What is the exact point Somalia took a turn for the worse?

[XamarCade]

When MJs stopped ruling the s,

@Gambar u see what I mean

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

In our recent history, i'd say the moment Siad barre seized power. He mis-managed the economy & failed to eliminate qabiil. He was a fake nationalist.

To be honest, I don't think a fake nationalist could rule Somalis for 22 years. Just imagine HSM having 6 terms.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I agree with most of your points apart from the one on qabiil. In the era of nation-states, how can we as a people still respect qabiils whilst also supporting a unified Somali state? Nationalism & qabiil will inevitably come into conflict. Eliminating qabiil doesn't mean elimination of our history & heritage.

People only relied on their tribes after every other institution failed. They don't trust the government more than their tribe, and why should they?

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Why should qabiil be eliminated? Qabiil is like our social insurance number

Personally i've never taken an interest in qabiil. In the modern era, qabiil is an unnecessary form of identification. In my view, If you're Somali then that's all that matters. We all have a common phenotype, language & culture. I'd gladly help a fellow Somali brother/sister financially or in any other way regardless of their clan affiliation. I may sound naive, but my ancestors may have needed qabiil, but i don't & i hope more young Somalis wake up to this reality.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Qabiil isn't the problem, it's Qabyaalad that makes ppl say some of the sickest shit to score petty points against another qabiil and this only exacerbates the problem to the point of making ppl go crazy till they eventually destroy the whole nation and would rather befriend the enemy to destroy his own fellow Somali all over "muh qabiil is better than urs"

Sxb if qabiil is eliminated most of our problems will go with it as well. Our Somali identity should be the only thing that matters. There will be less reasons for unnecessary conflicts between brothers if qabiil is destroyed.

 

[XamarCade]

Sxb if qabiil is eliminated 90% most of our problems will go with it as well. Our Somali identity should be the only thing that matters. There will be less reasons for unnecessary conflicts between brothers if qabiil is destroyed.

I agree with u but let's be realistic, qabiil is here to stay, and qabiil is the last form of protection and trust that ppl fall back on when everything fails

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I agree with u but let's be realistic, qabiil is here to stay, and qabiil is the last form of protection and trust that ppl fall back on when everything fails

 

[YoungFarah]

I think our worst fate was going to war against Ethiopia, the whole world wouldn't allow Ethiopia to get beaten easily by Somalia.

Even after going to war with Ethiopia Somalia could still have functioned well if the USC didn't implode and cooperated with SNM

 

[YoungFarah]

So Somalia took a wrong turn when Hawiyes turned on each other and not when hundred thousand people were killed and evicted from their homes?

You proved your qabilism. Stop repping anti tribalist movement.

Wdym?im talking about when somalia reached the point of no return. If a government was set up the day after Siad barre was ousted things would've been better but caydiid fucked it up. How does that opinion make me a qabilist?

 

[XamarCade]

Even after going to war with Ethiopia Somalia could still have functioned well if the USC didn't implode and cooperated with SNM

Just look at it from this point of view, the civil war effected every Somali and we now know the effects of it, I don't ever see Somalia going back to that ugly history, it's a lesson we all learned from.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

People only relied on their tribes after every other institution failed. They don't trust the government more than their tribe, and why should they?

Sxb you see this is the very problem with Somalis. If Somalis continue to defend qabiil & claim it's more important than gov't then our country will never amount to anything.


For a homogeneous population our current situation is laughable. Qabiil will always trump the state if it's not eliminated. It's either independent Somali states based on qabiil or a fully unified Somali state that has eliminated qabiil. No in between.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Sxb you this is the very problem with Somalis. If Somalis continue to defend qabiil & claim it's more important than gov't then our country will never amount to anything.


For a homogeneous population our current situation is laughable. Qabiil will always trump the state if it's not eliminated.

From the colonial era to the civil war, nobody cared about qabiil.

But after what happened, and all the crimes that has been committed, people have gone back to what they know best.

You cannot expect Somalis to just forget and move on like nothing has happened. It will take another generation at least.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

From the colonial era to the civil war, nobody cared about qabiil.

But after what happened, and all the crimes that has been committed, people have gone back to what they know best.

You cannot expect Somalis to just forget and move on like nothing has happened. It will take another generation at least.

If only Somalis never created the qabiil system in the first place...oh how things could've been so different for our people.


Insha'allah our people will somehow abandon qabiil for good. Cadaans & Asians are exploring space whilst our brethren back home fight over dusty tuulos for qabiil.

 

[Abdalla]

Wdym?im talking about when somalia reached the point of no return. If a government was set up the day after Siad barre was ousted things would've been better but caydiid fucked it up. How does that opinion make me a qabilist?

You're referring to a period after destruction and mayhem already took place. You're subconsciously saying what happened before USC fought each other in 1993 (third year of the civil car) wasn't the lowest point. In the end of 1991/beginning of 1992 there was already a famine in Bay and Bakool regions. But in your mind hawiye fighting each other was a point of no return and the rest was something that could be bridged. Their blood is water and yours is made of gold.

 

[Yahya Liban-Lewis]

Two words............



























Siad Barre

 

[TSP]

When the bus driver hit siad barre

 

[captain mali]

Why should qabiil be eliminated? Qabiil is like our social insurance number

What good comes out of it? Nothing but insulting each other.

 

[Hemaal]

In 1960

Honestly this right here

 

[Axmed Xaji]

I think it's when they came up with xeer instead of personal responsibility and meritocracy. Thousand+ years ago. This system of who-you-know rather than what-you-know is the root cause of all problems.

 

[Axmed Xaji]

What is the exact point Somalia took a turn for the worse. I think it was when Caydiid went against Ali Mahdi's presidency. If he recognised him Somalia would've been able to have a stable enough government and army if they cooperated with SNM to destroy Morgan and other Siad Barre's cronies and avoid its current fate.

What do you think fucked up Somalia?

Clanism fucked it up to begin with and Mohamed Siad Barre's own clanism also fucked it up (disguised as anti-clanism)