

who said they weren't?

I was responding to an accusation that the issaq clan is disunified. However, some people dont understand that issaq wa hal .

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

"we will give" another delusional qasoor.give? somaliland is already in control of most of sanaag,no one care who is harti ,the control of the borders is more important and the borders will be maintained ,no one will give independence to sl they'll take it themselves

It has been almost 30 years and not a single state has recognized Somaliland. It is safe to assume that if no state recognized Somaliland in the 20 years of utter chaos in Koonfur, 1991 to 2011, no state is likely to grant recognition now that a central gov is beginning to operate.

Somaliland missed the boat on ictiraaf, but it has not dawned on dimwits like you yet. The only path to ictiraaf now is through mediated negotiations with Mogadishu. And since we have a veto over any such negotiations, the price we will extract in exchange for independence will be Harti land remaining in Somalia. If you remain hard headed, the status quo suits us fine.

 

[shum33]

It has been almost 30 years and not a single state has recognized Somaliland. It is safe to assume that if no state recognized Somaliland in the 20 years of utter chaos in Koonfur, 1991 to 2011, no state is likely to grant recognition now that a central gov is beginning to operate.

Somaliland missed the boat on ictiraaf, but it has not dawned on dimwits like you yet. The only path to ictiraaf now is through mediated negotiations with Mogadishu. And since we have a veto over any such negotiations, the price we will extract in exchange for independence will be Harti land remaining in Somalia. If you remain hard headed, the status quo suits us fine.

what is 30 years in the long run?recognition will come and somaliland WILL become a country,the status quo will change,number one in every list of "new countries likely to form".the central govern, even though it obviously still not an authority in somalia, will not change that goal.
i assume you are from puntland with your harti crap,funny thing your fellow hartis don't want you qasoors,your vote in the central governement is as worthless as your little fish factory pretentious "region",and i garantee this even if we were to GIVE you those harti lands you want so much,dhulos will never allow you to be incharge
but what to expect for naag at this point,talk and role play is all you people have meanwhile we are getting closer and closer to our goals,and we will see how your "harti" claim holds up

 

[shum33]

I was responding to an accusation that the issaq clan is disunified. However, some people dont understand that issaq wa hal .

all isaaqs are united when it comes to somaliland,i just wanted to know what they were saying

 

[TheAnswer]

somaliland is a narcotic cesspool of bitter, rotten-toothed habashi half-breeds. They will not take an inch of Darood land.

 

[Younes Osman]

somaliland is a narcotic cesspool of bitter, rotten-toothed habashi half-breeds. They will not take an inch of Darood land.

Lol

 

[repo]

Somaliland is a corrupt little pseudo state disregarded and ignored by the world. No amount of ass kissing has helped them. I'm fine with the status quo even if they controlled the entirety of the land they claim.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Your logic doesn't make sense. That's like saying the Brits are taking an L because Zimbabwe rules a minority settler of Brits in Zimbabwe. Also Ogaden has been controlling Issaq in the Hawd and massacred them (It's haram and they'll be judged). You only rule a small section of Darood by paying their rent money to their traidors and Darood ruled you with an iron fist during the kacaan era and your controlled by Ogaden in the Hawd. You should be the last one talking and don't use broad terms like "Darood."

Haram kulaha, dont bring the islamic card, was it not haram to attack and kill ONLF boys as Ogaden was busy fighting 110 million habashi and stabbing them in the back during mengustu and zenawi era?

if you cannot take it, you should not have started the war with Ogaden, i fought habahsi and you stabbed me in the back, so killing them is justified,

are we supposed to give you candy and flowers as yall massacred ONLF boys for no reason?

where they not muslims?

puntland and somaliland killed ONLF boys, cabdi iley came t power and took those boys and told them to become border guards on somaliland and putland borders, and guess what? they took revenge and did the same justice to yall, revenge was sweet,


Ogaden has never massacred 1door for no reason, they sided with the habashi, they killed ONLf boys, Ogaden came back and cabdi iley waited till they killed Ogaden soldiers in gashaambo after we arrested an 1door who brought truck of alcohol from 1dooristan, we were patient but wehen they picked up arms, were armed by somaliland and killed ONLF boys we exterminated All in the village, AUN to the innocent, but many were not, they picked up weapons against us only because we confiscated trucks full of beer from hargeysa into Ogadeniya,

yall took a crack at us, stabbed us from behind, as we fought habahsi, you though you scored some points, we came back and did the same much worse, who lost? you, who win? us, dont cry, take it like a man,

1door started it, they asked for it, sided with mangustu against us and sided with zenawi, but their dooqnnimo never saw a world of Ogaden always coming back into power in DDS and controlling it, every president has been Ogaden even after every war, the habashi know no other somali can be DDS president, marginalising |Ogaden is futile, so we get back after a short war with habasbi in 2007-2009 and we took revenge on 1door, they asked for it, they arrested ONLF boys and handed them over and killed many, so when we got a chance we killed as many as we could,

also advise to puntland, be like Ogaden against 1door, be super aggressive, wipe them out, in 1910 the British gave them 10,000 riffles to attack deep inside Ogadeniya, the Ogadens enveloped them and starved them to death, the battle is called Lafa Ruug, 1door ate the bones of their horses and camels, then we massacre them,

every Ogaden president in DDS first thing he does is go to the somaliland/Ogaden border and ship the 1door refugees back to 1door land,

Ogaden has no patience for 1door, they are wild, aggressive and lack deen and have super cuqdad for Saidka and darood, its shoot to kill, we treat them like oromo

this is why the 1door fears Ogaden, harti make peace, are patient, Ogaden shoots the 1door, but he will do so if he gets the chance,

also the hawd is 99% Ogaden and the 1door are just guests,

and stop calling them isaaq, we gave them a name, use it,

kulaha isaaq, what is that?

you act innocent, killing an 1door , the Ogaden discovered centuries ago, is the only way to keep the 1door fearing and respecting you, harti give them too much respect,

why is Harti so pacifist towards 1door horta?,

Ogaden fighting 110 million habashi will make 1door kneel and karbash him and chase him, he doesn't dare to lift a finger, they must know you will go after them 100% and wipe them out,

i know Ogaden is a bigger clan and has the numbers and manpower and lands and resources to counter little 1dooristan, but dhulbahante is divided and has divided harti, but regardless, its no excuse,

but if Ogaden whilst facing 110 million habashi can fight and karbash 1door, so can yall,

it saddens me what doqonki dhulbahante has become, the most useless Somali clan, bending over for 1door and running away from his cousins, waa iska xoolo kuwas

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Nope just a colony, and not an official one at that especially in the disputed regions where they never controlled due to the mad mullah

The Sayid, not the mad mullah, i expected better from you since you are tol, not an 1door? do you have an 1door mother?

are you ciisse muxamuud? since he karbashed them its understandable,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

It's not going to happen. Somalia/Somaliland is a clan based society and the people of Khatumo aka Dhulbahante want nothing to do with Somaliland as they feel more closer to their brothers in Somalia.

Somaliland is an Isaaq separatist project and the people of Khatumo feel like they don't belong into a society where they don't share clan ties. Apparently Warsangeli land is already ruled by Puntland so Somaliland has no control over it despite claiming their land.

The sooner Somaliland stops claiming Dhulbahante and Warsangeli land, the better it is for them and the whole region. Let Dhulbahantes choose their own fate and stop forcing them to join a delusional separatist cult. I'm not a tribalist but just giving their opinions.

why is harti even begging? can you lot not just wipe out the 1door, look at the begging, agah, what is wrong with you bro? no need to beg,

killing an 1door if he attacks you should be the only policy you adopt, since when did harti become so appeasing and begging their enemies?

what happened to you lot?

 

[Tukraq]

The Sayid, not the mad mullah, i expected better from you since you are tol, not an 1door? do you have an 1door mother?

are you ciisse muxamuud? since he karbashed them its understandable,

same thing, mad mullah isn't even a negative name, its a positive that he was the UKs boogeyman

 

[DR OSMAN]

Haram kulaha, dont bring the islamic card, was it not haram to attack and kill ONLF boys as Ogaden was busy fighting 110 million habashi and stabbing them in the back during mengustu and zenawi era?

if you cannot take it, you should not have started the war with Ogaden, i fought habahsi and you stabbed me in the back, so killing them is justified,

are we supposed to give you candy and flowers as yall massacred ONLF boys for no reason?

where they not muslims?

puntland and somaliland killed ONLF boys, cabdi iley came t power and took those boys and told them to become border guards on somaliland and putland borders, and guess what? they took revenge and did the same justice to yall, revenge was sweet,


Ogaden has never massacred 1door for no reason, they sided with the habashi, they killed ONLf boys, Ogaden came back and cabdi iley waited till they killed Ogaden soldiers in gashaambo after we arrested an 1door who brought truck of alcohol from 1dooristan, we were patient but wehen they picked up arms, were armed by somaliland and killed ONLF boys we exterminated All in the village, AUN to the innocent, but many were not, they picked up weapons against us only because we confiscated trucks full of beer from hargeysa into Ogadeniya,

yall took a crack at us, stabbed us from behind, as we fought habahsi, you though you scored some points, we came back and did the same much worse, who lost? you, who win? us, dont cry, take it like a man,

1door started it, they asked for it, sided with mangustu against us and sided with zenawi, but their dooqnnimo never saw a world of Ogaden always coming back into power in DDS and controlling it, every president has been Ogaden even after every war, the habashi know no other somali can be DDS president, marginalising |Ogaden is futile, so we get back after a short war with habasbi in 2007-2009 and we took revenge on 1door, they asked for it, they arrested ONLF boys and handed them over and killed many, so when we got a chance we killed as many as we could,

also advise to puntland, be like Ogaden against 1door, be super aggressive, wipe them out, in 1910 the British gave them 10,000 riffles to attack deep inside Ogadeniya, the Ogadens enveloped them and starved them to death, the battle is called Lafa Ruug, 1door ate the bones of their horses and camels, then we massacre them,

every Ogaden president in DDS first thing he does is go to the somaliland/Ogaden border and ship the 1door refugees back to 1door land,

Ogaden has no patience for 1door, they are wild, aggressive and lack deen and have super cuqdad for Saidka and darood, its shoot to kill, we treat them like oromo

this is why the 1door fears Ogaden, harti make peace, are patient, Ogaden shoots the 1door, but he will do so if he gets the chance,

also the hawd is 99% Ogaden and the 1door are just guests,

and stop calling them isaaq, we gave them a name, use it,

kulaha isaaq, what is that?

you act innocent, killing an 1door , the Ogaden discovered centuries ago, is the only way to keep the 1door fearing and respecting you, harti give them too much respect,

why is Harti so pacifist towards 1door horta?,

Ogaden fighting 110 million habashi will make 1door kneel and karbash him and chase him, he doesn't dare to lift a finger, they must know you will go after them 100% and wipe them out,

i know Ogaden is a bigger clan and has the numbers and manpower and lands and resources to counter little 1dooristan, but dhulbahante is divided and has divided harti, but regardless, its no excuse,

but if Ogaden whilst facing 110 million habashi can fight and karbash 1door, so can yall,

it saddens me what doqonki dhulbahante has become, the most useless Somali clan, bending over for 1door and running away from his cousins, waa iska xoolo kuwas

You spin a bit shit about PL and ONLF handing over. If we don't hand them over, U think Ilay would be happy? they were fighting him and his allies the tigray. The war with ethiopia died after menguistu, those onlf were fighting for other ulterior agendas, possibly politically more power inside DDSI. Plus they were allied with the OLF, like who the f*ck allies with flip flop Oromo? that's like going str8 into the hand of Amhara, infact some ppl suspect ONLF was reporting to Amhara which many believe the OLF/ONLF was just another tool by Amhara to use against TIGRAY and those doqon ogaden bought it hook, line, sinker and hence needed killing off. Amhara was trying to start an uprising on Meles Zenawi and bring back the Amhara days.

They may of cut a deal those ONLF is what PL suspect based on INTEL we have from Ilay. They apparently were going to be given the leadership of DDSI while the tigray allied ogadens were gonna be sat out.

Besides no ONLF was killed in PL that is another lie, none was handed over to Tigray. They were handed to ILAY who did what he wanted with them. But there is no way we hosting anti DDSI rebel group in PL, this could cause backlash for our majerten population in DDSI.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

You spin a bit shit about PL and ONLF handing over. If we don't hand them over, U think Ilay would be happy? they were fighting him and his allies the tigray. The war with ethiopia died after menguistu, those onlf were fighting for other ulterior agendas, possibly politically more power inside DDSI. Plus they were allied with the OLF, like who the f*ck allies with flip flop Oromo? that's like going str8 into the hand of Amhara, infact some ppl suspect ONLF was reporting to Amhara which many believe the OLF/ONLF was just another tool by Amhara to use against TIGRAY and those doqon ogaden bought it hook, line, sinker and hence needed killing off. Amhara was trying to start an uprising on Meles Zenawi and bring back the Amhara days.

They may of cut a deal those ONLF is what PL suspect based on INTEL we have from Ilay. They apparently were going to be given the leadership of DDSI while the tigray allied ogadens were gonna be sat out.

Besides no ONLF was killed in PL that is another lie, none was handed over to Tigray. They were handed to ILAY who did what he wanted with them. But there is no way we hosting anti DDSI rebel group in PL, this could cause backlash for our majerten population in DDSI.

idiot, how am i spinning shit? yall killed it, true, who ever ordered you doesn't matter, they ere killed by both somaliland and putnland even years before iley took over, and in return afterwards we burned down trucks from somaliland and puntland and blocked people from travelling and their imports, but truth still stand, f*ck who ordered you, you did the actions,

and what ulterior motives/ gaining the freedom f their land? d1ckhead, kulaha they had ulterior motives, fock off

doqon jarer osman muxamuud, ONLF created Ginbot 7 and invited ahmaar, gambella, anti zenawi tigra groups, oromo and Eritrean backed groups, we pulled the strings, we controlled them,we created the group and invited them for talks in london and Washington, stop talking out of your ass as usual, first learn and read some facts before you vomit from your semi bantu ass, kulaha ahmaar controlled ONLF, ha,

we created the umbrella ginbot 7 and the olf and anti zenawi tigra groups operated in,


it stopped majority when iley came in, and he rehabilitated them, before iley they ere killed by both puntland and somaliland booty clapping for habashi, i am just saying people should accept when OG did some revenge killing after iley made the same guys border security and gave them carte Blanche to exterminate and burn trucks from both your borders, he gave them a taste of their own medicine,

that ciise muamuud jarer looking faroole did killed them, kulaha they were never killed,

iley sent former ONLF and now liyu police to burn and destroy Mj towns in wardeer in revenge, and burn mj import trucks, he showed them revenge of their own medicine, he also shipped many mj from wardeer to puntland,

dont rewrite history adoonayhow jarer ah,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

same thing, mad mullah isn't even a negative name, its a positive that he was the UKs boogeyman

 

[DR OSMAN]

I feel like executing the harti security pact and march to GODEY and show you xiniyaha HARTI. We will march from northern mudug, nugaal, bari, sanaag, sool, buhodle, wardheer. This is the only way to ensure you know who the boss is in this relationship. CIIDAAN TIME