What is the exact point Somalia took a turn for the worse?

[YoungFarah]

What is the exact point Somalia took a turn for the worse. I think it was when Caydiid went against Ali Mahdi's presidency. If he recognised him Somalia would've been able to have a stable enough government and army if they cooperated with SNM to destroy Morgan and other Siad Barre's cronies and avoid its current fate.

What do you think fucked up Somalia?

 

[Dhay Geel]

I think when people started looting everything was the end of it. After that everyone lost hope.

 

[daacad]

it was when caydiid AUN was released from jail, that man shouldn't have been released

 

[XamarCade]

I think our worst fate was going to war against Ethiopia, the whole world wouldn't allow Ethiopia to get beaten easily by Somalia.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Rebel groups based on qabiil

When the Darood genocide happened

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

When Hawiyes made foolish decision by picking up weapons against Dowradii Barakaysnaa.
If Hawiyes stayed supporting the Kacaan, the uprising in North would be crushed just like Hama Syria in 80's.

 

[XamarCade]

When Hutus made foolish decision by picking up weapons against Dowradii Barakaysnaa.
If Hutus stayed supporting the Kacaan, the uprising in North would be crushed just like Hama Syria in 80's.

Mudane wadani, help us blees

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Mudane wadani, help us blees

Kkkkkkk

I cant help myself.

If i said go make jihad for the sake of country, i would be labled nationalist terrorist. And if i say work with amisomian govt, iam called condom.

 

[Abdalla]

What is the exact point Somalia took a turn for the worse. I think it was when Caydiid went against Ali Mahdi's presidency. If he recognised him Somalia would've been able to have a stable enough government and army if they cooperated with SNM to destroy Morgan and other Siad Barre's cronies and avoid its current fate.

What do you think fucked up Somalia?

So Somalia took a wrong turn when Hawiyes turned on each other and not when hundred thousand people were killed and evicted from their homes?

You proved your qabilism. Stop repping anti tribalist movement.

 

[Ras]

When Somali Sultanates signed protection treaties with the British.

The day they sold our people's future so that they can keep their thrones temporarily.

We easily could held them off for decades since we were all nomadic and didn't rely on large settlements that they could hold on to (apart from the Sultanate fiefdoms).

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

In 1960

 

[captain mali]

I think our worst fate was going to war against Ethiopia, the whole world wouldn't allow Ethiopia to get beaten easily by Somalia.

I believe ITS when crossed our real borders. We to close to addis we should have sticken with our dhool

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

So Somalia took a wrong turn when Hawiyes turned on each other and not when hundred thousand people were killed and evicted from their homes?

You proved your qabilism. Stop repping anti tribalist movement.

They were liberators

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

In our recent history, i'd say the moment Siad barre seized power. He mis-managed the economy & failed to eliminate qabiil. He was a fake nationalist.

 

[Gambar]

So Somalia took a wrong turn when Hawiyes turned on each other and not when hundred thousand people were killed and evicted from their homes?

You proved your qabilism. Stop repping anti tribalist movement.

Anti tribalists are the biggest qabiilists!

 

[Gambar]

In our recent history, i'd say the moment Siad barre seized power. He mis-managed the economy & failed to eliminate qabiil. He was a fake nationalist.

Siad Barre was a very old man suffering from asaasaq by 1986. Qabiil doesn't need to be eliminated. The problem is, the xeer was dismantled and traditional clan mediators and elders were used as props or killed. Also, the Ethiopian war was devastating because of the loss of life, morale, refugees that were placed into Somalia from kilinka shanaad. Siad Barre pissed off his Soviet allies and he no longer had their aid.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Siad Barre was a very old man suffering from asaasaq by 1986. Qabiil doesn't need to be eliminated. The problem is, the xeer was dismantled and traditional clan mediators and elders were used as props or killed. Also, the Ethiopian war was devastating because of the loss of life, morale, refugees that were placed into Somalia from kilinka shanaad. Siad Barre pissed off his Soviet allies and he no longer had their aid.

I agree with most of your points apart from the one on qabiil. In the era of nation-states, how can we as a people still respect qabiils whilst also supporting a unified Somali state? Nationalism & qabiil will inevitably come into conflict. Eliminating qabiil doesn't mean elimination of our history & heritage.

 

[Gambar]

I agree with most of your points apart from the one on qabiil. In the era of nation-states, how can we as a people still respect qabiils whilst also supporting a unified Somali state? Nationalism & qabiil will inevitably come into conflict. Eliminating qabiil doesn't mean elimination of our history & heritage.

Why should qabiil be eliminated? Qabiil is like our social insurance number

 

[XamarCade]

I agree with most of your points apart from the one on qabiil. In the era of nation-states, how can we as a people still respect qabiils whilst also supporting a unified Somali state? Nationalism & qabiil will inevitably come into conflict. Eliminating qabiil doesn't mean elimination of our history & heritage.

Qabiil isn't the problem, it's Qabyaalad that makes ppl say some of the sickest shit to score petty points against another qabiil and this only exacerbates the problem to the point of making ppl go crazy till they eventually destroy the whole nation and would rather befriend the enemy to destroy his own fellow Somali all over "muh qabiil is better than urs"

 

[Tjioux]

When MJs stopped ruling the s